So we only counter "standard" sets now?? Just because he isn't using a set doesn't mean he can't use it.
Don't we ALWAYS use the standard sets for these kinds of arguments? <,<
So we only counter "standard" sets now?? Just because he isn't using a set doesn't mean he can't use it.
Don't we ALWAYS use the standard sets for these kinds of arguments? <,<
Don't we ALWAYS use the standard sets for these kinds of arguments? <,<
Some people can get close minded but Id imagine arguing with standard sets only.. but as for the metagame analysis right now, stall is just dominating even more than the last round.
Specs...yeah, Blissey can totally not wall that.Okay, perhaps I'm misunderstanding how we determine whether or not we vote to ban something. I was under the impression that if a pokemon had a set (no matter how common or uncommon that set is) that couldn't be countered, then it was determined to be unhealthy for the metagame and was sent to voting.
except when the only reason that set is uncommon is because it sucks
and your sets aren't "uncounterable"; people just switch in checks to regular deo-s first and get surprised by a gimmick. good job.
edit: ok i'll copy ningildo and say why your sets suck:
specs: lol wtf does this achieve that lo doesn't? exactly.
twave deo-s: lol. seriously? most deo-s checks don't even care about t-wave anyway -__________- i guess jirachi does but even then it's not like you actually do anything to it...
cm: yes, i'm sure using cm is effective especially since you can't run cm/ hp fire/ t-bolt / ice beam/ super power / psychic like you want to
Just because something is uncommon it doesn't mean it sucks. It just means it's uncommon. If someone is stupid enough to switch into my set, more power to me. We'll just have more broken pokemon in OU.
Going back to the Metagross thing, nkululeko, Metagross tanks a Gliscor EQ easily, meaning the 2HKO is not a problem. And did you honestly think I was talking about Hone Claws on the CB set? lol
You say Conk is better than Gross as a bulky attacker but zero explanation why. Wanna try again?
It is unpredictable argument for ban detected.Just because something is uncommon it doesn't mean it sucks. It just means it's uncommon. If someone is stupid enough to switch into my set, more power to me. We'll just have more broken pokemon in OU.
It is unpredictable argument for ban detected.
Now before you go there, never use the argument of unpredictability.
A shitload of pokemon are unpredictable:
Terakion: It can be Band, Scarf, Double Booster.
Tyranitar: DD, Special tank, Scarf, Band, Mixed.
Dnite: SubDD, SubRoost, DDlum, Mixed.
etc
And these are just a few examples. However, there is also a fine line between being unpredictable and just surprising people with gimmick sets.
But, sadly, that surprise is a one time use.
The moment they see what it is, they are going to rofl and then proceed to make mincemeat out of the pokemon.
Just saying. And this time, read what people post instead of "I'm right, you're wrong HURR DURR". Please, I hate sounding salty, I really do.
It is unpredictable argument for ban detected.
Now before you go there, never use the argument of unpredictability.
A shitload of pokemon are unpredictable:
Terakion: It can be Band, Scarf, Double Booster.
Tyranitar: DD, Special tank, Scarf, Band, Mixed.
Dnite: SubDD, SubRoost, DDlum, Mixed.
etc
And these are just a few examples. However, there is also a fine line between being unpredictable and just surprising people with gimmick sets.
But, sadly, that surprise is a one time use.
The moment they see what it is, they are going to rofl and then proceed to make mincemeat out of the pokemon.
Just saying. And this time, read what people post instead of "I'm right, you're wrong HURR DURR". Please, I hate sounding salty, I really do.
Also, how is Mew still OU?
Metagross is fast enough to actually out-speed those slow walls, it's bulkier than Conk, and it has more power behind its attacks. Not to mention, Metagross is way harder to wall (because he has way better coverage options- Ice Punch, ThunderPunch, etc.).Better offensive typing, access to Bulk Up and Drain Punch. 'Nuff said.
But the thing is, the second a Gliscor sees you use Work Up, it's gonna run for the hills, because an HP Ice is so obvious. Mienshao does a Gliscor lure way better IMO (it's still a little predictable, but it's not half as obvious as Work Up Terrakion).Just posting to say that Work Up Terakion (I shit you not, 252 Att/252 Spe Naive) works as a great lure for Gliscor. +1 HP Ice OHKOs without rocks, thus making a Crunch/Bullet Punch SD Lucario sweep that much easier.
hmm, what can spin these days without Excadrill roaming around? Starmie seems to be a good choice, but it's not really what a water-type needs to be these days (sponging hits from the likes of Gliscor, Heatran, and MixTar). Sure it's got a ton of power, coverage, and speed, you will probably need to fit in another water-type or something to fill the role. Maybe that's not so bad but with all of the Latios, Haxorus, and other things that smash waters to high heaven it sure very good!
Even though I harp about Starmie lacking things that water-types need, it's really a fantastic Pokemon if you run a more fast paced team. I love Hydro Pump / Recover / Rapid Spin / Psyshock @ Life Orb. Psychock finally gives Starmie a way to be able to hit everything neutrally in 1 move so that it can use Recover and Rapid Spin on the same set. Hits Waters, Grasses, Blissey, pretty much everything, hard. Great revenge killer to Terrakion, Virizion, and pretty much everything below 361 speed. Recover lets it stick around against Heatran, Gliscor, etc. Just don't plan on it being as sturdy a check to those two as, say, Gyarados or Suicune.
Lastly, Choice Band Terrakion is a monster. Plain and simple. It tears the entire metagame up. Even Gliscor is felled by 2 Stone Edges with Stealth Rock and a bit of prior damage. Even so, it can't OHKO with Earthquake. Seriously, try it NOW. Pair it with Spikes as well and pretty much every time it comes in, you will get an OHKO. It does crazy stuff like OHKOing Rotom-W, doing 70%+ to Landorus and Latios and OHKOing Tornadus (and previously Thundurus) with SR support, 2HKOing Skarmory, and OHKOing many specially defensive Jirachi and all Scizor with just SR support (not needed for Scizor). Use it now.
But the thing is, the second a Gliscor sees you use Work Up, it's gonna run for the hills, because an HP Ice is so obvious. Mienshao does a Gliscor lure way better IMO (it's still a little predictable, but it's not half as obvious as Work Up Terrakion).
Speaking of which, I haven't used Mienshao in a long time. Has anyone used him recently? How's he doing?
Really?Actually, people mostly just go LOL NOOB YOU FORGOT SWORDS DANCE when they see Work Up.
Is Mienshao UU now? I didn't think it dropped...tomtom5858 said:Mienshao, I believe, has joined the viable-in-OU-but-in-UU club. Whenever I use him though, he's sex; no one has prepared for the Spanish Swords Dance Mienshao Inquisition. Seriously, that HJK is 10 BP and 15 Base Attack off Jolly Lucario's Close Combat, and we veterans of Gen4 know how destructive THAT is.