As much as I love Arcanine, he definitely isn't as strong as you say. However I certainly am a supporter of his A+ rank because of how difficult he is to bring down and how useful his specific moveset is in play. On paper he may seem underwhelming but on the battlefield he does much more than one might think. He can check and counter, revenge kill, break certain walls, and KO boosted or scarfed sweepers with a strong STAB ESpeed.Depends really, sableye mega can take in on most of the time if it's not packing flash canon (which it isn't since it has espeed), and tentacruel can take it almost all the time.
Zapdos also is a really good switchin, and chansey can actually switch on most sets that don't have
I disagree, actually I stand on the complete opposite side of the fence, in my personal experience arcanine has been the most successful espeeder I used and I can't seem to really build a team without it.
Offensively arcanine is actually better than you make it out to be. Noivern can't even switch on espeed without being 2hkoed, gliscor is easily 2hkoed by double edge and slowbro is easily 2hkoed by wild charge and gyarados is definitely killed by wild charge unless it's a max defence gyarados that switched IN without rocks in which case it's easily 2hkoed.
But really I think arcanine's best set is the defensive set as it's able to check so much while providing intimidate support which is incredibely usefull for pivoting, wisp support and having reliable recovery.
It's a great check to most of the big threats of the meta including medicham, megagross, lucario, scizor, weavile, hoopa, scarf lando, band azumarill, breloom, itself, mega lop, pikachu, excadrill every fairy type, even ttar.
Sure his bulk might sometimes be lackluster but weather I build offence, balance or stall I very rarely have any reason not to put it on my team. And think it's the best mon of the metagame.
(Maybe with megaBro too, I agree with aja that iron defence megaBro is one o the best wincon in the meta against offensive teams)
Here are the calcs you referred to though
All calcs with Adamant for max power, this would however let all max+ 83's on up outspeed, so Magmortar, Excadrill, Kingdra, up to Lucario, LandoT, Gliscor, Zygarde, other Arc's and more. If you are Jolly, the calcs decrease but you can outspeed them which is often very important.
Extreme speed set to 104 BP fire type, Double-Edge 156 BP fire type
252+ Atk Choice Band Arcanine Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Noivern: 150-177 (48.2 - 56.9%) -- 89.1% chance to 2HKO
Band is less common (flash fire Arcanine's, water types, etc) but it gets the job done. What about the more common and versatile Life Orb set?
252+ Atk Life Orb Arcanine Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Noivern: 130-153 (41.8 - 49.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
He's ready to Boomburst, unless you manage SR.
252+ Atk Life Orb Arcanine Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gliscor: 199-235 (56.2 - 66.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal
He can Protect for more PH and survive another hit, but yes it technically does 2HKO.
252+ Atk Life Orb Arcanine Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro: 172-203 (43.6 - 51.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Nope. Slowbro is standard spread with some SpD EV's, not even max def. If it has Rocky Helmet and Slack Off you'll die from the recoil very quickly while he remains healthy.
252+ Atk Choice Band Arcanine Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 194-230 (49.2 - 58.3%) -- 66% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Okay now you have a decent chance, if it switches in, in which case it can switch out to Zygarde for some free boosting. If Arcanine comes in against it, it can just Slack Off and eat hits until recoil claims your Arcanine.
-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Arcanine Wild Charge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gyarados: 406-478 (122.6 - 144.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Arcanine Wild Charge vs. 88 HP / 4 Def Gyarados: 464-548 (131.4 - 155.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Arcanine Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gyarados: 320-380 (81.2 - 96.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
I had to really amp up Gyarados's defense spread to get him to live. Idk what the other guy was talking about, if you run this spread just to survive then your Gyara won't be killing anything anyway, so...
Here's what that dumb max def spread gets you:
0 Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Arcanine: 252-296 (78.5 - 92.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Extreme speed set to 104 BP fire type, Double-Edge 156 BP fire type
252+ Atk Choice Band Arcanine Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Noivern: 150-177 (48.2 - 56.9%) -- 89.1% chance to 2HKO
Band is less common (flash fire Arcanine's, water types, etc) but it gets the job done. What about the more common and versatile Life Orb set?
252+ Atk Life Orb Arcanine Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Noivern: 130-153 (41.8 - 49.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
He's ready to Boomburst, unless you manage SR.
252+ Atk Life Orb Arcanine Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gliscor: 199-235 (56.2 - 66.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal
He can Protect for more PH and survive another hit, but yes it technically does 2HKO.
252+ Atk Life Orb Arcanine Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Slowbro: 172-203 (43.6 - 51.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Nope. Slowbro is standard spread with some SpD EV's, not even max def. If it has Rocky Helmet and Slack Off you'll die from the recoil very quickly while he remains healthy.
252+ Atk Choice Band Arcanine Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Slowbro: 194-230 (49.2 - 58.3%) -- 66% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Okay now you have a decent chance, if it switches in, in which case it can switch out to Zygarde for some free boosting. If Arcanine comes in against it, it can just Slack Off and eat hits until recoil claims your Arcanine.
-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Arcanine Wild Charge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Gyarados: 406-478 (122.6 - 144.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Arcanine Wild Charge vs. 88 HP / 4 Def Gyarados: 464-548 (131.4 - 155.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Arcanine Wild Charge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gyarados: 320-380 (81.2 - 96.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
I had to really amp up Gyarados's defense spread to get him to live. Idk what the other guy was talking about, if you run this spread just to survive then your Gyara won't be killing anything anyway, so...
Here's what that dumb max def spread gets you:
0 Atk Gyarados Waterfall vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Arcanine: 252-296 (78.5 - 92.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO