Um, don't you mean Liechi berries? You don't even really need to count Wynaut, the old lady in Lavaridge gave/gives you an egg that'll hatch into one. (who knows if that will still be a part of it this time?)
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Mirage Island was interesting... I never actually made it there! Wynaut was available through breeding or the egg, and I never really bothered with any berries. I used to go around picking them all, but never ever planted any and barely ever used them in battle...
I never made it there either!
I might as well as join the conversation here.
I'm speaking from direct experience here (I'm italian): in Europe, especially in a country like mine, we have serious gambling problems. Studies, papers and research results give pretty much evidence of what Agonist said. We have an absurdly high percentage of people that waste a fair share of their monthly income in gambling, betting or something. There's a lot of what I might as well as call criminals that have surfaced only to exploit people despair after the big economic crisis. To add insult to the injury, dedicated gambling tv channels have emerged in the last few years, and there's lot of ads encouraging people to bet. Moreover, we have lots of what I could call "state lotteries", that governments allow and sometimes even encourage (one of our last governments clearly went as far as to use lottery incomes as an asset to cover debts) in which people waste a lot of money. It's a compulsion. Combine this with the incredibly high unemployment rate (about 13% as we speak), the fact that the poor people gambling ratio is extremely high, and you have a serious social problem.
I really enjoyed those mini-games when I was a child (777 in BRY to get Porygon!) but it's a safe route taken by GF and Europe. "It is better to prevent a desease that to cure it" Italians say. I won't mind waiting a week if that'll help social welfare. Even if it is only a drop in the ocean.
On a more friendly note, how do you guys believe they'll manage Pokebank? Will they give another free-trial so that anyone can transfer their XY Pokemon effortlessly or not?
I'm speaking from direct experience here (I'm italian): in Europe, especially in a country like mine, we have serious gambling problems. Studies, papers and research results give pretty much evidence of what Agonist said. We have an absurdly high percentage of people that waste a fair share of their monthly income in gambling, betting or something. There's a lot of what I might as well as call criminals that have surfaced only to exploit people despair after the big economic crisis. To add insult to the injury, dedicated gambling tv channels have emerged in the last few years, and there's lot of ads encouraging people to bet. Moreover, we have lots of what I could call "state lotteries", that governments allow and sometimes even encourage (one of our last governments clearly went as far as to use lottery incomes as an asset to cover debts) in which people waste a lot of money. It's a compulsion. Combine this with the incredibly high unemployment rate (about 13% as we speak), the fact that the poor people gambling ratio is extremely high, and you have a serious social problem.
I really enjoyed those mini-games when I was a child (777 in BRY to get Porygon!) but it's a safe route taken by GF and Europe. "It is better to prevent a desease that to cure it" Italians say. I won't mind waiting a week if that'll help social welfare. Even if it is only a drop in the ocean.
On a more friendly note, how do you guys believe they'll manage Pokebank? Will they give another free-trial so that anyone can transfer their XY Pokemon effortlessly or not?
Couldn't the whole game be considered gambling, though? Magical dog-fighting with prize money awarded after every battle to the winner? :/ Loser pays up?
Mirage Island was really only notable for being able to get a Liechi Berry, as Wynaut wasn't hard to get. And with XY being able to mutate Liechi berries easily, there isn't much of a point towards Mirage Island existing... unless they do something else with it.
That's different. In battles, you're having your team to fight after you've trained and travelled with them. You might compare the main plot to an NBA season: you play your fair share of regular games (route guys, grunts and so on), then in the end you have your playoffs (evil team bosses, Elite Four) and your Finals (Champions). The money you earn is a sort of salary you get for your training, as players and coaches are paid every month. You can compare yourself to the Headcoach. Moreover, this is really mitigated by a really friendly plot in which money is NEVER important (have you ever seen a guy, bar bad guys like Team Rocket, talk about making money?), to have high prices you need to work and battle a lot or search for rare things and sell them. There's never been a character that comes out of the blue and "hey, you know what? Beat that guy and I'll give you a million Pokedollars!"
Throwing your money out of the window to see if Voltorb connects is a whole different story. I never had a problem with that, but I can see when they're coming from.
I still see no connections between desperate (and not educated in math and statistics) people throwing their money away and a videogame aimed to children that happens to have a randomized mini-game. Hell the pokemon Trading Card Game is closer to real gambling than the Game Corner and it's still seen as perfectly fine.
Not to be a prick, but the country you mentioned has far greater issues to deal with than attempt to "educate" kids with censorship, so this sounds like a case of skewed priorities, desperation, or both.
If anything kids who are exposed to videogame gambling tend to learn from a young age how the basics of statistics work (most of us realized that the best way to grind in the Game Corner was spamming the E4 for money and just buy the coins, because the mini-game itself wasn't worth the risk) and how the RNG tends to always screw you over. I for a fact can say that after experiencing several videogames with gambling-like activities (so it's not just limited to Pokemon's Game Corner, but I'm speaking about most randomized mini-games) I have developed a distaste for real gambling because I would never bet my money on something that I have no control over and where the odds are decidedly stacked against me. From my point of view removing this mini-game does absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.
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That...would be a huge dick move on GF's part considering how incredibly rare it was to even be able to go there. I'd think that if anything, it would be left in as just a novelty.
Though now I wonder how the Mega Bangle will be powered up to find the Mega Stones in ORAS for the post game, if they'll even go that route at all?
I think the expectation we all have, based on game releases in the past is that these new games will be treated as part of (or the second half of) Gen VI games. Part of that expectation is that they'll be fully compatible with XY (The main reason we've debated a lot over whether new moves/ abilities/ items and so on are a possibility in these new games, since historically nothing like that gets added in the middle of the gen for the sake of compatibility)
Anyway the point is that you shouldn't need Pokbank to trade things between XY and ORAS. Pokebank (and Poke Transfer if you really count it as a separate app) as it is will almost definitely communicate with ORAS games just fine. So you can transfer you're Pokemon directly from old gens to ORAS. or store your ORAS pokes in Pokebank. Or even transfer Pokemon from your X to you Alpha Sapphire without needing to borrow your friend's 3DS to trade them.
Pokebank lets you create a collection of Pokemon outside of a specific game that is also linked to you Nintendo Network ID. So it is, in a lot of ways, the closest thing to your actual official "trainer card" so to speak, since you basically register it with Nintendo. Because Pokebank acts like this pool outside of any given Pokemon game (and because they make us pay for it) I imagine it will be the standard for inter-gen transfer moving forward. It would let you easily drop pokemon from any gen V+ into one pool and then let you extract them into whatever other gen or specific game cartridge you want them in (as long as the pokemon exists in said gen) There might be another free trial for it, but I kind of doubt it.
As for this whole gambling issue.... arguing about it won't really do anything productive unless you're gonna argue to the people who localize the game in various places. My own two cents though: The game corner as it was originally made in RBY is straight up all about actual real life gambling (it's inspired by Pachinko) The Gamme Corner sort of non-glorified in that shady way were team rocket even builds their hide out in the sleazy gambling joint. Whether or not you think it influences children or whether or not you think removing it would actually help a child avoid gambling issues in the future, or even whether or not playing gambling simulators turns you off to gambling is all one thing. But aside from the fact that you aren't playing with real money the game corner is (straight up inspired by and) about as close to gambling as fake gambling gets. Buying a pack of cards isn't gambling because you're guaranteed a return on the value money you put in... a pack of cards. They just might not be the specific ones you want but you still got what you paid for. If a kid has an issue with buying too many cards it's a spending issue. If someone is actually trying to make money off of games chance (and is obviously losing their money instead) then it's a gambling issue.
(lol btw if you read that Pachinko link and then think about Japan's gambling laws and how you exchange coins for porygon or whatever at a building just outside the game corner it makes you laugh)
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Well, I don't feel having a Megastone hidden at Mirage Island is any worse than event exclusive legendaries for example. I have been on Mirage Island multiple times, so I don't feel it's that rare. Could be I was lucky, but still.
Never been to Mirage Island, and it seems a few others here haven't either, so you probably possess incredible luck. Still, the Mega Stone in X and Y weren't exactly hard to find once you understood what time and where in general you were supposed to be looking for them, so I don't see GF wanting to put one in a place most players will go through their entire play through never being able to visit.
But I'm also curious as to if the Mega Stones for the Hoenn starters you didn't pick will be available somehow. Would kind of suck going through the entire game with Treecko and not being able to experience Mega Swampert in the post game.
But I'm also curious as to if the Mega Stones for the Hoenn starters you didn't pick will be available somehow. Would kind of suck going through the entire game with Treecko and not being able to experience Mega Swampert in the post game.
Hoenn doesn't have one of those giant "Mega Stone Clocks" in it. So I wonder if Mega Stones will even be as dumb to find at all. They might just be treated more like regular items, or there may be some other mechanic that makes them "find-able' post game when they hadn't been before. Something that also doesn't limit you to a random 1 hour period.
It's not like anyone can say for certain but since Blastoisnite, Venusaurite and (your version's) Charzardite could all be obtained post game I imagine same goes for Swampert Sceptile and Blazekin.
Yeah I know we have bigger problems, that's not the point here, we can agree on that. In fact, we are the country of contradictions. We cannot stand a little minigame in a videogame meant to be focused on something completely different but having loads of pubs with slot-machines is perfectly fine in the majority of the country. But I absolutely loath gambling as it is a real problem. As you've mentioned, we have "far greater problems", and one of those are mobsters. As a matter of fact, mobsters often use gambling places and machines to recycle illegal money they get from their outlaw activities. People not paying taxes and working irregularly hide their money in that grey gambling area too. Do you know that we have like a 27% irregular GDP/regular GDP ratio? And gambling aids those people in hiding their money, encouraging them to continue to do so, avoiding taxes, shouldering it on the good and honest people like myself and my family. Mafia is a cancer and yet gambling helps her. So yes, gambling is a huge problem here. I absolutely hate it and every measure against it is more than welcome. That's why I said "a drop in the ocean" and where I agree with you. Seriously, fuck gambling.
Coming back to the games, I have absolutely no problem with that, as I'm 24, I'm old as fuck, and postgraduated in Economics, an I only play because this is (by far) the best battling and strategic game ever created, so I know what's right and what's wrong, especially about money. But think about this: I don't wanna see a kid in my suburb that's playing ORAS and hear him saying to his friends: "hey, I've just beaten the E4, let's go play 777 with this money to get a TM!", because that's what a couple of friends and myself did when we were like 10 in RBY. We wasted hours, and I mean 2-3 consecutive hours, to gamble, cause we had money and was easier (and I admit funnier) than going to catch the freaking Schyter in the Safari Zone. I don't want them to do as we did, because now I understand how it translates in real life. It's the same as saying "let's waste 50 euros because I earn 1500, and let's put them on AC Milan beating Barcelona tonight." Yeah, we learnt that paying 10000 for 500 coins, if I recall correctly, was the quickest way to get to 9999, that's basically only a change of currency to purchase something, nothing wrong about that. But that doesn't change the fact that you could walk a couple of steps down and "let's waste some money, I'm rich", that's flat out wrong. EDIT: I especially hate, now that I think about it, that we had people gifting you coins encouraging you to gamble. One of the basics of education is that "you imitate what you see" and people developing videogames adressed to the childhood market should always think about that.
I understand that "From my point of view removing this mini-game does absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things", we all agree on that, there should be waaay better and heavier measures taken, but it's better than it being here.
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Also, ah...
... am I the only one who doesn't actually care for the Game Corner at all? Like... I don't know, it was always a pain to me. The games were uninteresting and I was completely drawn away by the fact that you could LOSE coins there - maybe this is a good indication of how I'll do in real life - and I always ended up grinding for money and buying coins to exchange for the rare Pokémon and TMs. It was really just a pain in the ass.
... am I the only one who doesn't actually care for the Game Corner at all? Like... I don't know, it was always a pain to me. The games were uninteresting and I was completely drawn away by the fact that you could LOSE coins there - maybe this is a good indication of how I'll do in real life - and I always ended up grinding for money and buying coins to exchange for the rare Pokémon and TMs. It was really just a pain in the ass.
Toss a legendary on the island that is semi-unique similar to friend safari's. Maybe even give it its hidden ability.
/thingsthatwillneverhappenbutshould
I agreed that Pokeathlon was better than contests, but since neither were necessary to play the game, I mostly ignored them both. The game corner however was laughable because you could save and restart if you lose too much, so while it was a pain for the time, it was still worth it.
I never cared for the slots themselves, I mean, I would play them occasionally, but I very rarely played for my prizes, preferring to buy the coins instead; it was kind of like a currency conversion, now that I think about it. Anyway, while it is annoying that they are allowing politics into the games, it's something that can be kind of ignored. I was more irritated that Voltorb Flip didn't allow for the conversion, to be honest.
Also, forget receiving our starters' mega stones from Steven, a surprise visit from Sycamore, or even Birch. Watch us get them with that free doll that's given away in the game corner, and watch the other two come with their respective dolls over the counter. I think I'll just laugh if that actually happens...
Also, forget receiving our starters' mega stones from Steven, a surprise visit from Sycamore, or even Birch. Watch us get them with that free doll that's given away in the game corner, and watch the other two come with their respective dolls over the counter. I think I'll just laugh if that actually happens...
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They could always add a legendary that no one knew existed. Remember that ice wolf based off Fenrir that was rumored to be in XY? Still, would be nice to see some usage out of the island, and maybe an easier way of getting there. Though I am hoping more for a special mega stone or just something we've never been able to get before. I am still wondering what the strange souvenir does...
I'd personally like to see a lone Manaphy egg on the beach of Mirage Island. Rare, valuable, and the first instance of getting it in-game.
Something else I'd really like to see is a coral reef environment utilizing the Dive mechanic. It'd be located either east of Lilycove or south of Mossdeep. Just picture it, a colorful hotspot of biodiversity consisting of pokemon like Lanturn, Corsola, Gorebyss and Skrelp (Ruby), Huntail and Clauncher (Sapphire), Seadra, and the rare Relicanth. A perfect opportunity to diversify the seafloor.
As for Europe's delayed release date, that sucks but they shouldn't have leaked XY so far in advance when there was a clear effort to make it a worldwide release. Time they got their just desserts.
Something else I'd really like to see is a coral reef environment utilizing the Dive mechanic. It'd be located either east of Lilycove or south of Mossdeep. Just picture it, a colorful hotspot of biodiversity consisting of pokemon like Lanturn, Corsola, Gorebyss and Skrelp (Ruby), Huntail and Clauncher (Sapphire), Seadra, and the rare Relicanth. A perfect opportunity to diversify the seafloor.
As for Europe's delayed release date, that sucks but they shouldn't have leaked XY so far in advance when there was a clear effort to make it a worldwide release. Time they got their just desserts.
You do know that just a small amount of people leaked it, who then ruined it for everyone including other people from Europe. So saying it's Europe's fault is just plain wrong, because you are essentially boxing everyone in Europe together. While most of us had nothing to do with it.
You know... for me, this brings up the question if the "Legendary guaranteed 3IV" thing counts if the Pokémon's hatched. Don't cite Phione as an example; it's legend status is disputed.
I really, really hope that they don't put anything too important on that island. There's a reason that shiny Pokémon are just colored differently and aren't any better in battle: if they were, it would be much, much harder to get a 'perfect Pokémon.' Mirage Island is even rarer to find than a shiny. There are a few things that I would be fine with seeing from it:
1) A special berry of some kind with some good use outside of battling.
2) Replaced with an easily-accessible area that gains more amenities the more Pokémon with distinct OTs that you own (like Black City/White Forest).
Unfortunately, Manaphy will probably not have the guaranteed 3IVs, because it only applies to Pokémon in the "Undiscovered" egg group rather than legendaries in general. For example, Nidorina has a guaranteed 3IVs. It's always possible that they do something special for it, though...
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