Gen III Battle Frontier Discussion and Records

[kan_]

Well this sucks... I didn't even touch my gamecube, but somehow my cartridge became disconnected and I crashed on floor 576 or something. So I got disqualified and am left with a 574 on the board. Camera picture of SP this time.

 

[Nickgain216]

I've been running an improved Gengar, Snorlax, Latios team in the Arena. In my opinion, it's a better version of the Lati Sandwich team. Latias can be a little too passive or weak as an attacker.

Reached 168 and still ongoing! Come watch if you want on discord.

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Gengar's spread
You need 36 defence to live Nidoking's shadow ball.
4 HP for an odd substitute number
Near maximum special attack

Defensive Calculations
252+ Atk Nidoking Shadow Ball vs. 4 HP / 36 Def Gengar: 113-134 (83 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I really feel like Gengar is an awesome lead for the Arena, precisely because it's only hit by sheer cold for ohko moves and can trade in the worst case scenario. In good situations, Gengar can sweep or take down at least 2 pokemon. Gengar has an average of 2+ koes this entire run.

Snorlax has the same spread as last time.
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Snorlax (God) @ Lum Berry - Set explanation
The optimal 260 HP
4 speed to out speed opposing Snorlax/ Slow twins / Steelix
A good amount of def and SpD
Rest in attack

Defensive Calculations

252+ Atk Choice Band Armaldo Rock Slide vs. 196 HP / 220 Def Snorlax: 109-129 (41.9 - 49.6%)
252+ Atk Machamp Cross Chop vs. 196 HP / 220 Def Snorlax: 200-236 (76.9 - 90.7%)
252+ SpA Latios Psychic vs. 196 HP / 76+ SpD Snorlax: 67-79 (25.7 - 30.3%)

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I like the fact that Gengar going before Snorlax can eliminate bulky waters and fighters (by tie or koing it). These two things are the most dangerous for Snorlax, which helps reduce hax.

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Latios ("Soul Dew" ) @ Cheri Berry
Standard Latios set with 3 coverage moves for maximum effectiveness.

Latios is the cleaner here, instead of a sweeper. Still functions well with a CM boost.

Additional info
This team can't hit shedninja. Destiny bond on sheddy for first greta battle. What do you do if it shows up? Hope you tie with Snorlax. Good news is that it's rare. Don't think about Shadow ball. Doesn't hit hard enough without Adamant, which greatly reduces your bulk.

Lost about 10 times with this team due to shit luck with misses to random stuff like bellossom, lunatone, tauros, regice
I've done about 100 runs in the Arena by now. Only reached 100+ wins about 5 times. Although, if you eliminate my previous experimentation attempts, reaching 100+ wins with a good team has about a 10% chance due to hax. Most runs lose after Gold.

Difficult matchups
Lapras/Haxrein/dewgong. Sub first to get an idea of what set it could be. If it doesn't show sheer cold, it's probably safe to go for the 2 hit ko.
Rock Slide/Rock Tomb Rhydon
Metagross- If it QC's or gets an attack raise, you can easily lose
QC armaldo
Shedninja lol

Will update this when I lose or think about other useful information.

Edit: LMFAO. I'm never reaching 200. I lost @ 178 to Swimmer Elaine with Slowking (used destiny bond), Starmie and CB Granbull. Snorlax was chipped and got koed by banded mega kick. Latios couldn't ko with psychic and lost.

Edit: I started using magnet and it was really nice as a item. Guaranteed ko on bulky gyarados, 0 hp starmie, helps 2koes on bulky stuff,

Thanks to Actaeon for helping me with the probabilities and watching the streak.

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Can this gengar set work with explosion instead of substitute?

 

[purrsthecat]

Hey! Been playing the Emerald battle frontier for decades now but just came across this thread. Been playing Emerald on an emulator recently and am currently on a streak in the Dome. First time doing the Dome in years. All Pokemon used are legal but have invalid PIDs. Below is my team at Lvl 100:

Zapdos Lum Berry, Modest
EVs: 6 HP, 252 SpAtk, 252 Speed
IVs: 30 Atk, 30 SpAtk
Thunderbolt
HP Grass
Drill Peck
Toxic

Swampert Leftovers, Relaxed
EVs: 100 HP, 100 Atk, 100 Def, 100 SpAtk, 100 SpDef, 10 Speed
Earthquake
Surf
Ice Beam
Counter

Slaking Choice Band, Adamant
EVs: 252 Atk, 6 Def, 252 Speed
Hyper Beam
Earthquake
Shadow Ball
Aerial Ace

I grew up playing with Zapdos with Extrasensory traded from XD to my cartridge but I've found Toxic works better. Drill Peck for any Hera or Breloom that starts getting out of control. Toxic mostly for Cradily and any other Double Team/Curse/Calm Mind mons I run into. T bolt kills the plethora of water types strewn about the facility. (I ALWAYS fall for the T bolt into Milotic mirror coat smh). It usually survives one Ice Beam even from STAB users. Can 1v1 most water/ice types. HP Grass kills anything quad weak to Ground (namely Tucker's Swampert). Fun fact: Mirror Coat doesn't work on HP Grass. Great synergy with Swampert, can also switch into Earthquakes. I used BrightPowder for the first 20 rounds or so but switched to Lum since I kept almost losing to Ice Beam freezes.

Swampert is a monster but I've found falls off when his EVs are spread too thin (grew up playing with my starter in the BF before I knew about EVs). This spread gives him the perfect balance of bulk and offense. The speed investment lets him outspeed other Swamperts. Ice beam kills every Dragonite set and almost every Salamence set. EQ kills most T-tar sets. Only weakness is grass types and anything with Giga Drain which Zapdos switches into nicely. Decades ago I used Counter for the Swampert mirror match but found it works best on Machamps. Not familiar enough with scouting to use it to its full potential, thinking of switching it out for Rock Slide. 1v1s anything that's not Grass/has Giga Drain.

Slaking is also a monster. CB Hyper Beam obliterates anything. Shadow Ball and EQ for coverage. Aerial Ace for Double Team mons that get out of control.

Usually I'll lead Zapdos/Swampert, whatever has more favorable matchups, and Slaking in the back to clean up. The Latis can only be dealt with by Slaking Shadow Ball. T Tar and D nite are scary but Swampert can 1v1 them. Again, this is my first attempt so far, just kinda vibing doing whatever. Lost once so far to Tucker 2 on Round 10 (my team was Swampert/Zapdos/Metagross), match ended in Swampert/Zapdos v. Latias and I lost because Calm Mind exists. For some reason Tucker ALWAYS uses Swampert Metagross against this team. Makes the final fight every 5 rounds really predictable.

My original team decades ago on my cartridge was my starter Swampert with randomly spread EVs, Zapdos traded from XD with Extrasensory, and Metagross with Quick Claw Explosion. Wayyyy back when all I had was my starter leveled to 70 something and somehow got Silver on the Pike with only Swampert lol. Suuuuuuper familiar with the Emerald Battle Frontier. Everything you guys are doing here is amazing! So happy to see there's such a community around this. If my cartridge still works I'll upload screenshots of my records but so far here's what I've got on Emulator (I've got the battery file but have no idea how to upload it):