(Little) Things that annoy you in Pokémon

[DreamPrince]

Though Gen 4 has the asterisk of needing the event Regigigas to get everyone without transfer.

I think if we count events (Restricted giveaways, Mythics, dream world starters, Pikachu, etc), Gen 5 has everyone covered....except for Unown. Well. Had everyone covered. Dream World being down and all...

Oh, I forgot about the DreamWorld. Still, there are certain Pokemon like the Beasts and Unown which were unobtainable.

Speaking of the DreamWorld, isn't it annoying how soon it shut down? Only four years, and between the span of BW and BW2. The fact that it shut down so soon is infuriating especially since BW2 were very recent games. The shutting down of the Dream World basically killed a lot of potential ways to get with HAs like Lileep, Aerodactyl, and Burmy. The only way to get those Pokemon after the DreamWorld was shut down is to breed their descendants. Would it have killed them to keep the DreamWorld online for the 3DS era, or better why not make the 3DS game compatible with it?

 

[Nokocchi]

In prototype builds of Red and Green, a backsprite that resembles Jynx seems to have had the (tentative?) name of "Buu." Quoting from Helix Chamber:

As alluded to in the quote, it would have fit in as the Ice Yokai/Oni to Electabuzz and Magmar's Electric and Fire (remember that the only elemental types originally conceived were Fire, Electric, and Ice).

I wish people would stop spreading this misinformation and actually look at the coding of the data leak on places it is listed like the Cutting Room Floor. Buu was not reworked into Jynx at all. Buu and Jynx actually both co-existed at the same time in the Red and Green alpha. Same with Kangaskhan and the Marowak Evolution. They just in both cases removed what they considered redundant/overlapping Pokemon concepts(the Marowak's case they said in interview years back that they cut down a lot of 3-stage lines to 2-stage to have more individual evolutionary families in the game, which is why Zubat, Meowth, Ponyta, Vulpix, Goldeen, lost their first stage, Magnemite and Psyduck lost their middle stage, and Pikachu and Cubone lost their final stage). They did the same thing with the 2 pure Water Turtle lines, but in that case they merged the two, removing Wartortle's original, fluffier evolution and Blastoise's bubble-gun based pre-evolution

 

[Ironmage]

I wish people would stop spreading this misinformation and actually look at the coding of the data leak on places it is listed like the Cutting Room Floor. Buu was not reworked into Jynx at all. Buu and Jynx actually both co-existed at the same time in the Red and Green alpha. Same with Kangaskhan and the Marowak Evolution. They just in both cases removed what they considered redundant/overlapping Pokemon concepts(the Marowak's case they said in interview years back that they cut down a lot of 3-stage lines to 2-stage to have more individual evolutionary families in the game, which is why Zubat, Meowth, Ponyta, Vulpix, Goldeen, lost their first stage, Magnemite and Psyduck lost their middle stage, and Pikachu and Cubone lost their final stage). They did the same thing with the 2 pure Water Turtle lines, but in that case they merged the two, removing Wartortle's original, fluffier evolution and Blastoise's bubble-gun based pre-evolution

Huh, I would have guessed the cut Zubat line member was a third stage since its unused cry was pretty much used for Crobat.

 

[AztecCroc]

Huh, I would have guessed the cut Zubat line member was a third stage since its unused cry was pretty much used for Crobat.

Nope, Zubat prevo.

I wish people would stop spreading this misinformation and actually look at the coding of the data leak on places it is listed like the Cutting Room Floor. Buu was not reworked into Jynx at all. Buu and Jynx actually both co-existed at the same time in the Red and Green alpha.

He said it resembled Jynx, not that it was Jynx.
For context, this is Buu:

It is literally just a shaggier Jynx with closed eyes, Mr. Popo's mouth, and no breasts.

 

[R_N]

Huh, I would have guessed the cut Zubat line member was a third stage since its unused cry was pretty much used for Crobat.

yeah by all counts its a smaller zubat. It's just a little head with wings, would be kind of awkward for a final stage, evovled into Zubat at level 26, earlier level up set and so on.

I think I saw the theory that Zubat's stats might've been intended for Zubat0 and they just shuffled it down once it got cut, but that might have just been based entirely on "wow Zubat's stats are real bad huh"

Double checking the cry data on tcrf, it used the same base cry as the other 2 (& several other Pokemon) but it wasn't the unfiltered version that's closer to Crobat (though tcrf also informs me Crobat's is still pitchshifted and such anyway). Seems the unfiltered variant was meant for the original Squirtle3.

 

[Rapti]

Since we're (kinda) speaking of preevos, I hate that there's still no preevolution of Kangaskhan
also, that there's no prevolution connecting Miltank and Tauros and that there's no paldean Miltank

 

[R_N]

Since we're (kinda) speaking of preevos, I hate that there's still no preevolution of Kangaskhan
also, that there's no prevolution connecting Miltank and Tauros and that there's no paldean Miltank

I can kind of understand the logic of "this is just what Kangaskhan looks like as a baby" and maybe wanting tos ide step the weirdness of it being there the whole time BUT it is a little surprising that there was seemingly never even a throw-away idea for Gen 2 to possibly include it. Like even the turban shelled Shellder involved with Slowbro/king was at least briefly considered to be its own Pokemon before being scrapped, but despite something like a dozen babies being on deck none of them even had a scratch pad of lil Kangaskhan. I guess they just firmly stood on "its literally a baby kangaskhan" that hard?


And yeah like why bother linking the Hitmons together (& make a new one) but not the single staged all-female cow & all-male bull that you keep putting on the same routes....Miltank not even getting the Nidoran and Illumise special of having the option to lay Tauros eggs is also weird

 

[Yung Dramps]

I know Pokken Tournament put a lot of effort into making an original region with new locales and music which I respect but I still think it was a huge missed opportunity to not have any stages based on main series locations. N's Castle or Bellchime Trail would've gone crazy

Shoutout to Type: Wild for still being the only Pokemon fighter to do this

 

[TailGlowVM]

A very minor peeve about Gen 5- It is only generation with the National Dex that you have to strictly transfer to obtain all the Pokemon. Gens 3, 4, and 6 allowed you to complete the Pokedex exclusively via trading, transfering was not required.

If you, let's say, wanted to use a Pokemon in Gen 5 VGC like Hitmontop, but still wanted to use Hitmontop in the Gen 4 facilities, you'd face a dillema with one way transfer. Trading wouldn't have that issue.

Though Gen 4 has the asterisk of needing the event Regigigas to get everyone without transfer.

I think if we count events (Restricted giveaways, Mythics, dream world starters, Pikachu, etc), Gen 5 has everyone covered....except for Unown. Well. Had everyone covered. Dream World being down and all...

Also Gen 3 needed Colosseum, XD and/or events for Ho-Oh and Lugia, though they weren't required for National Dex completion (and still weren't even in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum.)

As for availability restrictions, isn't it believed they made that mark restriction for X/Y VGC onwards because of the accessibility constraints in getting ErupTran and Sucker Punch Hitmontop in VGC12?

 

[CPU]

I wish people would stop spreading this misinformation and actually look at the coding of the data leak on places it is listed like the Cutting Room Floor. Buu was not reworked into Jynx at all. Buu and Jynx actually both co-existed at the same time in the Red and Green alpha.

I will admit that my memory of this particular missingno. was that it was a prototype Jynx (or rather, that Buu was Jynx's prototype name), but I never actually said that Jynx was reworked into this, just that a Pokémon resembling Jynx had the name "Buu," and that it would have fit in with Magmar and Electabuzz's Japanese names if it was kept. The Helix Chamber article that I quoted also posits that it could have been Jynx's male counterpart (notably, the Magmar and Electabuzz lines have a 75/25 m/f gender ratio), so I'm not sure why you're also ragging on their article here. Granted, they don't make it super clear that Jynx and Buu were both potential designs at the same time, so I appreciate the clarification.

And yes, I am well aware that they cut out and in some cases lines or evolutionary stages that were redundant.

 

[candyandcotty]

I think it's weird and borderline funny how in Pokémon games, there aren't any jobs you can apply for, but there are casinos in almost every game. Also, in Pokémon Colosseum, Rui always asks you to steal other people's Pokémon.

I'm a somewhat responsible adult with a moral compass that works most of the time, but it's definitely not because of Pokémon lol.

 

[AztecCroc]

I think it's weird and borderline funny how in Pokémon games, there aren't any jobs you can apply for, but there are casinos in almost every game. Also, in Pokémon Colosseum, Rui always asks you to steal other people's Pokémon.

I'm a somewhat responsible adult with a moral compass that works most of the time, but it's definitely not because of Pokémon lol.

There hasn't been a casino in a Pokémon game since gen 4.

 

[candyandcotty]

There hasn't been a casino in a Pokémon game since gen 4.

Lollll. This is how you know the last Pokémon game I finished was Pokémon Pearl. I am currently playing Black though.

 

[Axiemeister]

just finished emerald and i usually pick brendan as the player in hoenn because i like the character design better than may, but since i have been playing all the older gen games this year and finished ruby as brendan, i played as may for emerald and... brendan as a rival is kind of a little piece of shit huh. i did NOT remember that and it caught me off guard from the very first "i thought you'd be a boy" and basically every time he showed up dude, smug nepo kid has been done in gen 1 and at least blue was doing it to red AND green because he's nothing if not an equal opportunity hater

edit: another little thing that annoys the hell out of me in hoenn: PROTECT PELIPPER. bastard bird wasting my PP smh

 

[Bakugames]

i complain about pokemon adventure's rs arc being pretty misogynistic towards sapphire - the female protag - both in the narrative and from rubys character, but maybe they were just following the canon of the gen 3 male protag all along

 

[QuentinQuonce]

just finished emerald and i usually pick brendan as the player in hoenn because i like the character design better than may, but since i have been playing all the older gen games this year and finished ruby as brendan, i played as may for emerald and... brendan as a rival is kind of a little piece of shit huh. i did NOT remember that and it caught me off guard from the very first "i thought you'd be a boy" and basically every time he showed up dude, smug nepo kid has been done in gen 1 and at least blue was doing it to red AND green because he's nothing if not an equal opportunity hater

edit: another little thing that annoys the hell out of me in hoenn: PROTECT PELIPPER. bastard bird wasting my PP smh

It literally carries through right to the end - when they try to follow you into the Hall of Fame, May's reaction is like "aw... no, I'm just joking! That's completely fine - you earned this, [player]" and it comes off very much like she genuinely doesn't mind and only followed us in as a reflex rather than because she actually wanted to see the room. Whereas Brendan goes "aw, what?!" and there's a long stretch of silence before he says "...well, can't be helped I guess" and it feels a lot more resentful.

I don't mind it so much, I think it's neat that they're differentiated and not just carbon copies of each other. Dawn and Lucas come off a lot less distinct, they're basically just the same person in two different skins.

 

[Axiemeister]

I don't mind it so much, I think it's neat that they're differentiated and not just carbon copies of each other. Dawn and Lucas come off a lot less distinct, they're basically just the same person in two different skins.

i do enjoy the differentiation aspect of course - i wish they would try it again since the opposite gender player hasn't been an NPC for three gens now - but it sure surprised me (and the fact it necessarily happens when you are playing as a girl gives it annoying connotations).

reversing those two roles would be a cool relatively unexplored idea for the franchise actually now that i think abt it

 

[Coronis]

Signature moves. I love them.

I’m frustrated though now, from inconsistency. So since Gen 7 starters have been given sig moves. But now Lapras can get Sparkling Aria as an Egg Move which leaves Primarina without a sig move. Bugs me. It also bugs me that almost every earlier starter doesn’t have a sig move but the new ones do, though I do get it, they’re specifically built into their design these days and new signature moves could make some of the older starters overpowered relatively.

Similarly with Legendary/Mythical Pokemon. Nowadays almost all are made with Signature moves. But many previous ones (mostly trios) don’t have them. But the Galarian Birds got sig moves. Just bugs me. Mew I guess canonically has a reason not to. But like, the new Regi’s have one and the old Regi’s don’t? Feels wrong.

Also more recently with Ultra Beasts and Paradoxes. Blacephalon and Iron Treads get sig moves but the others don’t? Doesn’t seem fair.

I also found it weird that the Lousy Three didn’t have a sig move (shared between them like with Guardian Deities and Treasures of Ruin)

 

[pika pal]

Signature moves. I love them.

I’m frustrated though now, from inconsistency. So since Gen 7 starters have been given sig moves. But now Lapras can get Sparkling Aria as an Egg Move which leaves Primarina without a sig move. Bugs me. It also bugs me that almost every earlier starter doesn’t have a sig move but the new ones do, though I do get it, they’re specifically built into their design these days and new signature moves could make some of the older starters overpowered relatively.

Similarly with Legendary/Mythical Pokemon. Nowadays almost all are made with Signature moves. But many previous ones (mostly trios) don’t have them. But the Galarian Birds got sig moves. Just bugs me. Mew I guess canonically has a reason not to. But like, the new Regi’s have one and the old Regi’s don’t? Feels wrong.

Also more recently with Ultra Beasts and Paradoxes. Blacephalon and Iron Treads get sig moves but the others don’t? Doesn’t seem fair.

I also found it weird that the Lousy Three didn’t have a sig move (shared between them like with Guardian Deities and Treasures of Ruin)

In defense of Treads, Steel Roller is only its signature move because Gen 9 pared its availability down (becoming the only Level-up learner and no Tutor/TM returning).

The Loyal Three I get because they share an ability that is unique to the trio (not even used by their Trio Master technically), and they all have different playstyles that makes a move a bit harder to work equally well amongst them while remaining thematic.

 

[QuentinQuonce]

Signature moves. I love them.

I’m frustrated though now, from inconsistency. So since Gen 7 starters have been given sig moves. But now Lapras can get Sparkling Aria as an Egg Move which leaves Primarina without a sig move. Bugs me. It also bugs me that almost every earlier starter doesn’t have a sig move but the new ones do, though I do get it, they’re specifically built into their design these days and new signature moves could make some of the older starters overpowered relatively.

Similarly with Legendary/Mythical Pokemon. Nowadays almost all are made with Signature moves. But many previous ones (mostly trios) don’t have them. But the Galarian Birds got sig moves. Just bugs me. Mew I guess canonically has a reason not to. But like, the new Regi’s have one and the old Regi’s don’t? Feels wrong.

Also more recently with Ultra Beasts and Paradoxes. Blacephalon and Iron Treads get sig moves but the others don’t? Doesn’t seem fair.

I also found it weird that the Lousy Three didn’t have a sig move (shared between them like with Guardian Deities and Treasures of Ruin)

Mew did technically have a signature move in Gen VII, but that went as soon as it came.

Superpower was very nearly the original Regi trio's signature move (technically, in RS it is - Nidoqueen only got it by level in FRLG and Deoxys can only learn it in FireRed).

One could also make the case that the elemental Hyper Beams were the Kanto starters' signature moves since they're thematically linked to them. Blame XD for giving them to the Johto trio too - that was probably what prompted Game Freak to give them to all starters from Gen IV onward.

And generally starter signature moves don't stay so for very long. The Hoenn and Unova only got to keep their signature moves for one generation; the Kalos ones didn't even keep theirs for the entirety of their generation.

You would certainly think the Lousy Three would have signature moves(s) though, that seems a weird omission.

 

[Axiemeister]

darkest lariat going from signature to TR after One generation is kinda the worst slight the owner of a signature move ever received. can't go lower from there

but also, signature moves have become a bit too common lately and i wish we had less of them. or at least not the stupid ones like lumina crash

 

[ScraftyIsTheBest]

The Johto starter trio interestingly is the only trio who has never really had a "signature move" or one designed with them in mind: not even retroactively.

The Kanto starters had the elemental Hyper Beams exclusive to them in FRLG and it's quite clear they're designed around Venusaur, Charizard, and Blastoise. The Hoenn starters themselves were the first to ever have signature moves: Leaf Blade for Sceptile, Blaze Kick for Blaziken, and Muddy Water for Swampert, though they lost that exclusivity in the next gen. The Sinnoh starters didn't have ones for a while, but in Legends: Arceus they all have honorary signature moves that even though they shared it with one other Hisuian Pokemon, were basically their honorary signature moves: Headlong Rush for Torterra, Raging Fury for Infernape, and Wave Crash for Empoleon.

So when you go down the list including those we have the following:
Kanto: Frenzy Plant, Blast Burn, Hydro Cannon
Johto: Nothing
Hoenn: Leaf Blade, Blaze Kick, Muddy Water
Sinnoh: Headlong Rush, Raging Fury, Wave Crash
Unova: Leaf Tornado, Heat Crash, Razor Shell
Kalos: Spiky Shield, Mystical Fire, Water Shuriken
Alola: Spirit Shackle, Darkest Lariat, Sparkling Aria
Galar: Drum Beating, Pyro Ball, Snipe Shot
Paldea: Flower Trick, Torch Song, Aqua Step

Hisui: Triple Arrows, Infernal Parade, Ceaseless Edge
LGPE: The Partner moves

Poor Johto starters...they truly are the neglected ones of the lot.

 

[Axiemeister]

speaking of which, the chikorita line gets all the attention of not receiving attention and is actually quite discussed as a result, which leaves the totodile line as the true forgotten starter of them all. yes it is the best starter of the three to use in-game, but? what else?? competitively feraligatr is about as unremarkable as meganium and people don't even remember it's forgotten.

 

[tada]

hitmontop's new animation. it looks like it has a butt plug.

 

[Bakugames]

I don't mind signature moves. "move bloat" feels like an issue that only exists if you're on a site like showdown and need to scroll through moves, but not something I've ever worried about in the games. I also think it makes each pokemon more unique, just like how irl animal species are extremely unique :)