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Tournament LCBC - Commencement
- Thread starter Eseque
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i'm a bit disappointed to see a sudden announcement of a tournament format that the community didn't even know was up for consideration
when official tours are organised, there's lots of open discussion beforehand so that you can get feedback, gauge what people want, find out if people have any better ideas to suggest, etc etc. but that hasn't been bothered with here
and maybe its my ego talking, but as someone who's been particularly invested in LC for so long, it's frustrating that i get don't even get a tiny amount of input, and i'd imagine others feel the same. If things are managed properly then even newer people should be able to contribute ideas in situations like these
at least the format is okay though. imo it's a downgrade from a standard draft and we probably could've come up with a more interesting twist, but at the end of the day it's an LC team tournament so i'll have fun with it
when official tours are organised, there's lots of open discussion beforehand so that you can get feedback, gauge what people want, find out if people have any better ideas to suggest, etc etc. but that hasn't been bothered with here
and maybe its my ego talking, but as someone who's been particularly invested in LC for so long, it's frustrating that i get don't even get a tiny amount of input, and i'd imagine others feel the same. If things are managed properly then even newer people should be able to contribute ideas in situations like these
at least the format is okay though. imo it's a downgrade from a standard draft and we probably could've come up with a more interesting twist, but at the end of the day it's an LC team tournament so i'll have fun with it
Hello everyone!
Here are the tiers I really like in Little Cup Big Cup!
SV
SV
SV
SV
SV(?)
SWSH
SM
XY
BW
DPP
If you don't see your favorite tier on this list, you should argue for why it should be in this tour! (That means you: ADV, UU, DLC, Little Colo, LC Ubers, Baby Randbats, etc.)
Here are the tiers I really like in Little Cup Big Cup!
SV
SV
SV
SV
SV(?)
SWSH
SM
XY
BW
DPP
If you don't see your favorite tier on this list, you should argue for why it should be in this tour! (That means you: ADV, UU, DLC, Little Colo, LC Ubers, Baby Randbats, etc.)
so just lcpl?
would love to see adv, uu, and doubles all added to this and I believe they have the strongest arguments to round out a 12 slot tour with 4 sv + old gens.
Adv has seen an absolute ton of progress and play since its revival in spring of last year, getting added to both advpl and the adv slam, it has held a very active and passionate playerbase and I believe is a worthy add. Not to mention we will get to bring in resident mad man Shing into another lc tour.
This would be the perfect chance to get more people involved with UU by being in a forum, I know uu fans have been waiting for a long time for it. It has a good history thanks to uu legand Joltage and I think offers a very good change of pace to standard sv that people would appreciate if they gave it a shot, especially in regards to tera.
Lastly I think doubles is worth including, it draws in a whole other player base to the tour and has some of the most entertaining games to watch, all while keeping a very high skill ceiling. Really interesting tier that I think would fit very well into a larger tour like this.
Adv has seen an absolute ton of progress and play since its revival in spring of last year, getting added to both advpl and the adv slam, it has held a very active and passionate playerbase and I believe is a worthy add. Not to mention we will get to bring in resident mad man Shing into another lc tour.
This would be the perfect chance to get more people involved with UU by being in a forum, I know uu fans have been waiting for a long time for it. It has a good history thanks to uu legand Joltage and I think offers a very good change of pace to standard sv that people would appreciate if they gave it a shot, especially in regards to tera.
Lastly I think doubles is worth including, it draws in a whole other player base to the tour and has some of the most entertaining games to watch, all while keeping a very high skill ceiling. Really interesting tier that I think would fit very well into a larger tour like this.
Morning,
ADV should be included in this because its our most active oldgen with grape tylenol doing an incredible job with the tier. It is also definently competitive enough to be included in one of our forum team tours ever since the T Wave ban.
Im very indifferent to what else is included in this tournament. I think doubles would be fine since it is bringing in a playerbase that otherwise wouldn't be able to bring in this tour. I think a BO3 slot with SV/SS/SM could be cool as an alternative to SV5. I don't see why UU would be included here because the playerbase is just normal SV. Personal bias I would also just love to see 2 DPP or SWSH slots, but really I think including just about anything should be fine. ADV really should be included though
ADV should be included in this because its our most active oldgen with grape tylenol doing an incredible job with the tier. It is also definently competitive enough to be included in one of our forum team tours ever since the T Wave ban.
Im very indifferent to what else is included in this tournament. I think doubles would be fine since it is bringing in a playerbase that otherwise wouldn't be able to bring in this tour. I think a BO3 slot with SV/SS/SM could be cool as an alternative to SV5. I don't see why UU would be included here because the playerbase is just normal SV. Personal bias I would also just love to see 2 DPP or SWSH slots, but really I think including just about anything should be fine. ADV really should be included though
SV
SV
SV
SV
SWSH
USUM
ORAS
BW
DPP
ADV
DLC
BO3 (SV/SS/SM)
SV
SV
SV
SWSH
USUM
ORAS
BW
DPP
ADV
DLC
BO3 (SV/SS/SM)
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Speaking in my capacity as a player and not the tier leader, I support the inclusion of ADV and DLC as two of our final four slots (in addition to the eight slots from LCPL). Both tiers have distinct player bases, have received lots of attention and love as pet projects of the users running the show, and fit well into the atmosphere we're attempting to foster for this tour, which is one of including as many players as possible. I'm curious to see how others feel about slots 9-12 but this is my baseline opinion.
Seeing my Little Colosseum mentioned, I couldn’t resist making this post! >.> Without bias, Little Colosseum is a community runned tier with an active player base. It recently gotten a format and ladder for main and tours. And doesn't have a super overlapping community wich is probably a good thing when it comes to 12 slot tournament. I do believe its a competitve format but ofcourse thats just my opinion. (adv should be locked in imo)
I feel like this tour is the perfect opportunity to give visibility to tiers like DLC, ADV or LC UU, specially since these doesn´t have the chance to be played in other teamtours like LCPL.
As the TL of DLC I can say that we have a solid playerbase, enough to provide a decent pool for the tour. We have been expanding for years, with our own circuit, and the addition of the tier to the DOU teamtour, the Derby. I would love to see the tier in a LC teamtour, so it finally can have representation in both LC and DOU tours.
I feel like it will bring some diversity of players to the LC tours as well, DLC is well accepted in the unofficial LPL and gathers a lot of players from DOU. I definitely can see the same thing happening here.
As the TL of DLC I can say that we have a solid playerbase, enough to provide a decent pool for the tour. We have been expanding for years, with our own circuit, and the addition of the tier to the DOU teamtour, the Derby. I would love to see the tier in a LC teamtour, so it finally can have representation in both LC and DOU tours.
I feel like it will bring some diversity of players to the LC tours as well, DLC is well accepted in the unofficial LPL and gathers a lot of players from DOU. I definitely can see the same thing happening here.
Speaking in my capacity as a habitual LC host rather than the host of this tour in particular, I support the inclusion of UU, Doubles, and ADV. Having more tiers fits into this tour's ethos of inclusivity, but all of these specifically are well-established tiers with active and significant playerbases, as seen in LPL, LLL, and more broadly, which would greatly appreciate and benefit from representation in an LC forum teamtour, seeing that they are not currently in LCPL or LCWC.
If there are to be 3 annual LC forum teamtours going forward, representing these tiers in LCBC would make up for that replacement of 1 of the previous 2 yearly LPLs, given that both LPLs include these tiers (UU and Doubles being in every LPL since its inception, so for over 6 years). With UU having been in prior LCPLs, Doubles being in Doubles teamtours, and ADV being in Classic and ADVPL, this would not be anything unprecedented on the forums either. Also, I would note that 4 SV slots is already more than LCPL or 10-slot LPL, so not having yet another SV slot, or a slot that otherwise duplicates tiers already in the tour, e.g. Bo3, given that such slots would have to come at the expense of excluding one or more of the aforementioned tiers, is good.
TL;DR: I support 4SV / UU / Doubles / SWSH / SM / ORAS / BW / DPP / ADV as the slots for this tour.
If there are to be 3 annual LC forum teamtours going forward, representing these tiers in LCBC would make up for that replacement of 1 of the previous 2 yearly LPLs, given that both LPLs include these tiers (UU and Doubles being in every LPL since its inception, so for over 6 years). With UU having been in prior LCPLs, Doubles being in Doubles teamtours, and ADV being in Classic and ADVPL, this would not be anything unprecedented on the forums either. Also, I would note that 4 SV slots is already more than LCPL or 10-slot LPL, so not having yet another SV slot, or a slot that otherwise duplicates tiers already in the tour, e.g. Bo3, given that such slots would have to come at the expense of excluding one or more of the aforementioned tiers, is good.
TL;DR: I support 4SV / UU / Doubles / SWSH / SM / ORAS / BW / DPP / ADV as the slots for this tour.
As a manager who likes to have an understanding of what my players are doing and their preferences, and to be able to help wherever needed, I absolutely 100% will never sign up to manage if this tier is included. This would be horrible for literally every manager that isn't Quinn, as yeah, while it might have a small and good community being dedicated to it, none of these are (to my knowledge) potential managers. The main issue here tho is that while across DLC/LCUU/ADVLC etc, while there are obvious differences between the tier, all mons have the same stats, abilities and moves (with additions in later gens obviously as well as gen specific removals but not to an alarming extent). This means even for tiers where a manager and other teammates might want to do what they can to help, most mons are gonna play similarly between gens, and have similar potential, with minor deviations based on meta etc. Yes there are differences etc, like Gastly being bulky in gen 5 and purely offensive gen 7, but the core mon has the same stats and moves with just a few minor differences, and the main differences in how it functions in the metagame is based on the surrounding metagame and not the mon itself.
Little Colosseum, however, has massive changes to many of the top mons in the tier. They all play drastically different to what one would expect of the mons going in to a fresh metagame, and as a result teammates' experience with different LC tiers has no value almost at all. While you could argue a similar case in how mons function in say Doubles, which is a fundamentally different way of playing the game, the pokemon available are still gonna have the same moves, stats and options as in any other SV Metagame, and input can as a result be provided based on known interactions and movepool options from experience at a glance, making for a more inclusive team environment. With Little Colosseum we'd have to go to a doc, search for a mon and memorize every single stat change, ability change, movepool change etc (And some of these are stacked with changes). It's too much work and I'd argue too much to expect from managers and general teammates to have to fully learn what is essentially a whole different game, just to be able to give input in a slot in a tournament they're trying to win.
Not to hate on Little Colosseum, I find the concept intriguing and looking through the list many fun changes have been made. I just don't think it's suited for a team tournament related to LC. Not one bit.
I don't have too much to say but I'll always support tiers like DLC and LCUU being included in event like this. Especially since we'll only have LPL once a year now, letting these nicher LC tiers have a spot for a serious competitve setting would be great. I understand they're not the most popular of formats, but if they're never given the chance then they never will be. SV and LC old gens have plenty of other tours they're played in, let DLC and LCUU shine a little bit.
good evening little cup gamers
adv lc shouldn't need introduction at this point, it has been going strong since the 2023 revival and has an active playerbase that has supported showdown ladders, individual tournaments, and team tournaments, both in the lc community and the ruins of alph community. in addition to the existing active playerbase, i strive to keep sample sets, teams, and other resources (which you can view along with general information about adv lc here) up to date so that anyone who is interested can easily pick up the tier. adv lc is obviously unique as a format due to its mechanical differences from other generations but also draws a unique playerbase of both lc regulars and people who otherwise don't touch lc. i think these qualities make including adv lc a no brainer - it's a proven, easy to learn format with an active playerbase, including some players (Shing was already mentioned and is a favorite of mine) that we wouldn't see enter the tournament otherwise.
regarding other formats, i have no strong opinions - dlc comes to mind as another "no brainer" include similar to adv (established format, active playerbase, fun to spectate) but some of the more out there ideas like rby or mystery box speak to me as well. regardless of the formats chosen i am sure this tournament will be an exciting one and i am looking forward to it!
adv lc shouldn't need introduction at this point, it has been going strong since the 2023 revival and has an active playerbase that has supported showdown ladders, individual tournaments, and team tournaments, both in the lc community and the ruins of alph community. in addition to the existing active playerbase, i strive to keep sample sets, teams, and other resources (which you can view along with general information about adv lc here) up to date so that anyone who is interested can easily pick up the tier. adv lc is obviously unique as a format due to its mechanical differences from other generations but also draws a unique playerbase of both lc regulars and people who otherwise don't touch lc. i think these qualities make including adv lc a no brainer - it's a proven, easy to learn format with an active playerbase, including some players (Shing was already mentioned and is a favorite of mine) that we wouldn't see enter the tournament otherwise.
regarding other formats, i have no strong opinions - dlc comes to mind as another "no brainer" include similar to adv (established format, active playerbase, fun to spectate) but some of the more out there ideas like rby or mystery box speak to me as well. regardless of the formats chosen i am sure this tournament will be an exciting one and i am looking forward to it!
Free teraless sv lc as a slot :)
Im not gonna argue over whether tera is good for the game or not here anymore im tired of that. But I think giving people who want to play something a chance to play it is a good thing. In the same vein I argued for a vull sslc slot in lpl back when that was banned and people wanted to play it, despite liking non vull sslc too. Alternatively, do the tier selection that makes the most people mad.
Im not gonna argue over whether tera is good for the game or not here anymore im tired of that. But I think giving people who want to play something a chance to play it is a good thing. In the same vein I argued for a vull sslc slot in lpl back when that was banned and people wanted to play it, despite liking non vull sslc too. Alternatively, do the tier selection that makes the most people mad.
bo3 is an interesting idea, but considering the unique similarity in how SS and SM play right now and the mixed opinions on SV at the moment, im unsure if our best players would be interested. Id love to be proven wrong and be able to have this over a SV4 (as it would probably have a similar playerbase to SV1), or even just a standalone.
Good morning,
I’m here to advocate for the inclusion of LCUU in this tour (and doubles tbh, but I’m more invested in uu)
The tier has always been good, like for a long time. I came here in 2020 and we always had a consistent player base despite not being included in any official LC team tour.
Also a lot of LC tour players have tried it out, and in my experience many of those that have invested the time to learn it have come out of the tour enjoying the tier. Fille even won a money tour in between LPLs.
It has a wide variety of viable mons and strategies that are fun to build and play with, that create for matches that are good to spectate and different from the usual sv and old gens that already get a lot of spotlight in many tours.
All this said, my main question is "is this tour the occasion to include some tiers that are overlooked in regular forum tours?". Because if so, UU and dlc have been patiently waiting for a long time and definitely deserve a shot, otherwise it will be just a repeat of lcpl or lcwc (with maybe a bo3 slot I guess?).
I’m not even saying remove any old gens, my ideal format is the one proposed by Eseque
4SV / UU / Doubles / SWSH / SM / ORAS / BW / DPP / ADV
I’m here to advocate for the inclusion of LCUU in this tour (and doubles tbh, but I’m more invested in uu)
The tier has always been good, like for a long time. I came here in 2020 and we always had a consistent player base despite not being included in any official LC team tour.
Also a lot of LC tour players have tried it out, and in my experience many of those that have invested the time to learn it have come out of the tour enjoying the tier. Fille even won a money tour in between LPLs.
It has a wide variety of viable mons and strategies that are fun to build and play with, that create for matches that are good to spectate and different from the usual sv and old gens that already get a lot of spotlight in many tours.
All this said, my main question is "is this tour the occasion to include some tiers that are overlooked in regular forum tours?". Because if so, UU and dlc have been patiently waiting for a long time and definitely deserve a shot, otherwise it will be just a repeat of lcpl or lcwc (with maybe a bo3 slot I guess?).
I’m not even saying remove any old gens, my ideal format is the one proposed by Eseque
4SV / UU / Doubles / SWSH / SM / ORAS / BW / DPP / ADV
Hey fille most points you made about the tier i disagree with or don't think are true.
Already 1 manager (zcarlett) signed up that plays this tier and I think there are easily 1 or 2 more players capable of managing.wich imo is enough considering other tiers don't have more ? If your point is that not all managers are familiar with the tier i think this apply to most pairs singing up that they don't cover all tiers.
Right now there have been only 2 Pokémon that function completely different from their original design. Those don't require some magic code to solve what they do considering both just got 2 setup moves.
It does Mons is Mons and lc is lc someone like hacker picked up lc uu in 1 day why would this be different to little colosseum? He just open the builder and check the Mons.
Well yea as someone that have played both tiers doubles is much harder to learn since it's played very differently with dynamics. Little colosseum doesn't have any major changes to the Pokémon besides moveset and stats which also apply to old gens lc so not sure how those are then not hard to play?
Half true you do have to use a doc to check the changes made wich fwiw takes 10min tho you can also see this in the builder. You don't have to memorize everything since the builder just have it and you can use ps commands to verify
Well I do agree with it being a different metagame when it comes to time commitment I don't see that as a issue because so is dlc and adv and i still think these fit jn perfectly too. Learning little colloseum doesn't take more then 1 hour the Pokémon are super straightforward and most of them are very similar and got moveset/set changes to make them stronger. While you say this post was not hate towards lc I feel like it pretty much is lol? Most points you made apply to other tiers and that's completely fine so far suggestions all seems a amazing addition to the tournament and attacking 1 tier while doing barely any research is just od.
