Implications of Sandstorm discussion.

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its problematic though, because even if ttar gets banned, hippowdon + rhyperior is still pretty ridiculous :/
 
its more of an issue with sandstream than the actual pokemon. ttar, aero and rhyperior will always be good no matter what, but with non stop sandstream, they just become insane

i cant really see a way to include ttar and hippowdon in standard OU play without things getting ridiculous, just because of their traits...
 
No, I do not think Tyranitar will/needs to be moved to uber...

Here's why: with pokes like Gyarados and Heracross, who are capable of raping entire teams people didn't bump them up to uber (although Heracross deserves it) did they?

No, they simply decided that every team should have some some way to counter it quickly, like Gliscor for Heracross, I simply think that this will make it imperative for every team to have a Tyranitar counter...

Besides Manaphy really messes Tyranitar up (especially hydration Manaphy)

The way i see it is if T-Tar goes, so should Hippowdon, as Hippowdon can make Rhyperior even more of a threat than Tyranitar used to be...

I think this new revelation is important and there should try to be a sandstrom counter (rather than just a T-Tar counter), this could just GF trying to influence the metagame by forcing most teams to carry a weather inducing move, thus making weather a more vital part of competitive battling.

In short:is this bad news for eveyone? yes
is this raping the metagame? yes and no (eveyone will just have to have a weather counter, it'll make manaphy more favourable)
should Tyranitar be made uber? no, its not enough of a boost just for himself, othes benefit from it greatly too and it would be unfair on Tyranitar, think of ole Probopass...he just became even nastier...
 
Every team ALREADY needed a Tyranitar counter, just look at Advance. Now they've made Tyranitar (and all Rock types) better. It's moved up a tier...only problem is, it was already in top tier OU, so now it's in uber.

The auto-weather traits were broken anyway, but with this buff to Sandstorm they're bannable.
 
Mmm...

Golem: It helps him
Onix: I lol'd
Omastar: It's better in Rain Dance teams
Kabutops: Idem
Aerodactyl: Pressuredactyl for the win
Sudowoodo: Great in 2vs2 + Trick Room + Sandstorm enviroment
Shuckle: Insane SpD... It's pretty sucks, anyway
Magcargo: Poor, poor Magcargo ;_;.
Corsola: Meh
Tyranitar: Welcome to Uber Land, Rexie
Aggron: Duh.
Lunatone: Awesome
Solrock: It helps him
Cradily: Awesome
Nosepass: I lol'd
Armaldo: He likes Sandstorm VERY much.
Relicanth: OH, YEAH!
Regirock: OH YEAH!
Rampardos: It helps him
Bastiodon: Duh
Rhyperior: Disgusting
Probopass: MR.POTATO HEAD FOREVER!
Rock Arceus: DISGUSTING
 
We should stop posting about things switching tiers before we own the game and can test out its brokenness first hand.

Probopass is still 4x weak to the most common physical attacks in the game, guys.
 
Its true...despite my love of the old 'pass it is still destined to get no higher than BL with its weaknesses...

I don't want Tyranitar to go to uber...*sniff* he was my favourite back in the G/S/C days...

I still think that all this'll do is make weather changing more common, yay for Manaphy, yay for Cherrim, yay for Chlorophyll and Leaf Guard, Yay for Moist Skin, yay for Swift Swim, yay for snow hide etc...
 
This little revelation probably is going to force some people to perhaps take a more active role in Changing weather effects by using Sunny Day or Hail or Rain Dance themselves just because they FEAR the sandstorm implications, which I donno is such a great thing. (Personaly I always attempted to hit Tyranitar with some hard hitting Focus Punch or other Physical Fighting Move to make it shove off and hense would make the whole SD thing moot, but that requires predicting and good timing mostly)

It was mentioned that TTar + Aero is viable... How about a shout out to Armaldo for a bit of love eh? Same two weaknesses as TTar and Aero do (Water and Steel) and Armaldo arguably could give you more coverage when used with Tyranitar than Aero Could, plus Armaldo can always use Knock Off and say go Bugger off (literally).

We will have to see how this goes ultimately but what it may end up doing more than anything is make Sandstorm an actual viable move on pokemon themselves (assuming Ttar and Hippo gets banned to Uberville)

For the Record, I would be leaning to(not completely sure yet cause we still havent seen this completely in action) the camp that says Ban Tyranitar to Uber-la-la-land, but Keep Hippopowdon.

Edit: Point not perhaps mentioned, would Cloud Nine or what have you now work to cancel the effect of the SD boost from Sandstorm while your say Golduck was out against Tyranitar?
 
Don't ban the Tar...

Besides Rhyperior + Hippowdon/Tar on the same team is far more worrying than Aerodactyl and Tar...

Rhyperior with sandstorm is supremely worrying...he'd be pretty impenetrable...

But Surgo's right, lets wait until we all have the game...

EDIT: Violent storm is right...Cloud Nine could work...Golduck in OU? Plus it learns Cross Chop...
 
All I want to know is.....does Hail do something similar for Ice-types? Because it would be JUST LIKE GameFreak to boost T-Tar(who doesn't really need it, let's face it, whether or not it is now broken) and leave the typing that could really use it(i.e. Ice, which basically dooms a pokemon to BL at best due to the laundry list of weaks and the sole resist to Ice.) Bleh....we'll need to look, but I'm no fan of it, for sure....
 
Lets hope between now and the 5th gen of pokmeon games, they clean house and fire the people at gamefreak who were stupid enough to think this was a good idea :-p! Its obvious they have been there for like 10+ years and are now obviously going senile...
 
Hail is confirmed not to boost any conventional stats. It might do something else, but it's not known right now.
 
Sheimii said:
EDIT: Violent storm is right...Cloud Nine could work...Golduck in OU? Plus it learns Cross Chop...
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80/78/80 defenses mean Golduck is too frail to last long enough for Cloud Nine to be beneficial.

Keep in mind it doesn't clear the weather, it just removes the effects of weather while it's out and in battle.

Chozo said:
But hey, Blizzard is 100% accurate in a hailstorm. That's something, right?

Right?
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It is something, yes, but it isn't quite on the magnitude of a 1.5x boost in SpDef for Rock types in Sandstorm.
 
Has anyone tested actually using Sandstorm itself? What I want to ask is, perhaps this special defense boost is specifically given from Sandstream Ability rather than Sandstorm itself (IE its a lingering effect from Sandstream Sand rather than from regular Sandstorm usage)

Its probably just sand in general that now does this, but for testing sake it would be nice to know if its all sand or just Sandstream
 
Violent Storm said:
Has anyone tested actually using Sandstorm itself? What I want to ask is, perhaps this special defense boost is specifically given from Sandstream Ability rather than Sandstorm itself (IE its a lingering effect from Sandstream Sand rather than from regular Sandstorm usage)

Its probably just sand in general that now does this, but for testing sake it would be nice to know if its all sand or just Sandstream
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I was thinking about asking this myself, but then I realized I was probably in denial lol. I guess I should be happy...my team includes Hippo + Rhyperior already, and I suppose these findings help slightly.
 
I've been thinking a lot about this, and for the most part, I think this change is awesome. The major downside of 90% of Rock types has been their frailty in the face of special attacks, especially Surfs and Grass attacks. So this gives them a fighting chance. I mean, start with the ADV tier list - how many Rock types are OU/BL? 5. Rhydon still has gay special defense, Aerodactyl still dies to most anything (and is hurt by Stealth Rock now), and Armaldo was never particularly amazing and now might find its way into good OU, which is awesome because Armaldo kicks ass.

Then there's Regirock... honestly, Regirock will probably still have its problems, granted you could use a Curserock but I bet it will still end up being Garchomp fodder, imo.

Rhyperior is kind of potent, but hardly invincible. Surfs are going to do it in good, and 90% of fast Pokemon are capable of getting in a good hit on it - Rhyperior is not going to sweep teams, plain and simple. Trick Room/Rhyperior combinations might show up, but I doubt those are going to change everything.

Tyranitar is a pretty big problem though ;[ I dunno, I guess we need to test it and see what happens, but we're already looking at a 660 stat total and Tyranitar has a great movepool. The only thing separating it from most ubers is a ton of weaknesses, so we'll have to see whether that balances it out.
 
I don't think anyones really questioning that this is good for the majority of rock types, makes them way more usable. However, one rock type, Tyranitar, was already way good. I mean Wobbuffet is uber and isn't really a patch on this thing. Its not as if other rocks now made good will lose out to losing Tyranitar because now they can have the Hippo or they might even use the move itself.

Theres people here think pokemon with 600 base stats are too powerful for the standard metagame, surely being closer to 700 pushes it up.
 
Personally I think the new moves and pokes (especially focus blast on everything from Butterfree to Mewtwo) MIGHT balance out Tar's new "benefits"...
 
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