It's Super Effective! Sometimes....

Cors

Been tinkering around with a Platinum team for a while now on Shoddy and I've finally come up with one I think works. It's still a work-in-progress though, so any input is greatly appreciated ^_^

Spiritomb @ Leftovers
Nature: Impish
Ability: Pressure
EV's: 252 HP / 252 DEF / 6 SP.DEF
Role: Lead

~Taunt
~Sucker Punch
~Pain Split
~Will o Wisp

Spiritomb works really well as a lead Pokemon. Normally, I'll try and taunt the opponent's lead straight away, but if I don't think they're going to set-up, then I'll Sucker Punch. The combo of Taunt/Sucker Punch works really well as the opponent is forced to attack me, meaning Sucker Punch will always hit. However, the opponent quite often catches on and switches, but I can usually tell when they are going to do this and Will o Wisp to burn the next Poke out.

Blissey @ Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Ability: Natural Cure
EV's: 200 HP/ 252 DEF / 58 SP.DEF
Role: Support / Special Wall / Annoying little beeyatch

~Toxic
~Wish
~Protect
~Flamethrower

I initially wanted to create a team full of completely OU Pokemon (Metagross, Salamence, Skarmory, Blissey etc) and give them completely unique attacks, to exploit how predictable the metagame has become (Special attacking BoltBeamTyranitar for example), however I couldn't really find much else that Blissey could do, aside from being a special sweeper/special wall with Calm Mind. I find that this set works really well, and a lot of the time results in the opponent exiting the battle. Generally, I'll use Toxic first, followed by Protect, for a little damage recovery. Then simply go Wish/Protect over and over. This keeps Bliss alive as the opponent slowly crumbles. Flamethrower is there for Steels who cannot be poisoned. The only main weakness here is Heatran, but I do have others to counter him, so it shouldn't be a problem *I hope*

Rotom-f @ Choice Specs
Nature: Modest
Ability: Levitate
EV's: 252 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 6 SPE
Role: Special Sweeper

~Blizzard
~Shadow Ball
~Signal Beam
~Thunderbolt

I know it's quite an unusual choice for a Special Sweeper, but he seems to be doing well, with his 508 Special Attack. Very little stands in his way. I've put 252 in HP so that he withstands a hit, whilst still being able to give out a few. I don't *think* there is anything which I wouldn't do at least neautral damage to, but if anyone spots something, let me know =]

Raticate @ Focus Sash
Nature: Brave
Ability: Guts
EV's: 252 ATT
IV's: 31 in ATT; 0 in everything else
Role: HP Hacker / WTF???!!!

~Endeavor
~Quick Attack
~Me First
~Sucker Punch

Haha, good old Raticate... not exactly your typical Poke, but he is so underestimated. Obviously too outclassed to move up any tiers, but if you use him right, he can wreck even the most viscous of Pokemon.
Firstly, his nature: I need this guy to be slow. I originally did him with max speed, but quickly realised that I need him to be slower than everything for Endeavor to actually be effective. If he's faster, he's not going to do much at all. Plus, with his other 3 moves being priority moves, there's really no need for a speed boost. So I've made him as slow as he can go.
When it comes to IV's and EV's, I need Raticate to actually take the biggest hit he can - he NEEDS to have awful HP and even worse defences, so that the majority of attacks are almost guaranteed to take him right down to a Focus Sash save. Then, all is needed is a Quick Attack, and the opponent is done. He even manages to do considerable damage to the next Pokemon who is brought out. If a Pokemon is left with 1HP, you're generally going to want to attack it straight away to take it out, which gives me the perfect chance to use Sucker Punch or Me First (ha, managed to do amazing damage to a Tyranitar who thought he could finish me off with a Brick Break - unlikely! Have it back! At 1.5x the power! :P)
There are of course obvious flaws with Raticate - ones which he shares with Shedinja: any status effect is going to cripple his strategy and he can say goodbye if Sandstorm/Hail/Spikes/Stealth Rock are around as well. Which is why I need a Rapid Spinner. And that's where the following comes in:

Claydol @ Flame Orb
Nature: Relaxed
Ability: Levitate
EV's: 252 HP / 52 ATT / 108 DEF / 98 SP. DEF
Role: Spinner/Trickster

~Trick
~Rapid Spin
~Explosion
~Body Slam

Ok, firstly, I'm still unsure why I've gone for Body Slam here... I'm sure there was a tactical reason. If anyone can point it out to me, then let me know.
Anyways, Claydol is Raticate's savoir. He must ALWAYS come out before Raticate. It's just a must, because Claydol can save the rat from anything which will mess up his strategy.
I've chosen Trick and the Flame Orb here, because outside of Toxic, there's nothing status-wise that Claydol can really accomplish. Trick is normally accompanied by some form of Choice item, so opponents often get a shock when they immediately get burned. Because of this item choice though, I must always use Trick first, or else I screw myself over.
Explosion is just obvious ^_^
And finally, the EV spread is simply to get both defences at exactly 300. With max HP EV's, it is a bit of a pain to take down. If only Claydol had a better recovery move than Rest though...

Suicune @ Life Orb
Nature: Modest
Ability: Pressure
EV's: 252 SP.ATT / 252 HP / 6 SP. DEF
Role: Special Sweeper

~Tailwind
~Extrasensory
~Hydro Pump
~Ice Beam

Haha, no one seems to expect a Tailwind Suicune, which is why I love her. One Tailwind and she just sweeps away. There's really not much more to say here...

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There we go. Rate away =]
 
well the raticate has much better options like
facade+flame orb+GUTS+STAB
FEAR works well on ratata raticate isn't that suited for it
 
So your main strategy is something that gets screwed by the most common move AND the most common Item, and to fix that, you need to use a Pokémon that you can't switch in on anything because of its held Item, which means that you will lose at least 2 Pokémon for a strategy that won't work? Oh, and Me First has 0 priority. And lol at you killing a Tyranitar with that Raticate. It's just not possible
 
"And lol at you killing a Tyranitar with that Raticate. It's just not possible"

Firstly, I didn't say killed.

Secondly, I was unaware that Me First had 0 priority. Chances are when I used it, Raticate was actually faster than Tyranitar anyway, which is why it hit.
 
Nice gimmicky team i must say, but if you want to use it as ur standart team u need to take out some pokes and redo the strategy. what i liked the most about this team was the Rotom and the Suicune.
BTW, i like Honchrow lead better than Spiritomb. make him: Taunt, Sucker Punch, Drill Peck & Hidden power Ice / Toxic.
it cannot be slept thanks to insomnia, it can actually kill some pokes and its not ussual either ;).

C-ya!
 
Intro1827 said:
So your main strategy is something that gets screwed by the most common move AND the most common Item, and to fix that, you need to use a Pokémon that you can't switch in on anything because of its held Item, which means that you will lose at least 2 Pokémon for a strategy that won't work? Oh, and Me First has 0 priority. And lol at you killing a Tyranitar with that Raticate. It's just not possible
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Why don't you provide some advices instead of saying "this team sucks" or something else? If you have read the RMT rules, you must know that if you're going to post in RMT, your post MUST have some advices for the team you are rating. Posts like it are totally useless.

Anyway, this team looks cool, but will this works effectively? I think raticate can have some possibilities, but with the common passive damages it has hard chances to come in and sweep. And if the enemy understand your strategy, he can simply status him, or go with a faster priority move (made from a faster pokemon, i mean). So if you don't want to change Raticate, because it's the "star" of the team, so don't do that, but i strongly suggest you to revise your general strategy, because it seems you need too much time to execute it. Anyway, now nearly everything can learn Trick, so why you go with Claydol? There are a lot of spinner that do this job better than Claydol, but I think the best is Starmie, with this set :

Starmie @ Leftovers
Timid Nature
Natural Cure
160 HP / 132 SpA / 216 Spe

-Ice Beam / Thunderbolt / Surf
-Recover
-Rapid Spin
-Ice Beam / Thunderbolt / Surf

Starmie can also learn Trick, so if you want to carry from Claydol the Trick-Flame Orb strategy, you can do it, but i don't recommend that. Starmie do his job really well with this set, and can also recover himself...with recover. :D

Another thing that i can see here, is that your team suffer very hard from status-inducer. A viable option is to change Blissey's moveset to this :

Blissey @ Leftovers
Calm Nature
Natural Cure
40 Hp / 252 Def / 216 Sp.Def

-Aromatheraphy
-Softboiled
-ThunderWave
-Seismic Toss

With this EV spread, it can take attacks also from the physical side, and can cure all your team mates from status. I suggest Thunder Wave instead of Toxic because it's very annoying, and i don't think you really need Toxic+Protect combo.

If you decide to introduce Starmie in your team, i strongly suggest to revise your Suicune. Maybe you can go with Kingdra, that has Outrage to play with now, and he don't get Super-Effective damages from electric attacks.
Here i list two types of Kingdra, a physical sweeper and a special sweeper. You can choice the one you like.

Kingdra @ Scope Lens / Leftovers / Lum Berry / Persim Berry
Adamant Nature
Sniper
4 Hp / 252 Atk / 252 Speed

-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Waterfall
-Return

Dragon Dance + Outrage is a scary threat, it can OHKO many OU common threats, and it's powerful. Waterfall + Return provides you with a great type coverage. Iron Head could be a viable option, but i don't think it can be useful. Give him Scope Lens if you want to abuse of Sniper ability, with Lum Berry/ Persim Berry to avoid confusion after the Outrage rampage, and with leftovers if you prefer some healing between turns.

Kingdra @ Life Orb / Damp Rock
Modest Nature
Swift Swim
120 Hp / 252 Sp. Atk / 136 Speed

-Rain Dance
-Surf / Hydro Pump
-Ice Beam
-Hidden Power [Electric]

After Rain dance, this thing can outspeed almost everything, and hit hard with Surf. Rain Dance + STAB is a good boost, that you can increase using Hydro Pump if you don't care about the lack of accuracy. Ice Beam / HP electric gives you the BoltBeam combo, providing you with a great coverage. Rain Dance can also help you to screw up Sandstorm or Hail, that are going to screw your Raticate's strategy. Go with Dump Rock if you want to maximize the durability of the rain, go with Life Orb for extra damages.

I hope i helped! Good luck with your team :D
 
on raticate me first will almost always fail because it is not a priority move but it only works if you go first
 
Look, if it works for you use it, but then use it effectively. Let me help you on that.

First of all like you said, you need a rapid spinner which you have. Thats a good thing, now you want something to change weather with. If you opt for kingdra what Andy89 suggested, you can give it Rain Dance. That way you make Rain here usefull for 2 pokemon, Kingdra and Raticate.

This raticate can really fuck teams up, if you want to let it beat more people, you can use Super Fang as it does half damage to like anything except ghosts. You kinda want the speed here however but you can try that out.

If you want to use Blissey you want the Aromatherapy Set which Andy89 gave you. IF raticate get's paralyzed or something then you can fix that with Aromatherapy. It's also a good wall and can cripple opponent's aswell with ThunderWave, look out for Dugtrio then. So ice Beam can fit somewhere. Then again this team kinda want Wish aswell. It's your choice.

Also, there are better Rapid Spinners than Claydol. Forretress and Donphan does a good job at it, and Starmie aswell. You can use all effectively so your choice. Claydol is just to weak in OU.

I can't really see any threat killing you that comes to my mind now, so you did that great. Your team inspired me to use UU pokemon's like Raticate effectively, and i really have a great idea with a Linoone. Overall good team ;)
 
Cors said:
Been tinkering around with a Platinum team for a while now on Shoddy and I've finally come up with one I think works. It's still a work-in-progress though, so any input is greatly appreciated ^_^

Rotom-f @ Choice Specs
Nature: Modest
Ability: Levitate
EV's: 252 HP / 252 SP.ATT / 6 SPE
Role: Special Sweeper

~Blizzard
~Shadow Ball
~Signal Beam
~Thunderbolt

Do you really need Signal Beam AND Shadow Ball/Blizzard? Apart from Dark Type those two moves hit every type Signal Beam hits for super effective. You could replace it with something like Hidden Power Fire for Scizor or HP Ground for Heatran?


Claydol @ Flame Orb
Nature: Relaxed
Ability: Levitate
EV's: 252 HP / 52 ATT / 108 DEF / 98 SP. DEF
Role: Spinner/Trickster

~Trick
~Rapid Spin
~Explosion
~Body Slam

Personally I think that if you really want to annoy a sweeper etc, Trick a macho brace onto it rather than Flame Orb, Heracross won't like a Muscle Band....
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