League of Legends: Let's Talk About uhhh??

Jacky looks so tiny next to Saint and Voyman...

He is affectionately named "little asian man", so...

Srs though I think it will be interesting to see if edward/cop can adapt to each other's playstyles and how much (my prediction is very little if at all) the fact that English is not edward's first language affects their team communication.

It won't, Edward's actually pretty good at English now relative to non-Alex Ich members of Gambit.
 
going all out AP without rabadons OP

To be fair, Rabadon's honestly has less of an impact than either Liandry's (against low MR targets, like if nobody's building MR) or Void Staff (against medium to high MR targets--and against Karthus, most will build MR) as a single damage item.

And before anyone cites the Reign of Gaming article on Liandry's versus Void Staff, keep in mind that I've done my own personal estimates--usually you want Liandry's+Rabadon's if nobody's buying MR and Void Staff+Rabadon's if people are. If Karth is landing consecutive Q's, which in a teamfight he ought to be, that's going to give him better DPS than Liandry's in most cases.

Speaking of said article, DFG+Void Staff tends to result in better burst damage for mages than Liandry's ever will.
 
btw i show u guys most beautiful league player


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Played Aatrox on PBE and he's p. fun overall. Especially his Q. Feels like a mini Malph ult on a way lower CD.

Full Build: Mercs (zephyr) / Bork / Hydra / LW / Randuin / Visage. Maybe throw in a Maw somewhere.
Skill Order: R > W > E > Q.

One thing to keep in mind though - despite all the hype the Champion Spotlight brings up (and there really is an unusually high amount of hype on this champ), Aatrox's early game suffers from the fact that his base HP is absolute trash (second lowest in the game as melee - just barely passing Katarina). If you pick a strong all-in early champ like Riven he probably won't enjoy that.

I wonder if a tank build can work but the ad ratios on his W seem too high to pass up. That and they threw away his only on-demand defensive steroid (his ult gave HP based on how many champs hit) to make his passive stronger. Eh I think i'll just build dmg on this guy.

Havent tried a crit build yet.
 
After 1 trillion games in Silver 1 with +3/4 LP, I am finally in Gold Promo. I lost 5/7 games (4 in a row) and dropped from 95 to 51. Then I somehow got +27, +18, -3 and then and straight into promo. Strange system. So far I'm 1/1, first game was a disaster where they were just better than us (well we got invaded and I had no leash)... Our mid ezreal afked for the first 3 mins and lost by about 120 cs by 25mins. Next game I was Kat and their bot lane got a double kill and I decided to roam where I then got a double. Their LB had NFI, kept using W to CS where I just got free ultimates off. Hope I can just get out of this hole to see if I can do well in Gold.
 
To be fair, Rabadon's honestly has less of an impact than either Liandry's (against low MR targets, like if nobody's building MR) or Void Staff (against medium to high MR targets--and against Karthus, most will build MR) as a single damage item.

And before anyone cites the Reign of Gaming article on Liandry's versus Void Staff, keep in mind that I've done my own personal estimates--usually you want Liandry's+Rabadon's if nobody's buying MR and Void Staff+Rabadon's if people are. If Karth is landing consecutive Q's, which in a teamfight he ought to be, that's going to give him better DPS than Liandry's in most cases.

Speaking of said article, DFG+Void Staff tends to result in better burst damage for mages than Liandry's ever will.

It is dependant on your current AP and whether or not you bought Abyssal. This is because MPen has diminishing returns, while AP does but much less so.

RoG's article concluded that at around 200 AP with Sorc Shoes, 9MPen marks and using a 0.4 ratio skill, Rabadons > Void Staff (iirc).

Liandries is superior on Poke champs (Nidalee, Lux when played a certain way) and DoT heroes with slows (Rumble, Teemo). For Burst champs, or the 'Mages', they may find it favourable to build Deathcap + Void Staff most of the time so they can do their job better. That is, to fuck shit up fast. For example, Annie and Leblanc go for the instant burst damage to destroy squishes and quickly give their teams an edge in team fights. Buying Liandres on either would be highly situational.

Ultimately, Void Staff should generally come before Rabadons in a standard item build, Liandries vs. Void Staff depends on the champ, and Rabadons > Liandries at large AP values and on high ratio champions.
 
Erm magic penetration has better returns as you get more of it because the less MR they have the more valuable additional penetration is. Same goes for armor penetration.

That is why you almost always see penetration builds rush the penetration items first. For example, many Elise rush Sorcs=>Haunting Guise=>Void Staff because the flat and % penetration stacks really well this season and the more penetration you have the more effective additional penetration is.

In b4 jokes about the word penetration.
 
cloud 9 is the best team in the NA LCS right now and all they're doing is mimicking the koreans

while they may not finish in 1st i would be EXTREMELY surprised if they didn't place in the top 3

people will be calling meteos the best jungler in north america within four weeks
 
There are tons of great players near the top of the solo queue ladder that aren't on professional teams; just because they aren't well known does not mean they aren't as good or better than the professional players.

That's why surprisingly few of the most well-known professional players are even close to challenger (Dyrus, Oddone, XSpecial, St.Vicious, Chauster...). The simple fact is that there are a lot of really, really good players out there; most of the pros simply have been near the top of the ladder since season 1, and as such have established connections and a reputation, and are considered "known quantities" under pressure.

It would not in the least surprise me if the top five non-professional solo queue ladder players beat the NA All-Star team head to head.

In all honesty most of the professional players aren't really THAT good...what they are is flexible. They can play at a high level with a large number of champions (this is excluding the pros who are simply really amazing players, like WildTurtle or Sneaky) but aren't necessarily better than many other players are given their best champion (in part because they have to be flexible with their champion picks, and so don't get as many chances to practice their "main" champions). I don't think its a surprise at all that Cloud9 is doing as well as they are because if you look at the ladder ratings literally all of their players are in the top 50 on the North American server. The reality is that the practice those players get in solo queue is a much higher level than the practice that players like Dyrus or Oddone get, being mid Diamond 1 (for reference, that means that Dyrus and Oddone get to practice with me whereas Cloud9 players get to practice with Pobelter, Ecco, Megazero, and so forth).

Many if not all of the established professionals were at one time either the best or among the best at their position; but if you do not stay diligent you will not remain the best for very long. This is why I think that Doublelift, once the undisputed best AD Carry in North America and possibly the world, is the third best AD at best right now, behind WildTurtle and Sneaky. Mechanically he is still the LoL version of jesus but his game sense and awareness have always been lacking, and people are starting to be able to exploit that more and more as the game has opened up and become a lot more versatile.

In other words I doubt that the NA All-Star team for Season 4 (if there is one) will have any of the same players on it that were on it this year (unless the fans vote in someone who does not deserve to be there). I think this is the other reason that the North American teams don't do well internationally: they are known, predictable, and not even necessarily the best that NA has to offer talent wise.
 
Where did they even find this guy? How did no one else find him first?

He casually played in a few Go4LoLs and won them with his team, but never went pro because apparently their top laner was too young. Later on, he became friends with WildTurtle (who was C9's former ADC) and subbed for them a few times. Since C9 needed a jungler, Meteos joined the team permanently, and eventually helped the team take first at MLG Winter back in March. He was pretty unknown before then.
 
Few things

Cloud 9 starting strong atm but I feel like they're getting a little too much hype. This whole 'copy koreans' playstyle might end up being too linear and exploitable as the season goes on, and probably won't do them a lot of favors if they face the Koreans themselves.

Based on Allstar performance I still have no doubt that Doublelift is the best ADC NA, though his playstyle requires some puppet strings so he doesn't die too much. The allstar team even took advantage of Doublelift's map weakness and got some bait kills. In any case, according to dbl himself:
"There is no best - only world class"

I believe Solo Queue is a worthless training method and constant exposure to the ladder can lead to bad habits (see: DJ Lambo's ganking when he subbed for Dig in the LCS). At the pro level it's only useful to get the basics down and make yourself feel somewhat comfortable. As far as I'm concerned - from watching streams, people like to troll up in there in Diamond 1 / Challenger occasionally so practicing off that is rather unproductive.
 
and probably won't do them a lot of favors if they face the Koreans themselves.
I feel like this is incredibly irrelevant because every single NA team will get their faces smashed into the floor by Koreans regardless of their strategy because they simply do not have the same level of play, mechanics, understanding and eerie-Asian-perfection.

no1curr if NA team who copies Koreans will lose to Koreans because all NA teams will lose to them. For now, if C9 can keep executing their aggression they will keep winning in NA.

Not to mention I could get a team of pookar and his fellow Silver V chums and have them try the Korean strategies but would they beat TSM with them? No because you do need actual skill and gameplay capabilities to PULL OFF these strategies. C9 doesn't just copy Koreans, they successfully copy them to a degree that triumphs over NA teams. I can see them beating most of the EU teams as well.

Also lmao @ Curse forking over so much money for Edward and they lose their first game and will likely continue to lose. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Cop will always be too passive and too utterly useless. He is capable of passively playing at the NA pro level but he is a bad pro player because he does not understand aggression or how to autoattack in teamfights. Once Curse finally accepts he is only good at standing back and hitting R as Miss Fortune and benches him they will actually do something.

Better yet just put Chauster out to pasture and put Edward on CLG. Either Doublelift will make a fool of himself with a real world class support and we can all lol that he's so bad now, or they will smash faces.
 
While I agree Cop is probably the weakest pro ADC in NA atm, I think it's possible for Edward to mold his playstyle to something more threatening. Unlike Genja, who is known a similar playstyle to Cop, it has been stated that Cop is willing to take criticism and learn. Probably the only reason Saint is so adamant on keeping Cop on the team when better options have floated around for some time (Nien, Aphro). Cop's incredibly passive playstyle might've also been rooted from a possible distrust with his support and remained as Elementz rarely provided him with kill opportunities. I don't believe that Cop has the mechanical skills to be a world-class ADC, but he might just be able to actually autoattack as the split goes on.

Or maybe knowing when to die as an ADC. Chaox mentioned this on twitter a few days ago where he notes that this is what Cop doesn't understand that pretty much all the other pro ADCs do.
 
I'd probably put Cop over Maple/Zuna at least

I love watching Meteos play. Dude is good. I go out of my way to make sure I'm able to watch his streams
 
Saw the C9 vs TSM game, Regi didn't do his signature fresh air Shockwave, but screwed up every Shockwave anyway. Would like to see Dyrus put the heat on Regi for once, he is the reason why TSM won't ever beat a Korean team.
 
i've stopped following the LCS because it's like following collegiate basketball when the NBA is on
But collegiate basketball is the besttttttttttttttt. Except my team is done RIP MRN :(((((((((((

Worst 3 teams in LCS are Dig, Curse, and CLG. Of course it's only been a day, but I don't think many people would have predicted that
 
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