Let's talk about Custap Berry

Heh, Rampardos anyone? Maybe? Kinda?

Custap Berry (once it's legitified) seems like one of those super cool items that I need to abuse real soon now. Of course, faster Destiny Bond/Explosion sound like awesome fun time, but it might be potent even for extremely slow things like Rhyperior, I guess. Say 4/252/252 Rhyperior Swords Dances. Either something fast switches in (Starmie) or something slow switches in (Swampert). If it's fast, Endure the Surf and then Earthquake. If he's slower, than just Earthquake or something. I guess. I dunno.

The utility with Baton Passers not named Drifblim (Mawille?) sounds extremely handy too...

Basically, I can't think of ideas on the top of my head that are remotely good, but it has potential.
 
Trick Room has a –7 priority, so Custap Berry won't help it in any situation.

I'd also like to point out that if your Pokémon Endures and doesn't eat a berry right away, it's a pretty big giveaway that you have a Custap Berry. The same is true of Substitute for the most part.
 
TheMaskedNitpicker said:
Trick Room has a –7 priority, so Custap Berry won't help it in any situation.

I'd also like to point out that if your Pokémon Endures and doesn't eat a berry right away, it's a pretty big giveaway that you have a Custap Berry. The same is true of Substitute for the most part.
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But I don't think that people outside of smogon know about these abuses. Of course the smart ones will think something is wrong, but the don't know untill it hits them.
 
milotic111 said:
But I don't think that people outside of smogon know about these abuses. Of course the smart ones will think something is wrong, but the don't know untill it hits them.
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Let me rephrase. Once Custap Berry has been around for a month, people will know something is up if you Endure and no Berry is eaten. I'm talking long-term here. You're right that it'll surprise people at first.
 
milotic111 said:
It also doesn't work against positive priority's. See it as a half priority, quick-attack is still going to hit you first, but dracometeor not, if you don't use a negative priority move.
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The single most idiot berry ever. Just use Salac. Just switch in your priority Lucario and everythings fine.
 
Shiny Crobat said:
The single most idiot berry ever. Just use Salac. Just switch in your priority Lucario and everythings fine.
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Because it's clear that you haven't grasped the purpose behind this thread we are trying to find potential for this berry.

With that said, there are Pokemon, even with Salac isn't outspeeding crap, meaning that there are a lot of times Custap will outdo Salac.
 
Guys, the whole "priority Avalanche and Focus Punch" stuff doesn't work, as it doesn't chage priority, you just go first if both moves are the same priority. Since they're negative priority you'd still go last.
 
I decided to do some research on the flying/bug/fire/ice type pokemon that can use this berry to destiny bond. basically its trying to switch into stealth rock

drifblim
froslass
vespiquen

ok so basically drifblim could be holding a diff berry anyway to use unburden and destiny bond or actually baton pass the boost

froslass is fast enough to destiny bond and the berry wont help much

the one that interests me is vespiquen. what we have here is a pokemon that takes 50% from stealth rock. so just ev yourself to be able to come in on 2 stealth rocks and have your berry activate the next turn while you destiny bond. that can pretty much guarentee a kill.

here is every pokemon that can abuse this strategy of destiny bond + Custap berry:

PokémonBanette Cacturne Drifblim Dusknoir Froslass Gallade Gardevoir Gengar Mismagius Qwilfish Spiritomb Swalot Vespiquen Weezing Wobbuffet

after looking at this I think this is way too situational. It can work, and actually wobbuffet might be perfect for if you can ev him to be able to survive a cbtar crunch or cbhera megahorn. pretty much come into that they are now trapped and just destiny bond. the berry will let you go first. this could be helpful for a team with a very bad weak to that kind of pokemon.
 
Tangerine said:
Because it's clear that you haven't grasped the purpose behind this thread; we are trying to find potential for this berry.

With that said, there are Pokemon, even with Salac isn't outspeeding crap, meaning that there are a lot of times Custap will outdo Salac.
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Then make it clear.

It could help BP Pokemon like Umbreon (Curse) to BP to any other poke. Lickylicky of course. Recovery moves are obvious. Maybe status moves? A quick Will-o-Wisp to make sure you won't get KO'd.
 
With Wobbuffet, couldn't it work like this?

Tyranitar used Crunch
Wobbuffet took 98% damage
Wobbuffet used Counter
Tyranitar fainted

Opponent sends in Dugtrio
Custap Berry Activated
Wobbuffet used Destiny Bond
Dugtrio used Earthquake
Both dead
 
I almost think it would work better without Endure/Sub/whatever as people are less likely to see it coming... plus you could always fake a Choice Band/other item on something that usually carries it.
Shiny Crobat said:
Then make it clear.

It could help BP Pokemon like Umbreon (Curse) to BP to any other poke. Lickylicky of course. Recovery moves are obvious. Maybe status moves? A quick Will-o-Wisp to make sure you won't get KO'd.
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The point of the thread is to discuss uses for the berry. I didn't have a hard time understanding it!
iruchii said:
With Wobbuffet, couldn't it work like this?

Tyranitar used Crunch
Wobbuffet took 98% damage
Wobbuffet used Counter
Tyranitar fainted

Opponent sends in Dugtrio
Custap Berry Activated
Wobbuffet used Destiny Bond
Dugtrio used Earthquake
Both dead
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Yes - although if you didn't have Leftovers they'd know something was up. (by the way you'd die from sandstream first =P)
 
the Lexx said:
I almost think it would work better without Endure/Sub/whatever as people are less likely to see it coming... plus you could always fake a Choice Band/other item on something that usually carries it.

The point of the thread is to discuss uses for the berry. I didn't have a hard time understanding it!
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You can't fake a choice band. It will deal less damage.

Who says I didn't understand it? It just wasn't clear.

Edit: Sandstream wasn't up?
 
the Lexx said:
Yes - although if you didn't have Leftovers they'd know something was up. (by the way you'd die from sandstream first =P)
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Hey, it was just an example. d:
Let's suppose that Tyranitar came in the turn Bronzong used Rain Dance, then OHKO Bronzong with a crit, and we sent in Wobbuffet. There.

And I believe some Wobbuffets do carry Lum Berry, no?
 
iruchii said:
Hey, it was just an example. d:
Let's suppose that Tyranitar came in the turn Bronzong used Rain Dance, then OHKO Bronzong with a crit, and we sent in Wobbuffet. There.

And I believe some Wobbuffets do carry Lum Berry, no?
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And some carry a Custap berry, so Lexx's point is worthless.
 
Wow since this is extended game imagine how broken this will be with in Ubers with Arceus. Drools at Wobbuffet->Smeargle->Arceus combo, although that will almost certainly be banned when the berry and Arceus come out.
 
Shiny Crobat said:
You can't fake a choice band. It will deal less damage.

Who says I didn't understand it? It just wasn't clear.

Edit: Sandstream wasn't up?
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If a Pokemon that usually holds a Cutsap Berry switches in, takes damage, and doesn't get leftovers recovery, most people will assume it carries said Cutsap Berry and act accordingly. Then you can do more damage that turn because they don't expect it.

Same applies for Choice Band vs Scarf etc where something like Band Heracross would switch on something with 300s speed and pretend to be Scarfed.

And it was pretty clear, every single other user managed to get it.

Tyranitar has Sandstream.
Shiny Crobat said:
And some carry a Custap berry, so Lexx's point is worthless.
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Wobbuffet will 99% of the time carry Leftovers, it has no reason at all to use a Lum Berry.
 
the Lexx said:
If a Pokemon that usually holds a Cutsap Berry switches in, takes damage, and doesn't get leftovers recovery, most people will assume it carries said Cutsap Berry and act accordingly. Then you can do more damage that turn because they don't expect it.

Same applies for Choice Band vs Scarf etc where something like Band Heracross would switch on something with 300s speed and pretend to be Scarfed.

And it was pretty clear, every single other user managed to get it.

Tyranitar has Sandstream.

Wobbuffet will 99% of the time carry Leftovers, it has no reason at all to use a Lum Berry.
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Just use a CB and KO before using the berry?

So you're wasting Heracross with one hit if you could use Scarf instead?

It wasn't clear. He asked for ideas. That people assumed that was it, is another story. Also, people could see the topic without looking at his post by looking at other people's posts.

Look at the other guys Bronzong example.
 
Shiny Crobat said:
Just use a CB and KO before using the berry?

So you're wasting Heracross with one hit if you could use Scarf instead?

It wasn't clear. He asked for ideas. That people assumed that was it, is another story. Also, people could see the topic without looking at his post by looking at other people's posts.

Look at the other guys Bronzong example.
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If they're going to switch anyways then it's not "wasting heracross" when you're hitting them with 1.5x the attack power.

It was very clear. Either you are 1) retarded or 2) trolling, probably a mixture of both, either way knock it off.
 
the Lexx said:
If they're going to switch anyways then it's not "wasting heracross" when you're hitting them with 1.5x the attack power.

It was very clear. Either you are 1) retarded or 2) trolling, probably a mixture of both, either way knock it off.
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I'm just saying your arguments are wrong. Saying I'm retarded doesn't help the topic or your reputation.
 
Shiny Crobat said:
I'm just saying your arguments are wrong. Saying I'm retarded doesn't help the topic or your reputation.
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How are my arguments wrong? I've explained them clearly.

Let me break it down for you.

What I said:
I almost think it would work better without Endure/Sub/whatever as people are less likely to see it coming... plus you could always fake a Choice Band/other item on something that usually carries it.
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I explained that because they would act as if they carried a Cutsap Berry, you could deal extra damage - the reverse works as well. Yes, they may figure it out eventually, but in Pokemon 1 turn can change the tide of the battle. Note the "other item" that expands the possibilities to other less obvious items that would also catch them unexpected.

You made a comment here:
So you're wasting Heracross with one hit if you could use Scarf instead?
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Which is totally wrong. Since you seem to not have encountered this strategy before let me point it out: Let's say they have just killed one of your Pokemon with Infernape. You send out Heracross. They think it's scarfed (why else would you send one out?) and switch to something which proceeds to take a 1.5x power attack. It can be risky, but isn't that uncommon.

The Bronzong example was made after your point about Sandstream in effect by the way.

And everybody else seemed to understand the OP, which clearly means the OP wasn't at fault.
 
the Lexx said:
How are my arguments wrong? I've explained them clearly.

Let me break it down for you.

What I said:

I explained that because they would act as if they carried a Cutsap Berry, you could deal extra damage - the reverse works as well. Yes, they may figure it out eventually, but in Pokemon 1 turn can change the tide of the battle. Note the "other item" that expands the possibilities to other less obvious items that would also catch them unexpected.

You made a comment here:

Which is totally wrong. Since you seem to not have encountered this strategy before let me point it out: Let's say they have just killed one of your Pokemon with Infernape. You send out Heracross. They think it's scarfed (why else would you send one out?) and switch to something which proceeds to take a 1.5x power attack. It can be risky, but isn't that uncommon.

The Bronzong example was made after your point about Sandstream in effect by the way.

And everybody else seemed to understand the OP, which clearly means the OP wasn't at fault.
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About the bronzong thing: it doesn't mean I didn't mean the same.
 
I disagree that Custap Berry will be all that predictable. DP has several items that don't make themselves readily apparent. Leftovers/Black Sludge/Life Orb/Burn Orb/Toxic Orb are pretty hard to miss because of their every turn effects, but there are a lot of viable items with no such precondition.

1. Choice Scarf:

Some Scarfers are so fast (Gar, Chomp) that you can't really tell if they're using a Scarf or not. This applies less to Bands and Specs, unless they're mixed sets using the non-boosted attack stat.

2. Focus Sash

Unless your pokemon would have been OHKO'd, your opponent won't know about this.

3. Expert Belt

Unless you're an expert at mental damage calculation, this will almost never be readily apparent, especially with restricted damage clause or on wifi.

4. Any SE reduction berry. You can't tell if Magnezone has Shuca Berry until it gets hit by Earthquake.

5. Lum Berry

No status, no activation.

I think the most powerful application thus far has already been provided: Custap Explosion.

No one wants Lickilicky or Snorlax to go Boom in their faces, it is almost certain death.

Custap BP is also interesting, especially for slow BP'ers or Curse-passers.

I could also see Custap Curseswine become very popular. Curse a few times, and when you get hit to Low HP, you can use a Hyperpowerful Earthquake rather than relying on Curse'd Ice Shard. Swine also has the advantage of being immune to all weather damage.

Endure/Custap would also allow you to take out things like a fully DD'd Gyarados. You wouldn't even be susceptible to Waterfall flinch.
 
azntrumpet said:
Wow since this is extended game imagine how broken this will be with in Ubers with Arceus. Drools at Wobbuffet->Smeargle->Arceus combo, although that will almost certainly be banned when the berry and Arceus come out.
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If you don't use a Salac on Smeargle, Arceus can be outspeed by stuff (although Extremespeed ought to take care of those). However, why would this be banned? Arceus is uber. There is no such thing as "too powerful" for ubers, as ubers is by definition unbalanced.
 
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