Hydreigon

Vemane

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HP: 92 Attack: 105
Defense: 90
Special Attack: 125
Special Defense: 90
Speed: 98

Hydreigon: The offensive monster that was made for dismantling teams. Although it will have a harder time breaking through defensive cores than a poke like MixMence, underestimate Hydreigon and your team will suffer.

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Hydreigon (M) @ Choice Specs/Choice Scarf Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Surf/Fire Blast
- Focus Blast/Fire Blast
- Draco Meteor
- Dark Pulse/Dragon Pulse/U-Turn


Choiced Hydreigon is perfect for either dismantling defensive pokemon or serving as a very nice revenge killer. Surf and Fire Blast provide very nice coverage in their respective weathers. Draco Meteor serves as the obvious super-strong STAB. Focus Blast compliments the coverage provided by Dark Pulse very nice, although Fire Blast serves a similar steel-killing purpose. The choice between the last move is all relative. If using scarf, u-turn is nice for scouting. Dark Pulse serves as a spammable stab. Dragon pulse is nice for another dragon stab without the spatt drop.

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Hydreigon (M) @ Expert Belt/Life Orb/Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Surf/Fire Blast/Taunt
- Focus Blast/Fire Blast/Taunt
- Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse
- Dark Pulse/Dragon Pulse/Substitute/Toxic


Hydreigon serves as a very nice pokemon to combat slower teams/pokes as well. Expert Belt allows it to bluff a choice item, netting a few surprise KOs. Life Orb, however, provides more consistent power, though the recoil can be a bit unsettling. Leftovers allows for a more defensive approach if using substitute and helps with residual damage from weather, etc. Taunt and Toxic can allow hydreigon to deal with the pokes that wall it, shutting down many of their abilities to do damage as well as wearing them away with toxic.

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Hydreigon @ Life Orb
Naive
104 Atk / 240 SpA / 164 Spe
-Outrage
-Draco Meteor
-Earthquake
-Fire Blast

Mixed Hydreigon, although less powerful then conventional sets, is generally a better wall breaker. It manages to score the 2hko on special walls such as Blissey that would wall it completely otherwise.

Counters/Checks:
Although hydreigon is quite mighty, he is still manageable by a few pokes. Blissey/Chansey can wall it to oblivion if it doesn't carry taunt/toxic. Tyranitar does quite well against non-focus blast varients. Anything faster is a large threat as well, most notably terrakion.


Hydreigon has seen a nice jump in usage lately. Why is this? What makes this beast more formidable than before?
 
Vemane said:
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HP: 92 Attack: 105
Defense: 90
Special Attack: 125
Special Defense: 90
Speed: 98

Hydreigon: The offensive monster that was made for dismantling teams. Although it will have a harder time breaking through defensive cores than a poke like MixMence, underestimate Hydreigon and your team will suffer.

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Hydreigon (M) @ Choice Specs/Choice Scarf Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Surf/Fire Blast
- Focus Blast/Fire Blast
- Draco Meteor
- Dark Pulse/Dragon Pulse/U-Turn


Choiced Hydreigon is perfect for either dismantling defensive pokemon or serving as a very nice revenge killer. Surf and Fire Blast provide very nice coverage in their respective weathers. Draco Meteor serves as the obvious super-strong STAB. Focus Blast compliments the coverage provided by Dark Pulse very nice, although Fire Blast serves a similar steel-killing purpose. The choice between the last move is all relative. If using scarf, u-turn is nice for scouting. Dark Pulse serves as a spammable stab. Dragon pulse is nice for another dragon stab without the spatt drop.

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Hydreigon (M) @ Expert Belt/Life Orb/Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Surf/Fire Blast/Taunt
- Focus Blast/Fire Blast/Taunt
- Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse
- Dark Pulse/Dragon Pulse/Substitute/Toxic


Hydreigon serves as a very nice pokemon to combat slower teams/pokes as well. Expert Belt allows it to bluff a choice item, netting a few surprise KOs. Life Orb, however, provides more consistent power, though the recoil can be a bit unsettling. Leftovers allows for a more defensive approach if using substitute and helps with residual damage from weather, etc. Taunt and Toxic can allow hydreigon to deal with the pokes that wall it, shutting down many of their abilities to do damage as well as wearing them away with toxic.



Counters/Checks:
Although hydreigon is quite mighty, he is still manageable by a few pokes. Blissey/Chansey can wall it to oblivion if it doesn't carry taunt/toxic. Tyranitar does quite well against non-focus blast varients. Anything faster is a large threat as well, most notably terrakion.


Hydreigon has seen a nice jump in usage lately. Why is this? What makes this beast more formidable than before?
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Its usage has jumped because of it's use in weather teams, I think. With Fire Blast or Surf, Dark Pulse, Focus Blast, and the standard Dragon moves as well as U-Turn, it ends up with unparalleled Special Attacking coverage.
 
The Substitute set is incredible and can easily wreck unprepared teams. I used it on my Rain team for a while and it usually got at least 1 kill if it managed to get behind a Sub.

I would credit it's rise in popularity to Stone_Cold's Sun team that was recently archived.
 
Cipher Admin Lovrina said:
Its usage has jumped because of it's use in weather teams, I think. With Fire Blast or Surf, Dark Pulse, Focus Blast, and the standard Dragon moves as well as U-Turn, it ends up with unparalleled Special Attacking coverage.
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Not only that. The Sub set gets all the coverage it needs, and Hydreigon can lure and deal with a lot of pokemon with sub.

It can lure Tyranitar and get a Sub on a good majority of the metagame. It can get a Sub against Sub Protect Gliscor and Tentacruel. Recent RMTs such as Stone's also inspired usage.
 
I wish Hydreigon was faster, at least to the point of being able to speed tie Terrakion. He normally needs the speed, so I'm usually running Scarf to make sure he can get the non-scarfed variants of Terrakion and Latios. He's really good otherwise and usually finds a spot on my team.
 
Its worth mentioning a mixed set up there. Hydreigon has 105/125 Offences, which is basically better than Infernape, AND it has better bulk. a Mixed set also has the advantage, of pretty much luring in and KOing most of its common "counters". For example, Blissey gets 2KOed after SR which is pretty nice. Earthquake lets you crush Heatran and Jirachi, Ferrothorn/Skarmory/Scizor/Forretress all hate Fire Blast... oh yea and Draco Meteor is a fucking nuke.

Of course, the set has its problems against faster paced teams since they can revenge it much easier than they can against Substitute versions, however, Mixed does to slightly better against more defensive teams. Hydreigon is dam hard to switch into, especially thanks to that massive coverage it gets.
 
The Sub set gets all the coverage it needs, and Hydreigon can lure and deal with a lot of pokemon with sub.And try that again,please.
 
IMO if you want Hydreigon to be faster, just use Latios. Latios hits all those targets, but it is pursuit trappable (which I always found Latios' biggest flaw).

What I have found Hydreigon's best set to be is his Specs set, and I think it's better than Latios' for a couple of reasons. First, it's more powerful than Latios' Specs set due to Hydreigon running a modest nature (you're doing it wrong if you're running Timid). Second, it doesn't scream "revenge kill me" after using Draco Meteor to the #1 and #4 spots in the metagame (scizor and ttar). Lastly, Hydreigon has more powerful and more "complimentary" special movepool than Latios. Fighting, Ground (earth power), and Fire moves that aren't HP Fire (which lowers your speed in a critical speed tier) compliment Dragon attacks much better than Electric and Ice moves.

The only options that Latios' specs set has over Hydreigons are Trick and Psyshock. Those moves are nice for messing up Chansey/Blissey, but I much rather have the power and coverage of Hydreigon's movepool.
 
ginganinja said:
Its worth mentioning a mixed set up there. Hydreigon has 105/125 Offences, which is basically better than Infernape, AND it has better bulk. a Mixed set also has the advantage, of pretty much luring in and KOing most of its common "counters". For example, Blissey gets 2KOed after SR which is pretty nice. Earthquake lets you crush Heatran and Jirachi, Ferrothorn/Skarmory/Scizor/Forretress all hate Fire Blast... oh yea and Draco Meteor is a fucking nuke.

Of course, the set has its problems against faster paced teams since they can revenge it much easier than they can against Substitute versions, however, Mixed does to slightly better against more defensive teams. Hydreigon is dam hard to switch into, especially thanks to that massive coverage it gets.
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I was definitely considering a mixed set. However, I haven't an idea as to what EVs would be needed to hit certain important kos. Would anyone be willing to provide assistance with that? :)
 
Vemane said:
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HP: 92 Attack: 105
Defense: 90
Special Attack: 125
Special Defense: 90
Speed: 98

Hydreigon: The offensive monster that was made for dismantling teams. Although it will have a harder time breaking through defensive cores than a poke like MixMence, underestimate Hydreigon and your team will suffer.

665.png

Hydreigon (M) @ Choice Specs/Choice Scarf Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Surf/Fire Blast
- Focus Blast/Fire Blast
- Draco Meteor
- Dark Pulse/Dragon Pulse/U-Turn


Choiced Hydreigon is perfect for either dismantling defensive pokemon or serving as a very nice revenge killer. Surf and Fire Blast provide very nice coverage in their respective weathers. Draco Meteor serves as the obvious super-strong STAB. Focus Blast compliments the coverage provided by Dark Pulse very nice, although Fire Blast serves a similar steel-killing purpose. The choice between the last move is all relative. If using scarf, u-turn is nice for scouting. Dark Pulse serves as a spammable stab. Dragon pulse is nice for another dragon stab without the spatt drop.

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Hydreigon (M) @ Expert Belt/Life Orb/Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Surf/Fire Blast/Taunt
- Focus Blast/Fire Blast/Taunt
- Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse
- Dark Pulse/Dragon Pulse/Substitute/Toxic


Hydreigon serves as a very nice pokemon to combat slower teams/pokes as well. Expert Belt allows it to bluff a choice item, netting a few surprise KOs. Life Orb, however, provides more consistent power, though the recoil can be a bit unsettling. Leftovers allows for a more defensive approach if using substitute and helps with residual damage from weather, etc. Taunt and Toxic can allow hydreigon to deal with the pokes that wall it, shutting down many of their abilities to do damage as well as wearing them away with toxic.



Counters/Checks:
Although hydreigon is quite mighty, he is still manageable by a few pokes. Blissey/Chansey can wall it to oblivion if it doesn't carry taunt/toxic. Tyranitar does quite well against non-focus blast varients. Anything faster is a large threat as well, most notably terrakion.


Hydreigon has seen a nice jump in usage lately. Why is this? What makes this beast more formidable than before?
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Hydregion is the best dragon type pokemon there is and will forever be I just wish there was a easy way to counter those Focus Blast
 
Vemane said:
I was definitely considering a mixed set. However, I haven't an idea as to what EVs would be needed to hit certain important kos. Would anyone be willing to provide assistance with that? :)
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From the analysis

Hydreigon @ Life Orb
Naive
104 Atk / 240 SpA / 164 Spe
-Outrage
-Draco Meteor
-Earthquake
-Fire Blast
 
Scarfwynaut said:
Does anything even counter the mixed set? Like seriously, I think its un counterable, out count my blessings every day that like no one fucking uses it.
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Uncounterable is not necessarily the same as good. It's weak to residual damage and clever switches.
 
Ah Hydreigon... classic team killer.

I remember for a legitimate period of time, people (credible people even) considered him to be terrible/outclassed by Latios. Times have definitely changed, (part of the reason why I like Pokemon so much) and Hydreigon is a serious threat. My favorite set is still the LO attacker set (though expert belt set is really cool... nowhere as strong though)
 
Straw Hat Luffy said:
Ah Hydreigon... classic team killer.

I remember for a legitimate period of time, people (credible people even) considered him to be terrible/outclassed by Latios. Times have definitely changed, (part of the reason why I like Pokemon so much) and Hydreigon is a serious threat. My favorite set is still the LO attacker set (though expert belt set is really cool... nowhere as strong though)
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Yeah, metagame shifts can really make a difference. Hydreigon also isn't pursuit bait, has a different stat spread, Focus Blast, Fire Blast, and U-Turn.

I use Hydreigon on Volt/Turn with Mienshao. It is suprisingly good.
 
A set I've seen on the ladder lately and I'm interested in trying sometime is Charge Beam:

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Hydreigon @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 56 HP / 252 SpA / 200 Spe
Modest Nature
- Substitute
- Charge Beam
- Dragon Pulse
- Focus Blast

I've been swept by this set, and I think it's not just because it surprised me. Boosting its Special Attack makes it even more threatening, and Sub + Charge Beam is a good way of setting up on stuff like Power Whip Ferrothorn. Dragon Pulse + Focus Blast still has perfect coverage, so you have enough coverage to sweep.
 
I remember a time where a few players dominated the ladder with Volt turns teams that utilized Expert Belt Hydreigon. It's no Scizor, but good luck switching into it period. Most Hydreigon sets require a certain amount of predicting (sometimes, he'll only one chance to switch in, and you want to make it count... it sucks having your Draco Meteor's stuffed by steal types, and your Fire / Fight attacks checked by the Lati twins.) EB on the other hand relatively easy to use, and has no problem bluffing a set, and can U-turn if the threat of Latios / etc switching on a Fire move is too great.
 
Charge beam is a good move but the problem is for the other moves (u have only two other slots), focus blast doom is to miss and dragon pulse is not enough alone, fire blast would be a better alternative but rain teams completely nerfed it
 
Yeah it's hard switching into Hydreigon as it has a greater movepool size than the standard C++ library. Chansey/Blissey are probably the best switch-ins to it. It really depends on what set it is running, and tends to be unpredictable, and expert belt can be particularly dangerous. Revenge killing it isn't particularly hard though.
 
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