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Normal types- as strong as Whitney's miltank (and then some)
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Well, Biabrel is defenitely better than some Pokemon you put on the list... Purugly is weak, frail, and isn't that great overall while Wigglytuff faces a lot of competition from Lickilicky; it's not even that bulky. Thanks to simple, Biabrel gets a +2/+2 boost in attack/defense making it pretty effective at sweeping late game. It's a shame it doesn't get Aqua Jet, though.
Anyways, I think we should focus on talking about the Normal-types who are already on the list rather than naming other ones. What are some good sets? How are they useful in NU? How do you beat them?
I'd contribute more to this topic, but I still don't have access to PO, so testing is kind of hard. I asked a few people on the #neverused channel for battles on Pokemon Showdown, and in them I tested a few Normal-types. They worked out pretty well, and I was really impressed by Guts Ursaring. It's very powerful and its bulk isn't bad either. Its speed isn't even that bad, but, it does struggle against more offensive teams.
Anyways, I think we should focus on talking about the Normal-types who are already on the list rather than naming other ones. What are some good sets? How are they useful in NU? How do you beat them?
I'd contribute more to this topic, but I still don't have access to PO, so testing is kind of hard. I asked a few people on the #neverused channel for battles on Pokemon Showdown, and in them I tested a few Normal-types. They worked out pretty well, and I was really impressed by Guts Ursaring. It's very powerful and its bulk isn't bad either. Its speed isn't even that bad, but, it does struggle against more offensive teams.
Well DTC, my purpose in picking Wigglytuff and Purugly is that while I would never recommend them, I could see WHY it is possible that their strengths would make them good fits for your team. I don't think Curse Bibarel would be any good since it's still susceptible to status, strong Grass or Electric attacks (or even a Magmortar Focus Blast), and in general isn't going to sweep anybody. Curse + Amnesia is far too gimmicky to ever pull of properly. If you're using Unaware, then you're just using a crappier Quagsire.
EDIT: @Above; sounds pretty gimmicky but I kind of like the idea. If you could just get Mummy on something using weak physical moves, like a Leafeon or an Alomomola or whatever, Slaking can switch in and use Pursuit, guaranteeing that he'd lose Truant. From there he's just an absolute monster!
EDIT: @Above; sounds pretty gimmicky but I kind of like the idea. If you could just get Mummy on something using weak physical moves, like a Leafeon or an Alomomola or whatever, Slaking can switch in and use Pursuit, guaranteeing that he'd lose Truant. From there he's just an absolute monster!
Unfortunately, this strategy is very predictable and easily avoidable. All one would have to do is switch to a physical wall on the same turn slaking comes in and it will never work. There also is the problem of eviolite yamask having no recovery outside of rest and still not having impressive bulk for an eviolite user (38/85/65 is bad even in nu)
You've totally under estimated Exploud. It has 91/91/68 offenses which are fairly mediocre but with a scarf it's faster than Swellow.
It's got a massive movepool and can easily go mixed. Its movepool filled with high power moves which lets it hit hard even with its limited attacking stats. Overheat / Fire Blast / Flamthrower, Blizzard / Ice Beam, Surf, Shadow Ball and Focus Blast are on the special side.
On the physical side it has Return / Frustration (Duh.) for STAB and Brick Break / Hammer Arm / Low Kick and Circle Throw as fighting moves along with Earthquake, Avalanche, Crunch, Zen Headbutt, and Ice / Fire / Thunder Punch for coverage.
It's only unique support options are Taunt and Torment though and it lacks any decent sort of boosting move outside of work up. Its defenses are only have 104/63/63 but its an interesting Pokemon with a niche. Its massive movepool and easy ability to go mixed differentiate it from the other Normals in NU
It's got a massive movepool and can easily go mixed. Its movepool filled with high power moves which lets it hit hard even with its limited attacking stats. Overheat / Fire Blast / Flamthrower, Blizzard / Ice Beam, Surf, Shadow Ball and Focus Blast are on the special side.
On the physical side it has Return / Frustration (Duh.) for STAB and Brick Break / Hammer Arm / Low Kick and Circle Throw as fighting moves along with Earthquake, Avalanche, Crunch, Zen Headbutt, and Ice / Fire / Thunder Punch for coverage.
It's only unique support options are Taunt and Torment though and it lacks any decent sort of boosting move outside of work up. Its defenses are only have 104/63/63 but its an interesting Pokemon with a niche. Its massive movepool and easy ability to go mixed differentiate it from the other Normals in NU
What Exploud has over other Pokémon (other than what you said), is a workable Special Attack, coupled with the powerful Hyper Voice. This means it can use a Choice Specs set with many powerful moves such as Hyper Voice, Surf, Fire Blast, Overheat, Ice Beam, Shadow Ball, and Focus Blast. Even Extrasensory for Fighting-types, and SolarBeam in sun. It also has Work Up, with the option of going mixed, using its base 91 offenses. Also, when Scrappy is released, it can pretty much spam Hyper Voice all day. A special Scrappy user.
A friend of mine was infamous on PO for "popularizing" a Chople CounterCoat Wigglytuff anti-lead, with Magic Coat to give support moves like hazards and status the middle finger. (Watched it get OHKOed by a Breloom's naked Focus Punch once. It was hysterical.) Then again, this guy dedicates himself to going against the metagame at every possible opportunity. What's worse, this guy tried to teach me how to play, and I dare say that he poisoned my ability to use any one strategy because I'm scared to death of gimmicks.
Why not just use a Focus Sash if you've countercoating as a lead?
Even with that special attack stat (and impressive special movepool) his speed is far too disappointing to achieve anything. He gets revenged by an Absol, not via Sucker Punch but by NIGHT SLASH. He's outsped by Samurott, he's probably outsped by Mesprit, and any self-respecting special wall can wall him without problem. Other special sweepers in the tier (Magmortar, Gorebyss, Mesprit) have ways of getting past pink blobs, something Exploud just cannot do.
Y'know, that's (probably) Exploud's best set. Other than Work Up, it can't do anything else, but you don't seem to see it. And with its bulk, Absol needs a boost or a critical hit to KO with Night Slash.
Adamant 252 Atk Life Orb Absol Night Slash vs. 252/0 Exploud 57.76 - 68.44%
Adamant 252 Atk Life Orb Absol Sucker Punch vs. 252/0 Exploud 65.77 - 77.91%
You need to use Superpower to kill Exploud right away.
Do you want to get past special walls? Sure, hammer down Cryogonal with Hammer Arm. No reason to stay in on Lickilicky anyways, and Camerupt is run down by Surf.
Quiet 0 Atk Choice Specs Exploud Hammer Arm vs. 252/0 Cryogonal 93.6 - 110.46%
A little investment in Attack and you're set. Sure, it's not the best Pokémon in the world, but you're underestimating Exploud.
Adamant 252 Atk Life Orb Absol Night Slash vs. 252/0 Exploud 57.76 - 68.44%
Adamant 252 Atk Life Orb Absol Sucker Punch vs. 252/0 Exploud 65.77 - 77.91%
You need to use Superpower to kill Exploud right away.
Do you want to get past special walls? Sure, hammer down Cryogonal with Hammer Arm. No reason to stay in on Lickilicky anyways, and Camerupt is run down by Surf.
Quiet 0 Atk Choice Specs Exploud Hammer Arm vs. 252/0 Cryogonal 93.6 - 110.46%
A little investment in Attack and you're set. Sure, it's not the best Pokémon in the world, but you're underestimating Exploud.
Probably had max HP invested to counter that effect, plus Fake Out would break said sash, and he wouldn't even get to Counter due to the auto-flinch. He knows what he's doing, he's just hellbent on using stuff nobody else dares to even consider.
Exploud is underrated in my opinion. Sure is not the best special attacker in NU, but it has some special traits. First off, it has Soundproof. It doesn't look like much, but is probably the best BP receiver in NU thanks to his expansive special and physical movepool (hell, it has the BEST attacking movepool in NU even with the lack of boosting), it has good bulk (104 HP), one of the best mixed attacking stats (91/91) and again, his movepool is really impressive and is so impredictable. You can't bring cryogonal in because of the fear of a physical set. You cannot bring something like alomomola neither because if it's special it gets 2hkoed. And a large etc.
Agreed on Exploud. After seeing it here I used it as a recipient of spA boosts and it does work. Its movepool is great.
Tbh I was really surprised theres this many normal types that are viable in NU. It makes me want to use a mono normal team but sawk, gurdurr and throh all say hello .-.
Tbh I was really surprised theres this many normal types that are viable in NU. It makes me want to use a mono normal team but sawk, gurdurr and throh all say hello .-.
Normal-centric teams would are incredibly good: just make sure you can break through Regirock and co... by utilizing stuff like Smash Gorebyss, Sub Marowak, etc, you either force them to sack their rock and give away their only counter, or sack something else over and over again. After that, you just need a solid defensive pivot like Mesprit that can just take a few hits from Scarfers, especially Scarf Sawk, and you're all set to go.
Kangashkan is definitely the best. That thing has good move access and, while not having the best stats ever, can outspeed most of the things in the tier, as well as sucker punch many of the pyschic types there.
I always thought kanga woked best with life orb due to it movepool but I prefer double edge over return. with LO the damage can make a difference, and khang's big hp stat usually prevents itself from getting recoiled into death.
I always thought kanga woked best with life orb due to it movepool but I prefer double edge over return. with LO the damage can make a difference, and khang's big hp stat usually prevents itself from getting recoiled into death.
Yeah Kanga is a bitch to try to wall thanks to Scrappy while Sucker Punch makes revenging it trickier than it ought to be.
I also want to say that Lickilicky is 100% for real. Being walled by things that usually wall Normals? Its insane movepool and decent offensive stats suggest otherwise. It is a beast both offensively and defensively and very underrated.
I also want to say that Lickilicky is 100% for real. Being walled by things that usually wall Normals? Its insane movepool and decent offensive stats suggest otherwise. It is a beast both offensively and defensively and very underrated.
Noluck, You might want to clarify that (I assume) you are talking about SD licky in particular, as defensive licyi is everywhere (deservedly so of course) and undubitably not "very underrated"
that said, I have been meaning to test SD licky, the sheer surprise value in addition to his great bulk and coverage intrigues me somewhat.
that said, I have been meaning to test SD licky, the sheer surprise value in addition to his great bulk and coverage intrigues me somewhat.
It has great offensive coverage options and huge bulk combine to make it hard nut to face, although it's not fast enough to mount a sweep but it is a very good wall breaker in NU. Compared with other wall-breakers in the tier it is more unpredictable and a hell of a lot harder to take down without strong Fighting STAB. Its bulk helps it leave dents in opponents' offensive cores because it will often survive revenge attempts.
Power Whip, Earthquake, Aqua Tail and Focus Punch are a taste of the high powered physical coverage it enjoys, while it has a near perfect special movepool with the likes of Fire Blast, Focus Blast, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt and Shadow Ball. I like to think of him as a fat Magmortar! That thought alone is enough to send me running for the hills... Lickilicky's offensive capabilities deserve attention imo!
Power Whip, Earthquake, Aqua Tail and Focus Punch are a taste of the high powered physical coverage it enjoys, while it has a near perfect special movepool with the likes of Fire Blast, Focus Blast, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt and Shadow Ball. I like to think of him as a fat Magmortar! That thought alone is enough to send me running for the hills... Lickilicky's offensive capabilities deserve attention imo!
It's literally impossible to wall Subpunch Kanga. About the only thing I've seen that can wall it is Evolite Tangela with Giga Drain.
Fighting/Normal with Scrappy is only resisted by Shedinja. He dies to Sucker Punch. Having two unresisted 150+ power moves is amazing, especially when you can grab subs so easily.