(Little) Things that annoy you in Pokémon

[DrrT]

Now I got reminded about Spiky-eared Pichu as well. Not annoyed by it, it's just such a strange thing on its own, specially considering it was supposed to be a White Pichu initially (how would have that worked with Shinies?) and that it apparently traveled so much in time it's now dangerous. Did others like her exist? Is her inability to evolve only tied to time travel? Is she just a genetic rarity that could have turned into a spiky eared Raichu? Or are the spikes because of her time with Celebi? So many questions, and most important of all why was she created ,out of universe? It's an intetesting addition but I wonder what the thought process was behind her. If anything, she would be perfect on a Legends Celebi.

I like Cosplay Pikachu, but I doubt ZA will have anything similar to Contests. I do expect all megas, both XY and ORAS ones to return, including the two Primals- Kalos has too few legendaries of its own even if they make Hoopa catchable. Trough I guess they could also throw Lugia in because of the birds? I doubt all the Kalos dex is coming back, but who knows-after all the dex tasks don't really make sense in a digital one. We know so little of the game.

I've complained before and will again, GF is OBSESSED with letting the player only customize their char in ways GF approves of. They hate anything that is even slightly odd with gender and have artificially limited options for basically no reason on many occasions(how many gens did it take for women to be able to NOT carry a purse?).

Like, I'm not asking for a Saint's Row bulge slider or prosthetic limbs(though they should do that), but a character who wears larger than a size 2, actual color options for clothes, and removal of gender restrictions seem like basic options.

Sadly I have seen fans genuinely against SV not having gender-locked hairstyles and clothes. It would be baffling if I didn't know better about how most of the gaming audience is.

 

[ant4456]

I've complained before and will again, GF is OBSESSED with letting the player only customize their char in ways GF approves of. They hate anything that is even slightly odd with gender and have artificially limited options for basically no reason on many occasions(how many gens did it take for women to be able to NOT carry a purse?).

Like, I'm not asking for a Saint's Row bulge slider or prosthetic limbs(though they should do that), but a character who wears larger than a size 2, actual color options for clothes, and removal of gender restrictions seem like basic options.

The reason is Game Freak in general seems to have a very conservative view of Gender that often puts it at odds with a lot of other games nowadays, especially as Nintendo themselves do a lot of non-binary-ificating their games.

 

[R_N]

L:A & SV did wind up going the the more "neutral" route.
There are gendered differences about the clothing but they're pretty minor
Like the only difference between the majority of Rei & Akari outfits is Akari has an obi while Rei has a smaller belt. And most of the other outfits dont have any real thing going on at all. The hairstyles differ a little more, but even then they still get an equivalent amount and several are about the same as each other (Akari even gets to keep the unaltered Cyrus & Volo cuts, which is surprising).

SV doesn't differentiate any of the hair and make up options. The outfits are all approximately the same as well. For however few exist, mind you.

Now I do think that the free camera probably played a role here. A lot of the uniformity probably stems partially from them not wanting to give skirts & dresses in a game where you can pretty easily swing it around. It wouldn't surprise me if Z-A also lacks these hot ticket fashion items. But I'm guessing trends in gaming proabbly also contributed. also dev time considerations lmao

e: Also not for nothing, but ORAS didn't even have customization at all and they probably didn't want to bother making more than needed for the super contests. So Brendan & May get their one (1) correlation outfit for their overworld model you see for a few seconds and a cut in artwork.
And then dip.
Pikachu gets preferential treatment, because it's Pikachu and something you'll be using (hypothetically) more throughout the game (or contests).

 

[DetectiveDaikon]

Minor thing, Headlong Rush is a Ground Type move, so while Aero would definitely appreciate it (stronger than EQ at base, much less if Mega comes back with Tough Claws), it would be replacing coverage rather than STAB for it.

That said I don't see Headlong for it, because the mons it's currently accessible to all share a general theme of huge, bulky, and slow/cumbersome builds to match the move's origin as a Sumo Wrestling term, something Aerodactyl doesn't conform to very much.

I did double check, and there is a move called Mighty Cleave that is 95 BP and contact so they should start handling that out to rock types soon next gen, that'll probably surge Aero to Uber level,

Imo its imperative cause Rock Types really don't have high BP moves and stall needs to be halted

 

[pika pal]

I did double check, and there is a move called Mighty Cleave that is 95 BP and contact so they should start handling that out to rock types soon next gen, that'll probably surge Aero to Uber level,

Imo its imperative cause Rock Types really don't have high BP moves and stall needs to be halted

That move is the signature of one of the new Paradoxes (Iron Boulder), so that's not likely to see distribution among generic Rock Types any time soon.

 

[DetectiveDaikon]

We probably will but I am guessing there likely wont be very many just because the pool of available gens to make megas out of has expanded considerably. Even if they mark Gen 8 & 9 as a no-go, and maybe give Gen 3 a rest since it had major ORAS focus, it's still 6 generations of Pokemon to draw on.

It'll be lame if they kinda rehash the format with gen 2 megas and only one starter has a very good mega, while the other 2 are kinda mediocre, like Typhlosion for example has a huge problem with its speed so raising that to 125-135 and its SP Atk to 139 would be banger and giving it the grass typing maybe would correct it cause its a liked mon design wise but competitively is mid atm in its base and a ability like Drought or Sheer Force would be chefs kiss

Now for Feral.. They're likely to give Feraligatr Adaptability and a dragon typing cause so many megamons have tough claws

Nevertheless I think we'll get a few, with what Palword did with AI, they should be able to use to create designs and concepts for new Mega Mons, as many mons didn't get megas because of simply cause gamefreak just couldn't think of a idea of how to design the mega form for said mon

 

[DetectiveDaikon]

That move is the signature of one of the new Paradoxes (Iron Boulder), so that's not likely to see distribution among generic Rock Types any time soon.

I say this with the implication they give it to mons and break up the signature ability schtick quickly since E-Speed for example was Arcanines signature move and Shift Gear was for Kling-Klang before they shared it with other mons just 1 to 2 gens later

I see little reason to gatekeep it especially for a subpar above average decent paradox mon

 

[ScraftyIsTheBest]

In a vacuum the only Pokemon who will ever truly keep their signature moves as exclusive to themselves are restricted legendaries since those Pokemon are stars of the franchise in their own special tier above everyone else and their signature moves are a major and crucial part of their lore and design. Many former signature moves have and will become more widely distributed and generic. Even Blaze Kick, Heat Crash, Mystical Fire, and Darkest Lariat, which were originally exclusive to Blaziken, Emboar, Delphox, and Incineroar respectively, became widely distributed generic moves in Sword and Shield that even had TRs or TMs to teach many Pokemon those moves. Leaf Blade, Muddy Water, and Spiky Shield also all became more widely distributed. Many generic signature moves in newer generations are now generic as well. Psychic Fangs was originally exclusive to Bruxish, but ever since Gen 8 it has become a widely distributed TM/TR move that many Pokemon use as physical Psychic STAB. First Impression also has a fair number of users. And so on and so forth. More current signature moves can and will become more widely distributed.

That being said, Mighty Cleave in particular seems fairly hard to distribute more widely based on its flavor. Looking at its move description: "The user wields the light that has accumulated atop its head to cleave the target.", this particular flavor involves light accumulating atop one's head and then doing a cleave/slash with it as a blade. I don't think most generic Rock-types really have the particular build to form light on their heads much less use a blade. Iron Boulder in particular accumulates light on its horns and then uses its horns to slash. Generally when they do distribute such moves more widely, they apply them to other Pokemon based on flavor and whether it makes logical sense for the Pokemon to use the move and Mighty Cleave just doesn't feel that easy to give out to more Pokemon.

 

[DrPumpkinz]

In a vacuum the only Pokemon who will ever truly keep their signature moves as exclusive to themselves are restricted legendaries since those Pokemon are stars of the franchise in their own special tier above everyone else and their signature moves are a major and crucial part of their lore and design. Many former signature moves have and will become more widely distributed and generic. Even Blaze Kick, Heat Crash, Mystical Fire, and Darkest Lariat, which were originally exclusive to Blaziken, Emboar, Delphox, and Incineroar respectively, became widely distributed generic moves in Sword and Shield that even had TRs or TMs to teach many Pokemon those moves. Leaf Blade, Muddy Water, and Spiky Shield also all became more widely distributed. Many generic signature moves in newer generations are now generic as well. Psychic Fangs was originally exclusive to Bruxish, but ever since Gen 8 it has become a widely distributed TM/TR move that many Pokemon use as physical Psychic STAB. First Impression also has a fair number of users. And so on and so forth. More current signature moves can and will become more widely distributed.

That being said, Mighty Cleave in particular seems fairly hard to distribute more widely based on its flavor. Looking at its move description: "The user wields the light that has accumulated atop its head to cleave the target.", this particular flavor involves light accumulating atop one's head and then doing a cleave/slash with it as a blade. I don't think most generic Rock-types really have the particular build to form light on their heads much less use a blade. Iron Boulder in particular accumulates light on its horns and then uses its horns to slash. Generally when they do distribute such moves more widely, they apply them to other Pokemon based on flavor and whether it makes logical sense for the Pokemon to use the move and Mighty Cleave just doesn't feel that easy to give out to more Pokemon.

I could maybe see Gigalith getting it but that's about it.

Would honestly be the first time they did anything of substance with Gigalith's weird flavor of gathering solar energy into beams.

EDIT: actually you know what no I'm not letting Gigalith off the hook that easily



What the fuck is going on with the flavor of this line? You got some blind rock guys that live in caves and navigate by sound. Cool. The rock guys have an energy core within them that eventually erupts from their bodies as crystals and lasers. Cool. Not really related to the whole sound thing, but cool. Also not sure why you'd then go and make them all-in on physical, but whatever. The core collects solar energy and can only fire lasers when there's sunlight. Why the fuck do they live in caves then? And why did you give them sand-themed abilities? Why did you give Gigalith Sand Stream??? Why is the only hint that they have anything to do with the sun Gigalith's ability to learn Solar Beam through TM?

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[A_Wild_Noob_Appeared!]

Semi-related to the Gigalith thing:

Stonjourner is based on Stonehenge, an ancient and mysterious monument which has associations with solar cycles and mystical practices. When I first saw it, my thoughts were "Wow, this seems like a really great opportunity to have a Rock-type special attacker, and/or a Rock-type which is a good SpD tank, since those are both somewhat uncommon! There's even a thematic recovery move in Morning Sun, which is also rare amongst Rock-types! What a great way to use themes to subvert a type's usual tropes, wait what's this–"

 

[candyandcotty]

Silver's strained relationship with his father should have been a bigger part of GSC. This was a missed opportunity in my opinion.

 

[DetectiveDaikon]

In a vacuum the only Pokemon who will ever truly keep their signature moves as exclusive to themselves are restricted legendaries since those Pokemon are stars of the franchise in their own special tier above everyone else and their signature moves are a major and crucial part of their lore and design. Many former signature moves have and will become more widely distributed and generic. Even Blaze Kick, Heat Crash, Mystical Fire, and Darkest Lariat, which were originally exclusive to Blaziken, Emboar, Delphox, and Incineroar respectively, became widely distributed generic moves in Sword and Shield that even had TRs or TMs to teach many Pokemon those moves. Leaf Blade, Muddy Water, and Spiky Shield also all became more widely distributed. Many generic signature moves in newer generations are now generic as well. Psychic Fangs was originally exclusive to Bruxish, but ever since Gen 8 it has become a widely distributed TM/TR move that many Pokemon use as physical Psychic STAB. First Impression also has a fair number of users. And so on and so forth. More current signature moves can and will become more widely distributed.

That being said, Mighty Cleave in particular seems fairly hard to distribute more widely based on its flavor. Looking at its move description: "The user wields the light that has accumulated atop its head to cleave the target.", this particular flavor involves light accumulating atop one's head and then doing a cleave/slash with it as a blade. I don't think most generic Rock-types really have the particular build to form light on their heads much less use a blade. Iron Boulder in particular accumulates light on its horns and then uses its horns to slash. Generally when they do distribute such moves more widely, they apply them to other Pokemon based on flavor and whether it makes logical sense for the Pokemon to use the move and Mighty Cleave just doesn't feel that easy to give out to more Pokemon.

I wish you had pinged me, I didn't see this last night, I'd argue mons like Absol, given the horn on its head, Mega Aero has a rock horn on its head, Heracross somewhat, Kinggambit as well, it is an "OP" move since it bypasses protect/detect so gamefreak might just make a separate 90 BP rock type contact move instead

I think the issue is the animation that definitely gatekeeps it but I think they work around it, Dugtrio knows sucker punch despite literally having no hands and knows hone claws as well, and even Gulpin knows ice punch despite literal stubs for hands

 

[TerrickTerran]

Annoying thing...that sucker punch is called that so then everyone thinks its a punching attack (it isn't)

 

[R_N]

I am, as always, absolutely fascinated by people only taking Sucker Punch literally when I've always heard it used both its namesake and also just generic underhanded behavior.

For years and years and years....

 

[QuentinQuonce]

Now I got reminded about Spiky-eared Pichu as well. Not annoyed by it, it's just such a strange thing on its own, specially considering it was supposed to be a White Pichu initially (how would have that worked with Shinies?)

Well, I guess it'd just have been another alternate form. Like, shiny Pichu is dark yellow, this one is white.

and that it apparently traveled so much in time it's now dangerous. Did others like her exist?

Possibly (though probably not specifically other Pichu): it's alluded to that Celebi has sent lots of people and Pokemon through time, though I believe the SEP is a special case because it's done a massive amount of time-travelling - others may only have had one trip.

Is her inability to evolve only tied to time travel?

Yes, iirc this is specifically addressed in-game.

Is she just a genetic rarity that could have turned into a spiky eared Raichu? Or are the spikes because of her time with Celebi? So many questions, and most important of all why was she created ,out of universe? It's an intetesting addition but I wonder what the thought process was behind her. If anything, she would be perfect on a Legends Celebi.

This one's a bit more ambiguous. Perhaps it's a standalone genetic mutation; perhaps it's a wound (the original name of Notched-Ear Pichu is a bit more suggestive of this); perhaps it's just what Pichu from the past used to look like - the SEP is said to have originated from the past, after all. I always found it funny that it's apparently recognisable enough for the Pokecentre attendants to instantly block it (though that's obviously just a gameplay contrivance) - what about a tufty/spiky ear is so unusual exactly?

It would be cool if they brought it back at some point and expanded on it. A Legends:Johto game could do a lot with it as a supporting character.

 

[R_N]

I don't think the spiky-eared hair is meant to be notable, to be fair
or, like, yes obviously for merchandising reasons it is notable but in the context of the universe it's not meant to be special special, if that makes sense?

I kind of doubt we ever see it again, it's even less notable than Ash-Greninja (RIP) and Cosplay Pikachu. The fact it got into Ultimate as a Pichu alt is probably a small miracle (that honestly shouldn't have happened because it's so minor a change, but I digress).

 

[Esserise]

Possibly (though probably not specifically other Pichu): it's alluded to that Celebi has sent lots of people and Pokemon through time, though I believe the SEP is a special case because it's done a massive amount of time-travelling - others may only have had one trip.

With Pichu being a baby Pokémon, the connection that always came to my mind was Celebi’s Pokédex entries that mention it leaving behind “an egg from the future.” I feel like SEP could be a Pokémon that hatched from one of those time-displaced eggs.

A thing that annoys me about SEP is that, while she certainly is a very minor concept in the grand scheme of things, I don’t really understand why they couldn’t make her compatible with Black & White and any future games. Locking her out of DPP for compatibility reasons, sure, I get that. But if they had the foresight to program things like the Zorua and Zoroark events into BW, why did they not just let players bring Spiky-eared Pichu along? And while I don’t expect 2009/2010 Game Freak to necessarily have the same design philosophies as 2016+ Game Freak, SEP’s isolation stands out all the more in light of other, more recent frivolous minor form tie-ins that have been continually supported, like the Cap Pikachus, Dada Zarude, and Original Color Magearna.

 

[Samtendo09]

In a vacuum the only Pokemon who will ever truly keep their signature moves as exclusive to themselves are restricted legendaries since those Pokemon are stars of the franchise in their own special tier above everyone else and their signature moves are a major and crucial part of their lore and design. Many former signature moves have and will become more widely distributed and generic. Even Blaze Kick, Heat Crash, Mystical Fire, and Darkest Lariat, which were originally exclusive to Blaziken, Emboar, Delphox, and Incineroar respectively, became widely distributed generic moves in Sword and Shield that even had TRs or TMs to teach many Pokemon those moves. Leaf Blade, Muddy Water, and Spiky Shield also all became more widely distributed. Many generic signature moves in newer generations are now generic as well. Psychic Fangs was originally exclusive to Bruxish, but ever since Gen 8 it has become a widely distributed TM/TR move that many Pokemon use as physical Psychic STAB. First Impression also has a fair number of users. And so on and so forth. More current signature moves can and will become more widely distributed.

That being said, Mighty Cleave in particular seems fairly hard to distribute more widely based on its flavor. Looking at its move description: "The user wields the light that has accumulated atop its head to cleave the target.", this particular flavor involves light accumulating atop one's head and then doing a cleave/slash with it as a blade. I don't think most generic Rock-types really have the particular build to form light on their heads much less use a blade. Iron Boulder in particular accumulates light on its horns and then uses its horns to slash. Generally when they do distribute such moves more widely, they apply them to other Pokemon based on flavor and whether it makes logical sense for the Pokemon to use the move and Mighty Cleave just doesn't feel that easy to give out to more Pokemon.

Were the signature moves of the Paradoxes based on Legendaries meant to be distributed later on, though? As “generic” as some of them look and feels (Hydra Stream for example), I doubt they would be further distributed later on, given that an Ultra Beast with a signature move, Blacephalon and it’s Mind Blown, wasn’t distributed to any other Pokémon… albeit for good reason, lore-wise.

I know some signature moves from regular Pokémon does not have an excuse though. Accelerock, Snap Trap, Zing Zap and Barrage (before that one was removed SwSh onward) have no business to be a signature move or limited distribution to begin with given how generic or not-overly-specific they are.

 

[Ironmage]

Were the signature moves of the Paradoxes based on Legendaries meant to be distributed later on, though? As “generic” as some of them look and feels (Hydra Stream for example), I doubt they would be further distributed later on, given that an Ultra Beast with a signature move, Blacephalon and it’s Mind Blown, wasn’t distributed to any other Pokémon… albeit for good reason, lore-wise.

I know some signature moves from regular Pokémon does not have an excuse though. Accelerock, Snap Trap, Zing Zap and Barrage (before that one was removed SwSh onward) have no business to be a signature move or limited distribution to begin with given how generic or not-overly-specific they are.

While the mechanics are generic, Zing Zap does have a defined flavour niche in its JP name (which references spines). I could see it expanded so e.g. Ferroseed or Jolteon gets it, but not as much Luxray.

 

[Samtendo09]

While the mechanics are generic, Zing Zap does have a defined flavour niche in its JP name (which references spines). I could see it expanded so e.g. Ferroseed or Jolteon gets it, but not as much Luxray.

Well, at least that explains why the only other Pokémon that officially have this move is Pincurchin.

Accelerock doesn’t have the excuse, as it’s also called like that in Japanese. The only explanation is that Lycanrock Midday and Dusk are fast enough to hurl rock with their own running speed… but they are not even the fastest non-Mega Rock-type ever, Aerodactyl is. Accelerock is great to have, but ended up becoming a signature just for sake of it due to a lack of description on why Accelerock stayed that way.

 

[AztecCroc]

The only explanation is that Lycanrock Midday and Dusk are fast enough to hurl rock with their own running speed…

Contrary to what the animation shows, Accelerock does not throw rocks. The user rams the target, it's even a contact move.

 

[Rapti]

Nevertheless I think we'll get a few, with what Palword did with AI, they should be able to use to create designs and concepts for new Mega Mons, as many mons didn't get megas because of simply cause gamefreak just couldn't think of a idea of how to design the mega form for said mon

Palword didn't use Ai
hell, they didn't commit plagiarism, their designs are just derivative

makes me realize how few people are familiar with comics
or with videogames older than the 2000's
or with Hanna Barbera

...

...is anyone here older than 20?

if not, why are you using a forum?

 

[DetectiveDaikon]

Palword didn't use Ai
hell, they didn't commit plagiarism, their designs are just derivative

makes me realize how few people are familiar with comics
or with videogames older than the 2000's
or with Hanna Barbera

...

...is anyone here older than 20?

if not, why are you using a forum?

Honestly unless you have evidence, then dm me, but I definitely believe they used AI and a mix of plagiarism I mean there's no argument for Dinossoms resemblance to Goodra and Rayhounds mix with many mons I played a bit of Palworld but did lose interest a few months ago but again im a bit older but still young but I can't find a reason to play games as often,

That aside pokemon/gamefreak is definitely running out of design ideas, somethings gotta give, there's lots of animal in the world than most ppl think so the fact Meowth has several regional variants and things like Paradox mons exist is a somewhat concerning revelation

 

[DrPumpkinz]

That aside pokemon/gamefreak is definitely running out of design ideas, somethings gotta give, there's lots of animal in the world than most ppl think so the fact Meowth has several regional variants and things like Paradox mons exist is a somewhat concerning revelation

I would argue that putting new spins on already-used animals instead of using new animals is a sign that they're NOT running out of ideas.

 

[DetectiveDaikon]

I would argue that putting new spins on already-used animals instead of using new animals is a sign that they're NOT running out of ideas.

Except with animals we classify them differently and there are different types and adaptations, although I get your premise

like North White Rhino and White Rhinos or something a bit contrite like Crocodiles and Gharlials

Regional variants were cool as one off thing like Alolan Sandshrew and Vulpix line then it just got out of hand, people play Pokemon for completely new Pokemon to see whats different, not blatatant different versions of the same exact Pokemon from a prev gen