3 Attacks + Substitute works pretty well, but there's another one with 3 attacks+rest which plays really well against stall( You dont really need sleep talk like HC mentioned for stall since they cant really hit u with anything hard other than weavile)whats the best set on mega heracross? Also, what makes it good in the current metagame? it used to be quite low on the viability ranking, if I remember correctly.
Gen VI will still be played in the future for tournaments and tours, so this is probably the last chance to change it before Gen VII.What is the point in an OU Suspect test while we get a new generation in this moth?
In addition to what the above poster said, it's not like the tier will just disappear. There will still be games of every type in the tier -- or at least the option of having them. There will be an ORAS OU ladder, an option to challenge ORAS OU for friendly/test games, and, of course, ORAS OU in tournaments ranging from SPL/WCOP to some random Tournaments running in that sub forum depending on the format. Therefore, we want to make the tier the best it possibly can be before it stops being the main generation in a week.What is the point in an OU Suspect test while we get a new generation in this moth?
Honestly I feel that if you can get the setup off then this thing could be really good. You could definitely run Trick Room on it for the most effective set in terms of setup and/or attacking, and running Scald and Psyshock can cover both defensively bulky and specially bulky Mons. And even if you're up against a Mon who's bulky in both aspects, Scald's 30% burn chance will help to wear it down. Overall Slowking is definitely underrated, especially Nasty Plot Slowking, because Bulk + High SpA + Trick Room (Low Speed) = A SetUp Special Sweeper who can stall your opponent's team.whats everyones opinion on nasty plot slowking? i been using it and its actually good. it takes hits from latios, tornadus, diance , medicham , metagross. sweeps teams that struggle with bulky waters and has good offensive presence. i like it a lot
Thank you for that explanation, i didnt think of that. But, without taking a stand on the suspect , isnt it weird if you want to play the oras meta but pokemon that were in the meta the whole time arent available?In addition to what the above poster said, it's not like the tier will just disappear. There will still be games of every type in the tier -- or at least the option of having them. There will be an ORAS OU ladder, an option to challenge ORAS OU for friendly/test games, and, of course, ORAS OU in tournaments ranging from SPL/WCOP to some random Tournaments running in that sub forum depending on the format. Therefore, we want to make the tier the best it possibly can be before it stops being the main generation in a week.
I prefer bulky zard X, twave mega Latias and mega Scizor as win con if I'm using double trapper.rip Mega Sableye, made it to the last day of the generation.
What megas should stall run now? I've been experimenting with Altaria and its ok, not great bulk but good resistances.
I've been messing around with this one Mega Ampharos set and it's been working really well for me. It's basically a one-stop birdspam counter that has uses outside of that. A physically defensive variant at full health actually can't be trapped by Dugtrio without rocks:What megas should stall run now? I've been experimenting with Altaria and its ok, not great bulk but good resistances.
This is the set I've been using:252 Atk Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mega Ampharos: 168-198 (43.7 - 51.5%) -- 8.6% chance to 2HKO
Bulky Charizard X sets have been around for a some time with varying effect, with sets such as the one below, that generally do well against bulkier mons due to a surprise factor of a bulkier set instead of DDance sets. I can theorise that Zard X would do better against Chansey or Mega Venusaur on stall, howevever it lacks the speed boosts from DDance to check Mega Lati, and Quagsire simply sits there with Unaware and practically walls itSo, I am not sure if this would count as being "against the rules", but I want to bring up the point of what stall would become without Mega Sableye. I think Pokemon like Quagsire and Chansey are more stall defining, but according to most people Mega Sableye defines stall. Therefore, I'd like to hear someone else's opinion on this. If Mega Sableye gets banned, people have been saying that Mega Venusaur and Mega Altaria will be the mega evolutions to be used on stall and I agree. But I think maybe a mega like bulky Charizard X or Mega Latias because of their bulk and stall capabilities. Not only that, but they have offensive presence as well so they can take the offensive support slot as well, opening a slot for another stall member. Now, I'd like to hear the opinion of someone else.
I would still say Sableye is the definition of a stall pokemon. Sure it does not represent everything stall teams do(nor does any other pokemon).Stall won't be crippled. The biggest issue with Sab in the context of stall versatility is that it makes the matchup for any non-Sab stall very difficult, which is a big part of why I think non-Sab stall has fallen into obscurity. What I've noticed with my limited suspect ladder playtime is that the way you can structure stall feels a lot more... well, fluid. I made a quick build that springboarded off of Tele stall that featured Mega Slowbro>Mega Sableye and CM Blissey or SR Chansey>Suicune and reworked Dugtrio set, and it's not been half bad. What it has definitely shown me is that non-Sab stall isn't unfeasible or even necessarily bad (further supported by ABR's success with Alt Stall even with Sab on the ladder) and that options are freed up by a large number of factors, including the mega slot no longer being eaten by Sableye, the lack of opposing Sableye to need to spike stack against/reflect your status back at you etc. Right now stall has to actively look for reasons to not use Mega Sableye, and this is not a healthy aspect.
Good stall megas (exc. Sab) include, but aren't limited to, Mega Venusaur, Mega Slowbro, Mega Altaria, Mega Charizard X and a few others.Mega Audino stall anyone?
On the flipside, it does open you up to a number of stallbreakers which were not efficient at stallbreaking before, including but not limited to Taunt Gliscor, Taunt+Wisp Talonflame, Mew, Mega Alakazam and MediSpikes. This means that you will need to approach threat management differently, and stallbreaking will be a different concept to what it is atm.
I can only see the metagame becoming more healthy without Mega Sableye in it tbh, both in the respect that the matchup issues are hurt less due to a large number of stallbreakers no longer being invalidated in one team slot and due to there no longer being something restricting the way that you can build in the respect of stall vs. stall matchup (i.e. ensuring it's not an upward if you lack it), and also in the respect that I think there will just be a wider range of viable options in the same way that banning Aegislash in XY opened up a wider range of options.
Mew, Reuniclus, Cresselia, Mega Slowbro etc. There are plenty of alternative answers to it that aren't Mega Sableye.Is there even a real counter to medicham anymore? I guess if you use regular ole' Sab he isn't an issue still. Goodness this thing can roll through squads at a time now.
Sab being banned only impacted stall's matchup against Medi but now on stall the best ways to counter or check Medicham are Unaware Phys def Clefable, Reuniclus, Mega Slowbro, Shedinja and probably a few more i'm forgetting + Dugtrio can trap non Bullet Punch Medicham if needed.Is there even a real counter to medicham anymore? I guess if you use regular ole' Sab he isn't an issue still. Goodness this thing can roll through squads at a time now.
Is there even a real counter to medicham anymore? I guess if you use regular ole' Sab he isn't an issue still. Goodness this thing can roll through squads at a time now.
Faster Priority as well checks Mega Medicham, such as Talonflame or a mon that runs ESpeedSab being banned only impacted stall's matchup against Medi but now on stall the best ways to counter or check Medicham are Unaware Phys def Clefable, Reuniclus, Mega Slowbro, Shedinja and probably a few more i'm forgetting + Dugtrio can trap non Bullet Punch Medicham if needed.