SPOILERS! Mysteries and Conspiracies of Pokemon

Yung Dramps said:
What is going on with the Magnemite line in Legends Arceus?

Ok, so at first it looks like a space-time distortion exclusive. The implication the line isn't supposed to exist in this time period appears to be a contradiction of AZ's story in XY where Magnemite was in the flashback of the ancient war, but I suppose Game Freak can be forgiven for forgetting a relatively minor detail from a whole different region's story.

Except, once you reach Coronet Highlands, there's wild Magnezone just floating in the air in a few areas. If you're not paying attention, it's really hard to notice.

So which is it? Right now it comes off like they got all the encounter tables done before someone pointed out the aforementioned contradiction and so they haphazardly dumped Magnezone in the only place they could.
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Somehow no I don't think they just haphazardly placed the mysterious UFO pokemon to wander in the distance at a point where it's easy to miss it's even there, at the highest mountain in the region, and the general source of the space time distortion.

They either want that to be the explanation (it wandered out of the rift) or want it to be a mysterious aliens type deal (sending signals to space, ohhh!) , with only magnemite/ton being pulled in from elsewhere (of note: while Laventon calls magnemite "bizarre" he doesn't seem put out of sorts by seeing it or the rest of the line like he does Porygon so it could be just a situation of not native to Hisui while being found elsewhere)
 
Yung Dramps said:
What is going on with the Magnemite line in Legends Arceus?

Ok, so at first it looks like a space-time distortion exclusive. The implication the line isn't supposed to exist in this time period appears to be a contradiction of AZ's story in XY where Magnemite was in the flashback of the ancient war, but I suppose Game Freak can be forgiven for forgetting a relatively minor detail from a whole different region's story.

Except, once you reach Coronet Highlands, there's wild Magnezone just floating in the air in a few areas. If you're not paying attention, it's really hard to notice.

So which is it? Right now it comes off like they got all the encounter tables done before someone pointed out the aforementioned contradiction and so they haphazardly dumped Magnezone in the only place they could.
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what you are assuming is that the magnet electric pokemon in a world full of magical creatures and pseudoscience is mechanical. Steelix exists, and so does Alolan Geodude, so a pokemon sharing both of those traits doesn't seem that farfetched.
 
Cancel cult said:
what you are assuming is that the magnet electric pokemon in a world full of magical creatures and pseudoscience is mechanical. Steelix exists, and so does Alolan Geodude, so a pokemon sharing both of those traits doesn't seem that farfetched.
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My reading was that if Magnemite was a normal encounter, there wouldn't be anything notable about it. If the entire line was distortion exclusive, this argument shows up and needs some effort to reconcile with other information that shows Magnemite was around before L:A's time period (such as there potentially being contemporary Magnemites in other regions). Heck, if Magnemite and Magneton were regular encounters and Magnezone was only found in distortions it could be easily explained as the magnetic fields that induce evolution being less established for whatever reason. The only reason this situation is strange is that a final evolution can be routinely found in a region where its own pre-evolutions cannot be.
 
Yung Dramps said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1836933292982939932

what?
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Sprigatito did it.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1836963497625715094
Same energy:
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DrPumpkinz said:
Putting it in google translate gives "p0,. I'm sorry."

...what?

also which twitter account is this?
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Poke Times is pretty much the other main Japanese twitter account that posts more miscellaneous news and game clips.
 
So been thinking: The Galarian Birds are sometimes speculated on whether they're different species that were mistaken for the Kanto counterparts, possibly due to their similar aesthetic or metaphorical resemblance (EX: Zapdos is a Thunder mon, G-Zapdos has Thunderous Kick and runs fast enough to cause Sonic Booms). This seems rather flimsy considering how many Grass Pokemon we have not mistaken based on superficial resemblance, or stuff like multiple Bee Pokemon.

Which made me think: Given how rare the Galarian birds are played in Gameplay (either 0.3% chance catch on a tiny 15 minute window encounter in Go, or end of Post-Game DLC in SwSh), is it possible the people documenting them literally only ever saw one instance, and said instance was the Shiny forms that match the Kanto versions outright on top of the "similar" abilities? It's not like even the minor legendaries are treated as common enough sightings to distinguish them however long ago they first identified it, or they might not even (technically) be Galar native since they congregate at the Dyna Tree but then just roam wherever.
 
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pika pal said:
So been thinking: The Galarian Birds are sometimes speculated on whether they're different species that were mistaken for the Kanto counterparts, possibly due to their similar aesthetic or metaphorical resemblance (EX: Zapdos is a Thunder mon, G-Zapdos has Thunderous Kick and runs fast enough to cause Sonic Booms). This seems rather flimsy considering how many Grass Pokemon we have not mistaken based on superficial resemblance, or stuff like multiple Bee Pokemon.

Which made me think: Given how rare the Galarian birds are played in Gameplay (either 0.3% chance catch on a tiny 15 minute window encounter in Go, or end of Post-Game DLC in SwSh), is it possible the people documenting them literally only ever saw one instance, and said instance was the Shiny forms that match the Kanto versions outright on top of the "similar" abilities? Not like even the minor legendaries are treated as common enough sightings to distinguish them however long ago they first identified it, or they might not even (technically) be Galar native since they congregate at the Dyna Tree but then just roam wherever.
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I love this because it also solves my annoyance of "why didn't they say they are two unrelated species like Wigglet and company" (obviously because they were introduced a gen earlier, but in-universe). If what you saw was a Zapdos in everything but typing, which you can't tell on sight, then why doubt it?

Still wish we knew more about the Dyna Tree and their relationship tho.
 
"Muk" is for sure a swear word in-universe, right?

Like I know most of the phrases in Pokemon are just real-world phrases with animals swapped out for equivalent Pokemon regardless of how well it fits (you wouldn't call something Tauros shit off the cuff like you would with bull shit; if you're calling something Tauros shit, you went into that sentence planning on calling it Tauros shit) but Muk has the same auditory punchiness as fuck and refers to something gross like shit.
 
DrPumpkinz said:
"Muk" is for sure a swear word in-universe, right?

Like I know most of the phrases in Pokemon are just real-world phrases with animals swapped out for equivalent Pokemon regardless of how well it fits (you wouldn't call something Tauros shit off the cuff like you would with bull shit; if you're calling something Tauros shit, you went into that sentence planning on calling it Tauros shit) but Muk has the same auditory punchiness as fuck and refers to something gross like shit.
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Nope, that's just your anglocentrism speaking; "-uk" has no particular punchiness, you're just associating it with the english swear

Mulch would be a better pokemon swear because what it can mean; an unclean or demeaning connotation makes a better swear than a sound
so "gooey mulch" > "Muk" even if Muk is still pretty dirty
 
Rapti said:
Nope, that's just your anglocentrism speaking; "-uk" has no particular punchiness, you're just associating it with the english swear

Mulch would be a better pokemon swear because what it can mean; an unclean or demeaning connotation makes a better swear than a sound
so "gooey mulch" > "Muk" even if Muk is still pretty dirty
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Well, yeah. The English-speaking community would probably focus on stand ins for english swears and words that have that association in a hypothetical situation where English-equivalent AUs ...And unlike something goofy like "duck", "muck"/'Muk" has similar nasty mouthfeel.


The actual ""issue"" is there's no reason "fuck" wouldn't also be used in English-ish Pokemon-World speaking communities.
There'd probably be people who try to use "muk" to be clever and get nothing by eye rolls, like people who used to bring in fake-swears from shows, or people complaining how their auto-correct keeps changing it into "Muk".

e: I'll also say in-universe people will also make the same exact cum joke with muk as they do in our world, to equal levels of eyerolling.
 
R_N said:
I'll also say in-universe people will also make the same exact cum joke with muk as they do in our world, to equal levels of eyerolling.
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now this got me thinking. the most common slang for both penises and vaginas come from animals, which wouldn't exist in the pokéverse. do pokémon names just fill in that function for them? would it change based on region? skitties in hoenn, purrloins in unova?? much to think about.
 
Mova said:
i wonder if people would actually speak in pokepuns constantly like that
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Realistically the shape of language would probably just result in a way where most of these puns would probably never really come up in the same way some slang like "cock" would, but I'd be surprised if just about every language in our world doesn't have some slang based around an animal or thing in place of a regular word. So it'd still apply in one way or another in Poke-English or Poke-Japanese or Poke-French or whatever.
 
Considering the pokeworld alphabet looks like this:
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I wonder if their english (galarian?) sounds the same
(hence why I advocate for a made up language for the game's voice acting, that and so Gamefreak doesn't hide behind the excuse of "oh but the games have so many different languages and to get voice acting for each it would take sooo long, so we decided to not use voice acting in Pokemon"; admittedly mostly the second one)
 
So this originated as a griping on how Gyarados was robbed of its legendary BST in special split, but I discovered something much weirder.

:gs/gyarados::gs/arcanine:

Starting in Gen 2 and going until quite a while, Arcanine had the highest BST of any standard non-legendary Pokemon at 555, still noticeably below the legendary standard of 580, but still slightly above the 540 of other strong Pokemon like Snorlax and Gyarados.

:rb/gyarados::rb/arcanine:

In Gen 1 however, it's a very different story. Arcanine is still quite high at 455 (tied with Exeggutor) but it's a far second place to Gyarados's near-legendary stats. Mewtwo is way at the top at 590, no surprise there. Mew and Dragonite are next at 500, then comes the legendary birds with incrementally decreasing by 5, with Moltres at 495, Zapdos at 490, and Articuno at 485. And then just another 5 below that is Gyarados at 480, appropriate for a Pokemon with the lore and might of a legendary Pokemon...

It's also tied with Cloyster.

:rb/cloyster:

Why the hell does Cloyster have a BST to rival the gods?
 
DrPumpkinz said:
So this originated as a griping on how Gyarados was robbed of its legendary BST in special split, but I discovered something much weirder.

:gs/gyarados::gs/arcanine:

Starting in Gen 2 and going until quite a while, Arcanine had the highest BST of any standard non-legendary Pokemon at 555, still noticeably below the legendary standard of 580, but still slightly above the 540 of other strong Pokemon like Snorlax and Gyarados.

:rb/gyarados::rb/arcanine:

In Gen 1 however, it's a very different story. Arcanine is still quite high at 455 (tied with Exeggutor) but it's a far second place to Gyarados's near-legendary stats. Mewtwo is way at the top at 590, no surprise there. Mew and Dragonite are next at 500, then comes the legendary birds with incrementally decreasing by 5, with Moltres at 495, Zapdos at 490, and Articuno at 485. And then just another 5 below that is Gyarados at 480, appropriate for a Pokemon with the lore and might of a legendary Pokemon...

It's also tied with Cloyster.

:rb/cloyster:

Why the hell does Cloyster have a BST to rival the gods?
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Welcome to BST obsession hell. So nice to finally have company.
 
DrPumpkinz said:
I dunno, they go in order of their name. Also still doesn't explain why Cloyster of all Pokemon has such high stats.
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i think cloyster is exactly why they weren't thinking too much about it. they wanted its defense to be HUGE and just didn't made its attacking stats junk like they did onix. that happened to put him at 480 and still not even be busted. saddling cloyster with 45 spdef in gen 2 despite not being a big problem in gen 1 feels more conscious of BST than what 1 did
 
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