I used to think Groudon was an evolved Sandslash >_>

[dekzeh]

Groudon @ Choice Band
Ability: Drought
EVs: 236 HP/232 Atk/40 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Shadow Claw
- Fire Punch

Decided to drop Stone Edge after some playing since the only thing it hits is Ho-Oh. Shadow Claw is better for Lugia since it can't be Roosted and it 2HKO's. Dragon Claw is there mainly for Rayquaza and Fire Punch for levitating steels (Skarmory and Bronzong, mainly, also for the OHKO on Forry, not like it matters...).

Metagross @ Choice Band
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Meteor Mash
- Earthquake
- Pursuit
- Bullet Punch

Second Choice Bander and a really good one :]
Remedys most of my weaks and handles Deoxys to an extent.
You all know what it can do.

Heatran (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 128 HP/128 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Dragon Pulse
- Overheat

Fire Blast on the sun will barely 2HKO Blissey. I wanted to have HP Electric somewhere for Kyogre and Ho-Oh, but I've found that having two fire moves is a must vs all this Pressure Ubers.
If I ever come on a Giratina WoW something is mostly like going to die :)

Machamp (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/4 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Ice Punch
- Thunderpunch
- Close Combat
- Sleep Talk

Lol, Machamp in ubers.
Darkrai 'counter'. Since most of my team threatens Darkrai it'll Dark Void first almost always, instead of setting a Substitute or something, so Machamp is pretty much a safe switch. LO Focus Blast has a chance of 2HKOing, but almost always will 3HKO.
Don't say it sucks, it's such an awesome pokemon :]
Ice Punch will 3HKO random Giratinas and 2HKO if I absorb their WoW.
Lugia is pretty much the only thing in ubers safe vs this thing.

Deoxys-f @ Choice Band
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Fire Punch
- Ice Punch
- Superpower
- Extremespeed

Choice Band Deoxys is an amazing pokemon.

Dialga @ Expert Belt
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 144 Atk/112 Spd/252 SAtk
Mild nature (+SAtk, -Def)
- Brick Break
- Draco Meteor
- Thunder
- Fire Blast

Decided to go with some Speed.. Outspeeding most other Dialga is pretty cool, and also those slow Kyogres etc.
Standard Wall Breaker, I just hate when I have to face a Lugia on the sun :( But then Heatran/Metagross should handle that.
My only non choice user and I'd like to keep it that way :B


Threat List

THIS LIST DOES NOT HAVE 'COUNTERS' TO ALL POKEMONS, IT'S JUST THE WAY I HANDLE IT.
THIS IS A VERY OFFENSIVE TEAM AND OBVIOUSLY CAN'T COUNTER EVERYTHING.

Deoxys-A: Metagross is the main counter. Even with such an offensive team, everything can take one hit from it.

Deoxys-D: I hate it's Knock Off! Doesn't pose such a threat with 3 steels around, and even with his godlike defenses, almost everything will 2HKO.

Dialga: Restalk BU Versions are countered by Heatran or Metagross. Mix Dialga is a bitch, but its handled decently by a combination of Heatran, Metagross and Groudon.

Giratina: Heatran will win one-on-one 100% of the time, Machamp can absorb a WoW and 2HKO with Ice Punch. Groudon CB EQ and Meta CB MM both 3HKO. Deoxys will also 2HKO with Ice Punch, but can't switch in. Dialga can Draco Meteor it.

Groudon: Means trouble. Especially CB versions as I just can't switch on Earthquake. Will be using mainly my own Groundon and hoping for revenge kills. When I see a groudon, I just don't switch out, because one turn of set up means I'm fucked am about my whole team can hit it hard.

Ho-Oh: Haven't seen one :/ I do think I'm pretty weak to it but I don't know how I would handle since no one seems to use it..

Kyogre: Having sun helps me, main reason I lead with Groudon. Dialga can take on it, kinda. Specs Versions are scary, however, it's nothing that can't be handled.

Latias: Metagross mainly, hitting it on the switch with Groudon/Machamp. Deoxys can eventually revenge kill it.

Latios: See Latias.

Lugia: Heatran is my main counter. Specs Overheat generally OHKO's. Calm Mind or Light Screen versions are annoying, but they just can't hurt anything...

Manaphy: Not a problem at all. Dialga/Groudon should handle it.

Mewtwo: Metagross is a good first switch-in. Deoxys might eventually have to revenge kill it, simple unpredictable, but workable after I scout it's set.

Palkia: Groudon can take on Mixed Versions as long as it stays alway from Draco Meteors. I have nothing to really absorb those Meteors, but Heatran/Gross can work once.

Rayquaza: Main switch is Groudon, who can take a DD'd Outrage and OHKO back. If it switches on Groudon CB EQ, things get complicated and I generally have to revenge kill it with Deoxys after I lock it on Outrage (Groudon forces it to Outrage so I won't be Extremespeeded).

Tyranitar: Groudon/Metagross/Machamp. Doesn't give me trouble and my whole team can hit it hard.

Skarmory: The only member without a fire move is Metagross and Skarm doesn't really enjoy taking CB MMashes.

Scizor: It could, eventually, revenge kill Deoxys, but thats the most it ever do.

Metagross: Between my own Metagross, Heatran and Groudon, I'm actually safe vs this.

Kingdra: Honestly, it's not even that good. 95 base Atk/SAtk is really low even with Rain boost. Groudon can switch decently. Dialga can take on it.

Garchomp: Groudon is a decent switch and can OHKO it. Not sure why ppl would use it anyway.

Forretress: There's huh.. nothing it can set up on. Even if it's out against Gross, I'll just MMash anyway.

Blissey: Honestly, my team laughs on this. Machamp is a great switch in and after I know if it TWaves or Toxics I can go to Metagross/Groudon also. Specs Fire Blast on sun has a chance of 2HKOing it.

Wobbuffet: It's huh 2HKO'd by everything.. not much I can do.

 

[kd24]

Machamp in ubers is something I like to see. Anyway...

With Champ, metagross, and groudon choiced there is no reason to choice deoxys. I would use focus sash instead to beat rayquaza and then also use grass knot or thunder for kyogre since you have trouble with him.

I know you only want 1 un-choiced user but in ubers it is not as hit heavy as you think. It requires some good prediction and it is not wise to use all choice pokemon especially with all the subCM pokemon flying around.

CBGross and ScarfKyogre can really hurt this team and that is commonplace in ubers. Once again Giving deoxys a sash could really help. I think you need some walling support since nothing on this team NOTHING can come in on a scarfogre water spout. And kyogre is the most common pokemon in ubers so that does not help you. Maybe using a Lati (who has soul dew which acts as a choice item for special attack and defense and allows you to switch up moves) or a CMBlissey could fit this team better.

A Choice Uber team sounds cool with all the hard hitting but it doesn't seem like it will work.

You also have a bad Ground weakness but that is the least of your worries.

Just my thoughts on the team, Sorry for harshness but it just does not seem like it will work.

 

[Mystica]

I agree with KinglerDude to an extent. Dialga can switch onto Kyroge as it resists pretty much everything but Ice beam. It will probably only be able to be switched in to take a hit just a couple times, but I can see how Dezkeh can work around it.

I'm not a fan of that Machamp, even though it does look pretty cool! But a Latias, maybe even with wish could help this team out alot!

And as cool as that Cb deoxys may be... I think you're better off with the generic Thunder/IB/Superpowder blah blah kind to help out with some of your weaknesses.

meh i dont really know, but really cool team Dezkeh!

 

[kd24]

Doesnt Modest Scarf Water Spout 2HKO a dialga without leftovers and no HP in EVS mystica?

 

[Mystica]

Doesnt Modest Scarf Water Spout 2HKO a dialga without leftovers and no HP in EVS mystica?

That's not the point.

Anyway Dezkeh, from what you saw from my little test, seems that Blissey is a really good add over Deoxys or Machamp. Especially with Wish because your team is all choiced. I meant to say Blissey, but Latias is good too.

EDIT: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Kyogre is annoying as mother fucking fuck, christ on a fucking crutch that thing is annoying, and I hate how it completely fucks over the team. even with blissey, that fucker can CM up and win. TBH I don't really know what to do. Wait actually, I dont see a need for Earth Power on heatran. Use HP electric. It will put a dent into that fucker

 

[junior]

I am definitely not liking the Ogre-weak unfortunately. You really want a reliable counter to it. Both common variants, Choice Scarf and Sleep Talker set can easily take this team on. Waterspout demolishes your whole team and the lack of Electric or Grass type attacks is just going to let this big beast set up freely (if its the Sleep Talk variant). Dialga is probably you're only good revenge killer of it which is a bit iffy if its the Calm Mind variant as Thunder will do little damage to it.

What I would suggest you adding into your team is Blissey or Quagsire, yup, you heard it. Quagsire is one of the best Kyogre counter you can ask for. Immune to Thunder and its STAB Waterspout/Surf/Waterfall is quite awesome. Blissey is probably areguably the better choice though, as she can wall all the special attackers in the ubers metagame which is something Quagsire can't do. The sets I would probably use for these is something along the lines of this;

Blissey @ Leftovers
Nature: Bold
EVs: 148 HP, 252 Def, 108 SpD (So it can take Special attacks slightly better)
~ Toxic/Thunderwave
~ Wish
~ Protect
~ Seismic Toss

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Nature: Careful
EVs: 252 HP, 4 Atk, 252 SpD (So it can soak up some Ice Beams)
~ Yawn
~ Toxic
~ Protect
~ Earthquake

Even so, Quagsire is a bit gimmicky in ubers. Your safest choice is Blissey.

 

[Great Sage]

Heracross is probably a better choice than Machamp. It doesn't have as much HP, but it does have more Special Defense, which in total nets it a little more overall special defensive ability than Machamp. Megahorn is incredibly useful against all the Psychic Ubers running about, and Stone Edge covers much of what the elemental punches do. Additionally, Heracross is resistant to Fighting, so you don't have to worry about the odd Focus Blast Darkrai, and you take Focus Punch better. Earth Power is useless on Heatran; just about the only Pokemon that take more damage from it than Fire Blast or Overheat (in normal weather) are Palkia and Kingdra, who don't take much from Earth Power anyways. You're also lacking some key resistances and immunities, including Fighting (Deoxys-A does not count) and Ground. The very Choice Band Heracross I recommended earlier could conceivably do some extreme damage with Close Combat anytime it comes in. Choice Band Groudon could do the same with Earthquake. Latias with Wish seems appropriate for this team; while it is extremely risky to use against Heracross, it solves the Choice Band Groudon weakness to some extent and buffers against rain teams, especially Kyogre/Palkia. Deoxys-A is a reasonable candidate for replacement. If you choose to retain it, I have to say that I don't really like the idea of Choice-locking it in D/P, especially into a physical Ice or Normal move because of Metagross. The other two types it carries, Fire and Fighting, tend to have bad overall type coverage.

 

[Jibaku]

Okay.

Groudon seems fine in terms of EVs. Although I'm starting to see the Speed pattern (216 < 218 < 221 < 222 < 223 < 226 < what the heck is with all the Mix Dialga running soo much speed?).

Tbh I still prefer Stone Edge for Lugia still. Shadow Claw doesn't 2HKO bulkier Lugias and faster Lugias will simply Reflect it anyways. Stone Edge comes with the bonus of hitting Ho-oh, which your team has a really hard time against. It also hurts Lugia more on the switch in, and OHKOes with a CH, but Shadow Claw isn't guaranteed. And Lugia can still Roost off the Shadow Claw... But whatever, I guess.

Speaking of Ho-oh, yeah your team dies miserably to it. As the only safe counters to Ho-oh are Giratina and Kyogre, it's very hard to find something to switch to without interrupting your team's flow (Kyogre changes the weather, Giratina cuts your team's offense). Giratina would be more feasible at this point, but to pick what to change might be hard. You could remove Deoxys-A from your team simply because Groudon, Metagross and the others provide enough offense, but removing Deoxys-A removes the speed as well, which can be hurtful. Removing Dialga means one less Kyogre counter, and your team being very shaky at that, I advise you not to remove it or get a better Kyogre counter (unfortunately that title doesn't apply to anyone that counters Ho-oh. Palkia comes close, but Sun + Palkia is horribly awkward)

Putting Stone Edge on Groudon, while it won't cover your Ho-oh weak at all, can at least *slightly* fix it :D

Second, what bothers me is the huge problem this team faces against Fighting types. While they may be rare, it is not neglectable. Heracross can hurt your team extremely bad, as well as Choice Specs Mewtwo locking itself on to Aura Sphere. Giratina once again comes into mind, but the queston is...do you want to trade speed for defense?

It is possible to switch both Dialga AND Deoxys-A out, but a lot of offense will be taken down. Deoxys-A can be switched to Giratina, while Dialga can be switched to Lati@s since they're the only fast Kyogre counters around. However, I must note that that will leave your team a bit weaker to Rayquaza and you only have Metagross, Groudon, Machamp (should be Cross imo) and Tran for offense (Latios could work as an offensive on the last slot, but being walled by Blissey isn't so impressive).

Next...you have nothing against Earthquake. That being said, Garchomp or another Groudon can tear your team apart without too much of a problem. Latios and Giratina sort of helps against the Groudon weak, but Chomp will eat both of them alive. Only Lugia counters both Chomp and Groudon, as well as having a 4x resistance to fighting, making it a useful asset in covering that weakness. Lugia can also Reflect and help weaken physical attacks. Ho-oh is still a pain to beat, though.

In the end, it's simply your choice. Do you wish to cover these threats, or preserve the more offensive nature of this team? If you want the change, who do you want to counter the most: Garchomp or Ho-oh?

 

[blasphemy1]

Umm Metagross doesn't counter Resttalk BU Dialga first of all. Lets say it Bulk Ups and you switch in, it is faster than you, allowing another Bulk Up. The most you can do to it now is 41%. It can even Bulk Up again, as you do only 27%, a net damage of 68%. This is easily Resttable, and if they wanted, they could Bulk Up again. This time, you only do a mere 19%, net damage of 87%. When Dialga Rests, you will have wasted 8 EQs because of Pressure, which means you only have 8 PP left, essentially 4 more EQs. This will end in your demise very quickly.

As for Heatran, he is your only counter for him, and that is assuming the sun is out as you could potentially be Pressure stalled if it is Raining, seeing as Fire Blast only has 8 PP maximum, and it has 85% accuracy, and Pressure only allows 4 Fire Blasts at most, if you miss one, then you lose. With Rain, you definitely lose. In the sand, normal or sunny weather, you will likely win, but keep in mind that you have a huge BU Dialga weak.