SPOILERS! Lycanroc-Dusk

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If I had to guess, this will certainly be in UU, and if Scarf becomes a thing, potentially in OU as a better Terrakion. Tough Claws and a great movepool to abuse it are amazing. It doesn't have bulk, but it can't be perfect.
 
Reviloja753 said:
If I had to guess, this will certainly be in UU, and if Scarf becomes a thing, potentially in OU as a better Terrakion. Tough Claws and a great movepool to abuse it are amazing. It doesn't have bulk, but it can't be perfect.
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"Better Terrakion" seems like a slight stretch. Terrakion's Fighting STAB and added bulk alone make it a better option, even with the lower Speed Tier and lack of STAB priority. That Rock + Fighting STAB combo is just so good (and CC provides it with an option way stronger than any coverage Lycanroc can muster.)

Still, I do agree that this thing has legs, competitively speaking. Good Speed (even if it's in an increasingly overcrowded Speed Tier), good Attack further cemented by Tough Claws and a decent selection of contact moves (I really wish there was a stronger, non-priority contact Rock move for it, though, as to really flesh its sets out).

Also, and this is just personal preference, but I do love the orange fur and green eyes. It's definitely my favorite Lycanroc form from a design perspective.
 
jackgraves said:
"Better Terrakion" seems like a slight stretch. Terrakion's Fighting STAB and added bulk alone make it a better option, even with the lower Speed Tier and lack of STAB priority. That Rock + Fighting STAB combo is just so good (and CC provides it with an option way stronger than any coverage Lycanroc can muster.)

Still, I do agree that this thing has legs, competitively speaking. Good Speed (even if it's in an increasingly overcrowded Speed Tier), good Attack further cemented by Tough Claws and a decent selection of contact moves (I really wish there was a stronger, non-priority contact Rock move for it, though, as to really flesh its sets out).

Also, and this is just personal preference, but I do love the orange fur and green eyes. It's definitely my favorite Lycanroc form from a design perspective.
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Doesn't Smack Down make contact?
 
Will Stomping Tantrum double in power if Lycanroc uses Protect on a switch-in on the prior turn (naturally failing)? 225 Base Power before possible super-effectiveness seems absurd.
 
Lucchini said:
Will Stomping Tantrum double in power if Lycanroc uses Protect on a switch-in on the prior turn (naturally failing)? 225 Base Power before possible super-effectiveness seems absurd.
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The only thing is that you're achieving the exact same damage output by just using Stomping Tantrum twice. I guess it does make you a bit more free to use Protect in cases where you're not sure whether the opponent will stay in or switch, but just using ST is generally the better move in case they outspeed or whatever.
 
On top of actually being the possibility of Protect actually working twice leaving you on not being able to Protect and no Stomping Tantrum double power either
 
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Tough Claws

Lycanroc-Dusk @ Lycanium Z / Life Orb
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Stone Edge
- Drill Run
- Accelerock

This thing seems like UU material, and may be usable, thanks to its strong ability, decent offensive stats and excellent movepool. However, Lycanroc doesn't have a solid bulk, and its typing is bad defensively, meaning it's weak to priority like Bullet Punch, Mach Punch, Water Shuriken, etc, so I guess, that over time the OU metagame will adapt, and it will drop to UU.
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Lycanroc Accelerock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 207-243 (73.6 - 86.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Lycanroc Accelerock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hydreigon: 224-265 (68.9 - 81.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Lycanroc Accelerock vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latias: 224-265 (74.1 - 87.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Lycanroc Drill Run vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cobalion: 439-517 (135.9 - 160%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 124+ Def Scizor: 317-374 (92.4 - 109%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Accelerock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Starmie: 181-214 (69.3 - 81.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 80+ Def Hippowdon: 144-172 (34.2 - 40.9%) -- 54.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Stone Edge vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Swampert: 152-179 (37.9 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 200+ Def Rotom-Wash: 282-333 (93 - 109.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Stone Edge vs. 40 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola: 328-386 (68.1 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Stone Edge vs. 244 HP / 12 Def Gliscor: 321-380 (91.1 - 107.9%) -- 50% chance to OHKO


+2 252 Atk Lycanroc Splintered Stormshards (190 BP) vs. 40 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola: 478-564 (99.3 - 117.2%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252 Atk Lycanroc Splintered Stormshards (190 BP) vs. 248 HP / 200+ Def Rotom-Wash: 412-486 (135.9 - 160.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Lycanroc Splintered Stormshards (190 BP) vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Swampert: 222-261 (55.3 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Lycanroc Splintered Stormshards (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 200+ Def Suicune: 391-462 (96.7 - 114.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
+2 252 Atk Lycanroc Splintered Stormshards (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 80+ Def Hippowdon: 212-249 (50.4 - 59.2%) -- 80.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Lycanroc Splintered Stormshards (190 BP) vs. 244 HP / 12 Def Gliscor: 469-553 (133.2 - 157.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
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JonathanXtreme said:
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Tough Claws

Lycanroc-Dusk @ Lycanrockium Z / Life Orb
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Stone Edge
- Drill Run
- Accelerock

This thing seems like UU material, and may be usable, thanks to its strong ability, decent offensive stats and excellent movepool. However, Lycanroc doesn't have a solid bulk, and its typing is bad defensively, meaning it's weak to priority like Bullet Punch, Mach Punch, Water Shuriken, etc, so I guess, that over time the OU metagame will adapt, and it will drop to UU.
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Lycanroc Accelerock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 207-243 (73.6 - 86.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Lycanroc Accelerock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Hydreigon: 224-265 (68.9 - 81.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Lycanroc Accelerock vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Latias: 224-265 (74.1 - 87.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Lycanroc Drill Run vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Cobalion: 439-517 (135.9 - 160%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 124+ Def Scizor: 317-374 (92.4 - 109%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Accelerock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Starmie: 181-214 (69.3 - 81.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 80+ Def Hippowdon: 144-172 (34.2 - 40.9%) -- 54.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Stone Edge vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Swampert: 152-179 (37.9 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 200+ Def Rotom-Wash: 282-333 (93 - 109.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Stone Edge vs. 40 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola: 328-386 (68.1 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Stone Edge vs. 244 HP / 12 Def Gliscor: 321-380 (91.1 - 107.9%) -- 50% chance to OHKO


+2 252 Atk Lycanroc Splintered Stormshards (190 BP) vs. 40 HP / 252+ Def Alomomola: 478-564 (99.3 - 117.2%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252 Atk Lycanroc Splintered Stormshards (190 BP) vs. 248 HP / 200+ Def Rotom-Wash: 412-486 (135.9 - 160.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 Atk Lycanroc Splintered Stormshards (190 BP) vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Swampert: 222-261 (55.3 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Lycanroc Splintered Stormshards (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 200+ Def Suicune: 391-462 (96.7 - 114.3%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
+2 252 Atk Lycanroc Splintered Stormshards (190 BP) vs. 252 HP / 80+ Def Hippowdon: 212-249 (50.4 - 59.2%) -- 80.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252 Atk Life Orb Lycanroc Splintered Stormshards (190 BP) vs. 244 HP / 12 Def Gliscor: 610-719 (173.2 - 204.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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That last calc with Gliscor has you holding a Life Orb. Regardless, you still OHKO:

+2 252 Atk Lycanroc Splintered Stormshards (190 BP) vs. 244 HP / 12 Def Gliscor: 469-553 (133.2 - 157.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
DuplexBeGreat said:
It can evolve into other formes, yes.
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That seems like a really questionable design choice, all things considered. Not only do we have a time limited event Pokemon, but the vast majority of players will end up evolving it into an unremarkable common Pokemon by accident.
 
You can breed a dusk lycanroc to breed more of the same one with tough claw as long you get a rockruff with own tempo then you are set also there is a shiny dusk form
 
I never really tried at Gen 7 breeding, so I have to ask: if I am trying to breed a Lycanroc-Dusk later on, does it matter what gender the Rockruff I pick up at the Pokémon Center has if I am trying to pass down the ability + put it in a cool ball?
 
Gabe said:
I never really tried at Gen 7 breeding, so I have to ask: if I am trying to breed a Lycanroc-Dusk later on, does it matter what gender the Rockruff I pick up at the Pokémon Center has if I am trying to pass down the ability + put it in a cool ball?
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Short answer: no, it doesn't matter what gender you get, but female will make things slightly easier later on.

Long answer: Own Tempo Rockruff is in an Ash-Greninja-esc situation where it's coded into the game basically as an entirely separate mon using the same name. It'll always be passing down Own Tempo as its ability. As of Gen 7, either parent can pass down a pokeball if they're the same species. That said, if you got a male event Rockruff, you'd need to breed until you get a female one, then chain another Rockruff's ball onto it with a separate male Rockruff with the ball you want.
 
If you evolve the event rockruff into midday/midnight and then breed it, will the babies still have own tempo?
 
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