Gengar (Substitute +Will-o-Wisp[QC 0/3]

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[SET]
name: Substitute + Will-O-Wisp
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Will-o-Wisp
move 3: Shadow Ball
move 4: Focus Blast
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

Why this set deserves to be on site:

-The best part about this gengar set as opposed to other gengar sets is its ability to burn many of its counters so they are somewhat useless for the rest of the match. Counters include jirachi and specially defensive scizor.
-Many other pokemon can easily be stalled out because of gengar's impressive resistances. ex: scarfed landorus hoping to break substitute with stone edge then KO on the next turn will instead be crippled and killed.

Additional Comments
-Max speed and SpA for power
-Standard attacking moves are standard
-black sludge=lefotvers
-all normal gengar stuff
-after burn scizor U-turn doesnt break sub
-bluffs sub disable
-taunt could be used over focus blast to to make a stall breaker-gengar
Teammates and Counters
-blissey walls it all day
-pairs well with substitute boosters who can take advantage of the burned and crippled opponents. SD terrakion really likes scizor burned and can deal with blissey
-Wish support may be cool
-Not recommended to be used with toxic spikes as status will overlap
-bulkier spread coiuld be used
-more normal gengar stuff


Im sure I did something wrong help me out!
 
I've been violated by this set many times, thinking it was Sub-Disable, so I'll definitely give it some thought. You're right though; there are a few things to fix so this is QC check-able; first off, go into your advanced Edit options and apply the Quality Control tag (it's the red bolded text). Additionally, replace the set you have right now to the one I edited:

name: Substitute + Will-o-Wisp
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Will-o-Wisp
move 3: Shadow Ball
move 4: Focus Blast
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

You also need to fix a few grammatical / spelling errors; even though this is a skeleton, I'd be more comfortable knowing you're up for the task of actually writing it (if we do actually approve this).
 
You say that this set beats Sucker Punch users, but this is something that the SubDiable set can accomplish, so I would remove that bit. Also mention that burning Tyranitar is useful, and that Gengar can run Taunt to function as a stall breaker, similarly to Mew.
 
I think it would suffice to slash WoW on either the SubSplit, SubDisable or Sub+3 Attacks set. Gengar already has 3 Substitute Sets and i don't think adding another one that doesn't plays too different is necessary.
 
Amazing set, I've tested it on the ladder a lot of times, and burning Specially Defensive Jirachi / Scizor is great. I'd just mention a bulkier spread, but the rest is fine. Fix the format, though.
 
Personally, I don't see the point of using this. Gengar is not a defensive Pokemon, even with its resistances and immunities. I've said this many times in different sets that people have brought up. You are taking away what the Pokemon (Gengar in this case) does best and giving it a job which it isn't as good at. The point of using Gengar is to come in, set up a Sub and kill things. You say it lures in many of its counters and burn them. Well what's the point of burning them when you can just kill them straight away? Say, you beat Scizor, Jirachi and all those Pokemon with the SubDisable set anyway. SpD Jirachi cannot beat Gengar, especially when you just Disable Iron Head and then just keep Shadow Balling it. Scizor works in kind of the same way.

So yeah, I reckon Will-O-Wisp is probably an OO mention at best.
 
@^ The burned Pokemon become set up fodder for teammates later in the match.

That's the only reason I would use this over any of its other sets anyway.
 
I see this Gengar set as more of a team support Pokemon than an offensive Pokemon. In fact, with Taunt over Focus Blast it can (theoretically) beat Blissey one on one. Since most Blissey carry few offensive moves outside of Seismic Toss or a weak Flamethrower, if any, Taunt shuts it down and Will-O-Wisp will slowly chip away at its HP. It comes down to PP stalling, but it would still work. That's one of the reasons why it differs from the other Gengar sets.
 
SubSplit Gengar holds Life Orb, making it much more deadlier than this set. This set is more akin to SubDisable in its ability to disrupt the opponent, but Will-O-Wisp is not prevalent enough to deserve a slash on SubDisable's set. As of now, this set seems OO material.

EDIT: NatGeo, we can't replace the key piece of SubDISABLE strategy :o Unless you're inferring replacing Focus Blast for Will-O-Wisp?
 
Why not just put this set in the AC of SubDisable? Pocket mentioned that they function similarly, so it doesn't seem like that much of a jump to place the inferior(?) option in AC of SubDisable.
 
I thought it was a good set, because it can sweep with Shadow Ball + Focus Blast while being able to cripple Scizor and Tyranitar if they ever come in. I guess it's another way for Gengar to beat through it's counters. So it's similar to SubSplit that it can beat through its counters. But it plays differently compared to the other sets that it focuses on defeating a different set of counters AND also having a bit of a supportive role. If SubSplit could be QC approved for its ability to beat Blissey and Chansey, I don't see why this set is any different that it can make Scizor and Tyranitar useless.
 
I think this set is pretty good. The burn factor shouldn't be taken so lightly. Changing your opponent thoughts on thinking "this pokemon will be needed to handle such and such pokemon" to thinking "now that it's burned, it is now useless" is a plus on your side. It will change up the game plan on both sides but I think more favorable towards your side.
 
shrang said:
Personally, I don't see the point of using this. Gengar is not a defensive Pokemon, even with its resistances and immunities. I've said this many times in different sets that people have brought up. You are taking away what the Pokemon (Gengar in this case) does best and giving it a job which it isn't as good at. The point of using Gengar is to come in, set up a Sub and kill things. You say it lures in many of its counters and burn them. Well what's the point of burning them when you can just kill them straight away? Say, you beat Scizor, Jirachi and all those Pokemon with the SubDisable set anyway. SpD Jirachi cannot beat Gengar, especially when you just Disable Iron Head and then just keep Shadow Balling it. Scizor works in kind of the same way.

So yeah, I reckon Will-O-Wisp is probably an OO mention at best.
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sub disable loses to scizor, uturn breaks the sub and you switch to a faster pokemon or even worse, scarf ttar. sub disable gar loses to sdef rachi on rain as both thunder and iron head can damage, this one at least burns it then switch.
 
In a sense, why not use mew? With a better move pool and instant recovery not to mention bulk, I don't see what gengar has besides greater speed and surprise factor
 
This set is cool, I used it a bit recently because I randomly remembered this analysis for some reason. Err.. I dunno what the policiy thing is going to be but here's my two cents:

It plays really similarly to the Disable set, yes. However, it comes with the benefit of turning shit like SpD Jirachi, Scizor, and some Tyranitar into set up bait for its teammates later. So yeah if this does get an analysis, make sure you emphasize the fact that this is its main draw (unless I've been using it wrong!)
 
For me, this is not a matter of whether this particular set works or not - it's redundancy. We already have SubSplit, SubDisable, Sub + 3 Atks. We don't need an entire set analysis to tell how Wisp works differently in place of Pain Split, Disable, or 3rd Attack, since it is self-explanatory. An OO mention is enough.
 
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