Sports NBA Thread: 2023-2024 Season

I for the life of me can't understand why the Hawks decided not to draft the better player at #1 (Sarr).

Excited to see who the Mavs draft at 58.

OG for 40 million a year (5 years) is robbery for a good defensive player with no All-Star to show for...insane money and I was a big fan of the Bridges trade but this made me LOL hard at the Knicks.
 
as concerns lebron james the human being, cool for him that he gets to play and train with his son at the highest level, that’s a pretty powerful and unique experience. if i were his son idk if id like the arrangement, but if lbjjr does, good for him in the same way

as concerns lebron james the quasi-gm and the los angeles lakers organization, lol

E: i assume post above me got wiped lol
 
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I for the life of me can't understand why the Hawks decided not to draft the better player at #1 (Sarr).
From what I’ve gathered, the decision had something to do with Sarr himself declining to visit the Hawks on a private visit.
 
From what I’ve gathered, the decision had something to do with Sarr himself declining to visit the Hawks on a private visit.

This is my assumption as well, but idk why he'd decline Hawks seem like the better org than Wizards.
 
So, I have some thoughts on Klay Thompson.

Understandably, he is frustrated with the Warriors for not feeling like a priority. Leaving makes sense. But why the Mavericks in particular?

He's played in a high IQ, constant motion offense with tons of passing since he was basically drafted; playing off the ball with Curry, the best shooter in history, and Green, probably the best screener and passer.

Now suddenly change that into the Luka world. It's the exact opposite. There's a lot more isos, and you're playing off less capable shooters for now. The passing and pacing is going to be so radically different and Thompson is already on the downturn in his ability to shoot.

I could just be a pessimistic about his adjustment. He's talented enough to at least just make threes and get them however he can. I only wonder how good he is without Curry and Green. Can he find shots between Kyrie and Luka?
 
So, I have some thoughts on Klay Thompson.

Understandably, he is frustrated with the Warriors for not feeling like a priority. Leaving makes sense. But why the Mavericks in particular?

He's played in a high IQ, constant motion offense with tons of passing since he was basically drafted; playing off the ball with Curry, the best shooter in history, and Green, probably the best screener and passer.

Now suddenly change that into the Luka world. It's the exact opposite. There's a lot more isos, and you're playing off less capable shooters for now. The passing and pacing is going to be so radically different and Thompson is already on the downturn in his ability to shoot.

I could just be a pessimistic about his adjustment. He's talented enough to at least just make threes and get them however he can. I only wonder how good he is without Curry and Green. Can he find shots between Kyrie and Luka?
Maybe he's just trying to get one last ring wherever possible?
 
So, I have some thoughts on Klay Thompson.

Understandably, he is frustrated with the Warriors for not feeling like a priority. Leaving makes sense. But why the Mavericks in particular?

He's played in a high IQ, constant motion offense with tons of passing since he was basically drafted; playing off the ball with Curry, the best shooter in history, and Green, probably the best screener and passer.

Now suddenly change that into the Luka world. It's the exact opposite. There's a lot more isos, and you're playing off less capable shooters for now. The passing and pacing is going to be so radically different and Thompson is already on the downturn in his ability to shoot.

I could just be a pessimistic about his adjustment. He's talented enough to at least just make threes and get them however he can. I only wonder how good he is without Curry and Green. Can he find shots between Kyrie and Luka?

You're usually on point with a lot of things Derrick, but I think this one you're off. The Mavericks are a perfect hand to glove fit to be quite honest. As a Mavs fan I always in the past said what if Luka had a straight sniper from the 3 who's a catch and shooter type of player, Klay usually comes to mind, Michael Porter Jr, Kevin Durant. Curry isn't like a amazing passer who cuts in the paint and looks at the outside to pass. Luka offensively is very similar to Lebron, take the attention off your teammates by drawing attention from multiple defenders, drive in the paint and pass out to an open three. I think Klay if not injured will have a better season this year compared to last to be quite honest, last year he had to fight for minutes and his rotation was kinda in a weird position going from starter > bench on a losing team who barely made the play-in. The Warriors wanted to bench him for next year (6th man role) under Brandin Podziemski, he obviously doesn't want that and doesnt deserve that for someone who's averaged these numbers below:

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They're not expecting Klay to do more ISO, we have Luka and Kyrie for that. I think the only thing Mavs fans are expecting is make sure to shoot 40% from 3 on 9-10 attempts per game and play OK defense (not Klays prime all defense, just give us half that). So what if he's around "less capable shooters" he doesn't care if he's open. Switching to whatever team passing, pacing, rhythm, chemistry will all be adjustments. and I don't think Thompson is on a down turn going from 41% to 39% isn't horrible by any means.

I think Thompson will be fine (trust).
 
As a Mavs fan I always in the past said what if Luka had a straight sniper from the 3 who's a catch and shooter type of player, Klay usually comes to mind, Michael Porter Jr, Kevin
Klay is a movement shooter, like Redick (who would be a better fit than Kidd coach wise but I digress). It's not about just making threes, but how the player generates them.

Curry isn't like a amazing passer who cuts in the paint and looks at the outside to pass. Luka offensively is very similar to Lebron, take the attention off your teammates by drawing attention from multiple defenders, drive in the paint and pass out to an open three.

So, stand around and watch isos and just be open? Again, that's not a movement offense. Curry is the best superstar who is as much of a threat off ball rather than on the ball. The only arguable off ball threat on the Dallas roster is Kyrie... that's about it. So Klay is still spending a lot more time standing than getting open off movement. Compare his amount of dribbles and miles traveled to other shooters.

So what if he's around "less capable shooters" he doesn't care if he's open. Switching to whatever team passing, pacing, rhythm, chemistry will all be adjustments.

Being around less capable shooters means less space than what you're usually operating in. When the Warriors were good, they had in addition to Curry being the best movement shooter of all-time, 38%+ optimal 3 point shooters in Durant, Barnes, and one year from Wiggins.

On Dallas you pretty much only have Kyrie shooting that high for a career off the catch, and Luka's usually off the dribble so his off ball effiency is questionable. Other than that, everybody's just a play finisher. No movement players, passing players, or hot shooters. Just Luka/Kyrie dancing in a zone.

So that allows for easier defensive gameplanning. Shooters are infinitely easier to key on if the overall offense is based on isolation, not passing, and not moving. You saw it in the Finals I hope. If you expect huge success from just from having a better shooter stand around Luka/Kyrie instead of more motion and passing, that's a literal waste of his talents imo.

Now I could be wrong and Kidd is moving toward movement offense. Lord knows this team needs it, but if they stick with heliocentric isos, we'll see more of the same.

The central question I pose, similar to the
Finals question for Dallas's defense, is if Thompson's skill was more about the type of offense he was surrounded by, or innate greatness. We've seen this question answered whenever players miraculously get better/worse leaving bad/good fits (Oubre, Westbrook, Kyrie from the Celtics).
 
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As a Knicks fan lemme just say (I know it seems a lil bias but i'll address this in a second*) I LOVE JALEN BRUNSON. I would've never expected any talented athlete to do what he just did. I would've totally understood and loved him the same for getting his money next year (he definitely deserves it)...
but him saying he studied Tom Brady and the Pats.... Mahomes and the Chiefs... to learn "Steady success and enabling team flexibility" is INSANE. (I come from a Jets vs Bills family as well so despite rivalries I will say I always respected how Brady/Mahomes did that.*)
it's totally a grace he offered us and i absolutely respect it, the unselfishness to try and build a championship winning franchise is incredible. - (PTSD side note: dont trust Dolan but if he fell back which is whats we heard recently we got a chance, but i wont Lakers/Cowboys fans it up - i'm just appreciating him enabling the team)
I'd say the same for any talent anywhere - I just appreciate he's MY GUY.


God knows if he's able to bring one to the Knicks he'll probably be able to make much more than the deficit he accepted.

edit: new avi just for that.
 
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Klay is a movement shooter, like Redick (who would be a better fit than Kidd coach wise but I digress). It's not about just making threes, but how the player generates them.



So, stand around and watch isos and just be open? Again, that's not a movement offense. Curry is the best superstar who is as much of a threat off ball rather than on the ball. The only arguable off ball threat on the Dallas roster is Kyrie... that's about it. So Klay is still spending a lot more time standing than getting open off movement. Compare his amount of dribbles and miles traveled to other shooters.



Being around less capable shooters means less space than what you're usually operating in. When the Warriors were good, they had in addition to Curry being the best movement shooter of all-time, 38%+ optimal 3 point shooters in Durant, Barnes, and one year from Wiggins.

On Dallas you pretty much only have Kyrie shooting that high for a career off the catch, and Luka's usually off the dribble so his off ball effiency is questionable. Other than that, everybody's just a play finisher. No movement players, passing players, or hot shooters. Just Luka/Kyrie dancing in a zone.

So that allows for easier defensive gameplanning. Shooters are infinitely easier to key on if the overall offense is based on isolation, not passing, and not moving. You saw it in the Finals I hope. If you expect huge success from just from having a better shooter stand around Luka/Kyrie instead of more motion and passing, that's a literal waste of his talents imo.

Now I could be wrong and Kidd is moving toward movement offense. Lord knows this team needs it, but if they stick with heliocentric isos, we'll see more of the same.

The central question I pose, similar to the
Finals question for Dallas's defense, is if Thompson's skill was more about the type of offense he was surrounded by, or innate greatness. We've seen this question answered whenever players miraculously get better/worse leaving bad/good fits (Oubre, Westbrook, Kyrie from the Celtics).
I will mention on this, the offense is going to stay the same. Klay will fit perfectly into it because that’s just who Klay is, he doesn’t need motion that’s just the system they ran to optimize the combination of all 3.

Kyrie and Luka are both smart passers. Derrick Lively is one of the best short roll passers in the league. Klay just needs guys that will recognize when his open shots are the best look available to the defense, and he will be getting a lot of that off of Kyrie and Luka drives and Lively on the short roll. Lukas best comparison has always been Harden and Harden had Eric Gordon to do this job, this is just how you optimize a super high volume creator and create a legitimate contender around them. I’ve said this in other basketball spaces but Hardens choking in the playoffs is really due to a ridiculously high offensive load to actually make it that far and they just eventually fatigue. So taking off as much of the load as possible is incredibly important. (2018 rockets could’ve won the championship etc.)

Building a good defensive team(which the Mavs have, best defense in the league after the all star break). Then getting another offensive creator that can shoot offball to use their creation gravity. And then just play finishers, Luka is a savant PnR guy and with any good roll man he would do fine but with a guy like Dereck Lively you actually focus so much on his offball lob catching it changes the way the defense handles Luka.

There is no exact correlation between playstyle of a player and playstyle of said player as a coach. But even that being said if Kidd can hide Luka and Kyrie enough that the media is spewing bs about them being better defenders. He can make Klay look like a great defender.

Anyways Klay fits perfectly into the system, makes a shitton of money in Dallas, and I think can generally vibe with the rest of the Mavs.

PS:

Rockets - Mavs
CP3 - Kyrie
Harden - Luka
Eric Gordon/Trevor Ariza - Klay
PJ Tucker - PJ Washington
Clint Capela - Dereck Lively/Gafford

It’s interesting how similar these teams are built, and definitely shows a lot about how front offices think.
 
Kyrie/Cp3 are not comparable to me.

Klay is not a plus defender, nor is he the same type of 3 point shooter Gordon is.

Tucker/Washington is kinda strange to me as well.

I do see what you're trying to say but all we can do is wait and see what happens
 

Thanks for posting, honestly...idk if the video was trying to miss the point on why Klay didn't sign to the lakers?

It was obvious, it wasnt about the money, Lebron is getting older. Luka is in his prime, and Dallas are proven.
 
I’m just going to say it so I can see if I’m right but I think Wemby will be the greatest basketball player of all time if he stays injury free.
 
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