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I'll edit this post when the slate is decided so I don't get banned.
anaconjedit: My 80 / 69 / 110 / 110 / 150 / 91 Rotom wins, and the next slate are the Swords of Justice! The slate after that will focus on Mega Pokemon.
Competitive Use: Faster alternative to Dazzling and Tough Claws MMX.
Is it OP?: Is significantly weaker than MMX and can't surprise physical walls with mixed sets. Sample Set(s):
Competitive Use: Faster alternative to Magic Guard Diancie-Mega.
Is it OP?: Can't break through physical walls with mixed sets, particularly Giratina. Sample Set(s):
Competitive Use: Bulkier alternative to Sceptile-Mega.
Is it OP?: Finds it much harder to break through Dragons, and is slower than Sceptile-Mega. Sample Set(s):
Competitive Use: Physically bulkier alternative to Greninja-Ash and Kyogre-Primal.
Is it OP?: Still hates priority and can't use physical options to threaten special walls. Sample Set(s):
Keldeo Stats: 94/93/94/170/93/136
Summary of Changes: +3 HP, +21 Atk, +4 Def, +41 SpA, +3 SpD, +28 Spe (+100 just like post above) Reason for Changes - We need a useful Fighting Special Attacker that is not overtly bulky but can take a decent neutral hit. Competitive Use: Fast, and powerful Special Fighting attacker that can be “mixed” thanks to Secret Sword, bypassing RegenVest sets like Dialga and Kyogre-Primal. Is it OP?: Middling Defenses, and relatively low base power on its main STAB (Fighting) keep it from exceeding expectations. Outsped by key threats like MMY, Beedrill-Mega, and weak to common Psychic and Priority Triage / -Ate attacks. Competes with MMX and Greninja-Ash for being fast and having comparable STABs.
Sample Set(s):
Keldeo @ Life Orb
Ability: Mega Launcher
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Origin Pulse
- Aura Sphere
- Dark Pulse
- Shell Smash / Ice Beam
Calcs:
For Shell Smash just double the damage-
252 SpA Life Orb Mega Launcher Keldeo Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Registeel: 369-437 (101.3 - 120%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Mega Launcher Keldeo Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Arceus: 437-515 (98.4 - 115.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes
252 SpA Life Orb Mega Launcher Keldeo Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Giratina: 291-343 (57.7 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Mega Launcher Keldeo Origin Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Zygarde-Complete: 320-376 (50.3 - 59.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Mega Launcher Keldeo Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Kyogre-Primal: 175-208 (43.3 - 51.4%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after 1 layer of Spikes
VS Unaware Chansey
252 SpA Life Orb Adaptability Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 785-925 (111.5 - 131.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Adaptability Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Registeel: 354-416 (97.2 - 114.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes
VS RegenVest
252 SpA Life Orb Adaptability Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dialga: 380-447 (94 - 110.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes
VS RegenVest
252 SpA Life Orb Adaptability Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Kyogre-Primal: 250-296 (61.8 - 73.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Adaptability Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Fur Coat Chansey: 390-463 (55.3 - 65.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Zygarde-Complete in Heavy Rain: 550-648 (86.4 - 101.8%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Arceus in Heavy Rain: 469-553 (105.6 - 124.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 674-794 (95.7 - 112.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after 1 layer of Spikes
I gave it 170 SpA as MMX has 154 SpA, access to STAB Photon, and can use higher base power STAB Fighting moves like Close Combat. Thus, Keldeo’s 170 SpA is wide enough from 154 to be moderately stronger, but not overtly so.
Special Attack matches Dialga's
Speed creeps Diancie but lower than Rayquaza's
252 SpA Sky Plate Aerilate Rayquaza-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Cobalion: 318-375 (82.3 - 97.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Competitive Use: Offensive alternative to Dialga being able to hit steels that resist Doom Desire.
Is it OP?: Not super strong and is weak to anti setup methods while not providing the defensive utility of Dialga Sample Set(s):
Cobalion @ Steelium Z
Ability: Steelworker / Adaptability / Tinted Lens / Simple
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid / Modest (with Adapt Sword can 2hko neutral ogre) Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Tail Glow
- Recover
- Doom Desire
- Secret Sword
Speed creeps MMX and Gar with Neutral speed nature and speed creeps MMY and Scept with positive nature
252 Atk Pixie Plate Pixilate Diancie-Mega Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Terrakion: 324-384 (83.9 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Terrakion Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Kyogre-Primal: 444-524 (109.9 - 129.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Competitive Use: Its Ttar but can smack steels but gets walled even harder by Giratina.
Is it OP?: Can't break prank tina lol Sample Set(s):
Terrakion @ Choice Band
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant / Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Diamond Storm
- U-turn
- Spectral Thief / Accelerock
Speed outspeeds basically the entire tier
252 Atk Mold Breaker Virizion Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Registeel: 194-230 (53.2 - 63.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Competitive Use: Lead?
Is it OP?: This mons garbage I can't do anything with it apart from fast lead lol Sample Set(s):
Virizion @ Focus Sash
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Spore
- Stealth Rock
Virizion @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Low Kick
- Knock Off
- Spore
- Stealth Rock
Effect (if any): If the holder is one of the four Sword of Justices: Keldeo, Verizion, Cobalion, Terrakion then this item cannot be removed, and Attacks always deal damage based on the users’ higher offensive stat. *If the stats are tied, then it deals damage based on whether the attack was originally physical or special. (Think of Photon Geyser). Competitive Use: Will enable higher base power and better effect Attacks. Is It OP?: No, it takes up an item slot that could go to Life Orb or a Choice item. Likely users: Keldeo, Cobalion, Virizion, Terrakion.
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Item
Razor Claw
Effect (if any): If the holder is one of the four Sword of Justices: Keldeo, Verizion, Cobalion, Terrakion then this item cannot be removed, and boosts Critical hit ratio by 2 levels. (Like Lucky Egg on Chansey). Competitive Use: Ensures high critical hit moves always critical hit: Crabhammer, Cross Chop, Stone Edge, Leaf Blade, Blaze Kick, Aeroblast, etc. Is It OP?: No, for moves without a high critical hit ratio, it only boosts the likelihood of moves dealing a critical hit, while Life Orb and Choice items provide consistent damage boosts. Likely users: Keldeo, Cobalion, Virizion, Terrakion.
1) Chessking's Cobalion, my Terrakion, Chessking's Virizion, and Chessking's Keldeo wins, as well as a Sacred Sword buff. Razor Fang is tied, which I will choose to disallow because the Swords of Justice doesn't need an additional buff as they are currently.
2) Zovrah has joined the council because of his contributions to the meta (mostly suggestions to change it to fit the goal of diversity).
3) The next slate will buff Krookodile, Torterra, Guzzlord, Nidoking, Bisharp, Altaria-Mega, Jellicent, Empoleon, and Tangrowth.
4) Zovrah would like to re-examine some of the past submissions and revise them to align with said goal, so slate 9 will be postponed until the revisions are complete.
Special thanks to Brodaha, here's the MBH Damage Calculator with MBH stat changes. As of now, the changed ability and move effects aren't in the damagecalc.
1) Chessking's Cobalion, my Terrakion, Chessking's Virizion, and Chessking's Keldeo wins, as well as a Sacred Sword buff. Razor Fang is tied, which I will choose to disallow because the Swords of Justice doesn't need an additional buff as they are currently.
2) Zovrah has joined the council because of his contributions to the meta (mostly suggestions to change it to fit the goal of diversity).
3) The next slate will buff Krookodile, Torterra, Guzzlord, Nidoking, Bisharp, Altaria-Mega, Jellicent, Empoleon, and Tangrowth.
4) Zovrah would like to re-examine some of the past submissions and revise them to align with said goal, so slate 9 will be postponed until the revisions are complete.
I love the suggested slate, Empoleon and Altaria-Mega fit the goal of this thread, with the emphasis on diversity, and it will be a great first slate for Zovrah to help implement his councilship .
Okay so, Anaconja has said before that mbh has two goals. The primary goal is to allow for a more diverse meta by buffing mons with typings that have the potential for a niche, but normally have lackluster stats which prevents this. The secondary goal is to maintain a balanced metagame while doing so. In the past he hasn't exactly been very focused on that, causing us to have several slates that had minimal direction from Anaconja himself. These slates brought about additions to the meta that are questionable when keeping in mind our goals for this meta, and I believe they are worth reevaluating.
Spectral Thief: as of right now I don't think original spectral was really all that good (consider that set up is still a menace and this only makes it stronger) this is not to say that spectral thief is not a good move, but that not so good it warranted nerfing. Versatility: Its like tc and sf but worse bc it doesnt effect your stab. Nothing does nor will use this; doesnt encourage diversity Illuminate: Though its arguable (though doubtful) that nerfing dark and ghost causes things to use other types as coverage, I counter that it stagnates diversity by making giving the already dominant ghost and psychic typings a way to take care of their few viable weaknesses. Gives no pokemon any niche, only makes some already good ones better. Brightpowder: same as Illuminate zzz 65 BP Move nerf: This was a stupid idea, it gives technician more options but makes a ton of other things worse, and again only really gives more options to the one already good technician set (mmx).
Pokemon-wise there's: Absols: Not really sure what a frail dark/normal type does, and this is the case with Lapras, Articuno, and Persian-Alola (ghost and normal is a cool typing but with such poor bulk there's not much point)
Of course, nothing is concrete and the entire purpose of this is to talk about it. Disagree with something I listed being unfitting of the metagames goal? Tell me about it. Go ahead and suggest other things you think are worth another look now that we are more focused in the direction we'll be taking the metagame.
Okay so, Anaconja has said before that mbh has two goals. The primary goal is to allow for a more diverse meta by buffing mons with typings that have the potential for a niche, but normally have lackluster stats which prevents this. The secondary goal is to maintain a balanced metagame while doing so. In the past he hasn't exactly been very focused on that, causing us to have several slates that had minimal direction from Anaconja himself. These slates brought about additions to the meta that are questionable when keeping in mind our goals for this meta, and I believe they are worth reevaluating.
Spectral Thief: as of right now I don't think original spectral was really all that good (consider that set up is still a menace and this only makes it stronger) this is not to say that spectral thief is not a good move, but that not so good it warranted nerfing. Versatility: Its like tc and sf but worse bc it doesnt effect your stab. Nothing does nor will use this; doesnt encourage diversity Illuminate: Though its arguable (though doubtful) that nerfing dark and ghost causes things to use other types as coverage, I counter that it stagnates diversity by making giving the already dominant ghost and psychic typings a way to take care of their few viable weaknesses. Gives no pokemon any niche, only makes some already good ones better. Brightpowder: same as Illuminate zzz 65 BP Move nerf: This was a stupid idea, it gives technician more options but makes a ton of other things worse, and again only really gives more options to the one already good technician set (mmx).
Pokemon-wise there's: Absols: Not really sure what a frail dark/normal type does, and this is the case with Lapras, Articuno, and Persian-Alola (ghost and normal is a cool typing but with such poor bulk there's not much point)
Of course, nothing is concrete and the entire purpose of this is to talk about it. Disagree with something I listed being unfitting of the metagames goal? Tell me about it. Go ahead and suggest other things you think are worth another look now that we are more focused in the direction we'll be taking the metagame.
So for Persian-Alola, I didn’t want it to outclass Marshadow, as an automatic Imposterproofer, especially with Moongeist Beam having more universal utility than Spectral Thief (I.e. the foe might not boost so Moongeist has more of a reason to use), and Boomburst has 0 drawbacks besides Soundproof (while being able to hit behind subs, while Close Combat has negative side effects), I thought it would be okay because Marshadow is physical and Persian is Special.
Persian-Alola is basically what Soundproof Arceus in BH wanted to be: Dual STAB, faster than Gengar-Mega, and can be Imposterproof with just Spore and Bad Dreams, or Dread Plate Judgement.
I didn’t want to break the BST rule, nor make it bulky enough to be better than MMY, as Ghost and Normal STABS can be pretty decent compared to just Psychic STAB.
However, I do know that Chessking345 made a VR ranking back in November and listed it as D due to being frail while not as threatening as Deoxys-A, and on Discord Anaconja said we can boost the stats by 200 max, not 100. This means I can make it better, and therefore worth the unique typing niche it fills:
I think it would be best to either focus on one offense, like Gengar-Mega, or focus on more bulk by adding HP.
I know Anaconja doesn’t like min-maxing, but I have seen that occur multiple times on both submitted and successfully voted in slates of Pokemon stats.
So in addition to Persian-Alolan, I think we should re-open the discussion to state the rules:
“What are the min-maxing limits, I.e. Speed lowest base, how different can stats be gap wise?”
It wouldn’t make sense to state that a Sweeper has to have high bulk for no other reason than anti-min-maxing (look at Gengar-Mega, Deoxys-A, etc.)
I also felt like if I submitted something that was good it was stated it outclasses something else, but I think what we should establish is “how much is too little of a buff to be good enough, and too much to be overshadowing or overcentralizing”?
I.e. Does my Persian overshadow Gengar-Mega due to Speed and an extra Immunity, no reliance on Judgement Plate, and the ability to abuse STAB on Normalize sets?
If so, should I make it Physical? But then, would it compete with Marshadow? Secret Power would be a Normal-Type, since the Primary Typing is normal, so it wouldn’t be able to use it with Normalize.
I could see it using a Guts set, if Physical, thanks to Facade, Spectral Thief, and Imposterproofing with Spore, and a Filler move. But does that outclass PH Regi/Slaking because it doesn’t need to set up with Shift Gear to be fast, and thanks to Guts, it deals more damage than Regi / Slaking.
If I make it bulky, does it outclass Arceus?
The dilemma is based on unclear directions on:
1. What makes something at risk of being rejected?
2. What is the final and official ruling on the highest BST, and the highest + amount to BST?
(I.e. if something has 350 BST can I make it 600, or is it capped at +200 so it is just 550?). Does Eviolite, or Rock types that can use Sandstream come into play for BST or limits on Def or SpD?
3. Let clarify the rules against min/maxing (and what constitutes it). For example, if I have a wall submission, how low is too low for Speed, since it shouldn’t outclass / replace something else already in MBH — **but If you don’t make it slow, then it risks being outclassed itself, when it comes to slow pivots / anti-Core Enforcer, and the submission is considered not good enough.** For example, Empoleon as a Water / Steel Type will be a great defensive wall, with 11 resistances, but will it be wrong to give it Base 50 speed? Base 40? Base 60?
4. Let’s establish the main goal: how diversity works in the metagame itself- in event that while Pokémon may be a different type, can serve a similar role (offensive / defensive), for example: a Ghost vs Dark offensive redundancy.
5. Establish the other goal: and therefore you want it to be good enough but not so good it replaces something currently in use.
For example: when I submitted my Darmanitan-Original (Fire + Dark), I had to ensure the 130 Atk was high enough to accomplish being a Sweeper but low enough so it’s V-Create wasn’t overpowering, and factor in both abilities and items such as Tough Claws and Life Orb. (I.e. Get Strong 2HKOs, not weak 3HKOs, and not overwhelming 1HKOs).
I don’t want to sound picky, but with the council started, and our break between slates, it would be good to clarify all of the above.
P.S. I am doing this for the overall goals. Persian was just a way to show how my thought process felt limited by unclear limits and expectations.
This is flexible, and depends on the mon that's getting buffed. For example, if we were to buff a mon with near 600 bst, then it would obviously be limited to a maximum addition of 100, and maybe not even that high as to prevent mbh from becoming bh with only a power creep. Yet if it was a mon with around 400 bst, the limit for how much you can add would be more lenient.
The issue here is that there is no concrete way to define what minmaxing actually is with only words. Concepts like this are best explained by examples. The classic example of a minmaxed mon is, of course, Deo-A. Why would you consider it minmaxed? Because it's stats are spread in a way that is meant to minimize defense in exchange for maximizing offense. Of course, that doesn't encompass all and every example of minmaxing there is. Another mon I personally would consider minmaxed is Chansey, since it has stupidly low defense in order to compensate for its stupidly massive HP. If you really want a definition of minmax, the best I can really give you is deliberately taking away a significant amount of one stat so you can boost another, and I don't think even that covers any possible case.
4. Let’s establish the main goal: how diversity works in the metagame itself- in event that while Pokémon may be a different type, can serve a similar role (offensive / defensive), for example: a Ghost vs Dark offensive redundancy.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this, so clarification would be great
Now, addressing Persian itself. What I understand right now is that you want it to be a mon that is automatically imposterproof due to its typing. Yet, I don't really think thats a niche, or more accurately a unique one. Gengar does imposterproofing extremely well already. There's also that one would only be immune to its stabs and Persian would take a billion from any coverage that you could run to hit imposter, unless you ran plate. And plate eliminates it's alleged ability to be imposterproof without a reliance on it.
Note that if I haven't specifically addressed something, it is because I do not think anything needs to be said on it.
This is flexible, and depends on the mon that's getting buffed. For example, if we were to buff a mon with near 600 bst, then it would obviously be limited to a maximum addition of 100, and maybe not even that high as to prevent mbh from becoming bh with only a power creep. Yet if it was a mon with around 400 bst, the limit for how much you can add would be more lenient.
The issue here is that there is no concrete way to define what minmaxing actually is with only words. Concepts like this are best explained by examples. The classic example of a minmaxed mon is, of course, Deo-A. Why would you consider it minmaxed? Because it's stats are spread in a way that is meant to minimize defense in exchange for maximizing offense. Of course, that doesn't encompass all and every example of minmaxing there is. Another mon I personally would consider minmaxed is Chansey, since it has stupidly low defense in order to compensate for its stupidly massive HP. If you really want a definition of minmax, the best I can really give you is deliberately taking away a significant amount of one stat so you can boost another, and I don't think even that covers any possible case.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this, so clarification would be great
Now, addressing Persian itself. What I understand right now is that you want it to be a mon that is automatically imposterproof due to its typing. Yet, I don't really think thats a niche, or more accurately a unique one. Gengar does imposterproofing extremely well already. There's also that one would only be immune to its stabs and Persian would take a billion from any coverage that you could run to hit imposter, unless you ran plate. And plate eliminates it's alleged ability to be imposterproof without a reliance on it.
Note that if I haven't specifically addressed something, it is because I do not think anything needs to be said on it.
Fire type added to provide a check to opposing fire types and fairies.
Speed lowered to tie with pokemon such as giratina and pogre to make sure it isn't too potent as a sweeper.
Attack raised to make use of physical moves but not any higher because of this
252+ Atk Tinted Lens Krookodile V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 260-306 (40.8 - 48.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Krookodile Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-X: 163-193 (39.1 - 46.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Special attack raised to enable it to make use of mixed and special sets.
Bulk increased all round with an emphasis on physical bulk so it still dies easily to a lot of strong special pokemon.
252 SpA Choice Specs Aerilate Rayquaza-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Krookodile: 406-478 (100.4 - 118.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Mewtwo-Mega-Y Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Krookodile: 382-450 (94.5 - 111.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
Competitive Use: Physical wallbreaker, setup sweeper or physical wall
Is it OP?: Nah, there's no way this could be considered broken when there are so many counters like levitate Corsola, primordial sea Swadloon, flash fire Buzzwole, fur coat Golisopod to name a few. Slow for an offensive mon so loses to most offense teams and low special bulk mean it is easily forced out, as well as a crippling and easily exploitable Water weakness that is very hard to mitigate. Sample Set(s):
Krookodile @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Bonemerang
- Flare Blitz
- Light of Ruin
- Shell Smash
Fire type added to provide a check to opposing fire types and fairies.
Speed lowered to tie with pokemon such as giratina and pogre to make sure it isn't too potent as a sweeper.
Attack raised to make use of physical moves but not any higher because of this
252+ Atk Tinted Lens Krookodile V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 260-306 (40.8 - 48.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Krookodile Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-X: 163-193 (39.1 - 46.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Special attack raised to enable it to make use of mixed and special sets.
Bulk increased all round with an emphasis on physical bulk so it still dies easily to a lot of strong special pokemon.
252 SpA Choice Specs Aerilate Rayquaza-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Krookodile: 406-478 (100.4 - 118.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Mewtwo-Mega-Y Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Krookodile: 382-450 (94.5 - 111.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
Competitive Use: Physical wallbreaker, setup sweeper or physical wall
Is it OP?: Nah, there's no way this could be considered broken when there are so many counters like levitate Corsola, primordial sea Swadloon, flash fire Buzzwole, fur coat Golisopod to name a few. Slow for an offensive mon so loses to most offense teams and low special bulk mean it is easily forced out, as well as a crippling and easily exploitable Water weakness that is very hard to mitigate. Sample Set(s):
Krookodile @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Bonemerang
- Flare Blitz
- Light of Ruin
- Shell Smash
The stats allow for it to be a frightening sweeper with Power Trip or Pursuit Scarfer to revenge several prominent mons like Giratina, Mewtwo and Galvanize Zekrom.
Sweeper Calcs: WIP
The stats allow for it to be a frightening sweeper with Power Trip or Pursuit Scarfer to revenge several prominent mons.
Sweeper Calcs:
+2 252 Atk Krookodile Power Trip (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Arceus: 372-438 (83.7 - 98.6%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 Atk Krookodile Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Xerneas: 373-441 (81.7 - 96.7%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Krookodile Precipice Blades vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Registeel: 270-320 (74.1 - 87.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery (assuming you got hazed as you attacked) WIP
I have to say that this is pretty overpowered. Ground/Dark is already a frightening offensive typing, hitting both Steel-types and Giratina, so you should tone down its attacking stats a little bit. Maybe keep the BST around 600?
I have to say that this is pretty overpowered. Ground/Dark is already a frightening offensive typing, hitting both Steel-types and Giratina, so you should tone down its attacking stats a little bit. Maybe keep the BST around 600?
I'm mainly just worry it's not hitting hard enough, though I will tone it down to 600 to make it more manageable. I wanted to focus on it being able to kill Gengar (hence the special attack for Revelation Dance) and Giratina (which in my calcs was 3HKO by the moves with 252/252 defense investment without boosts from Krookodile) while still able to knock back Steel types. This is taking into account this pokemon has severe weakness to Refrigerate and Pixilate. (though Galvanize it can check).
I actually feel like this is too underpowered, but I wanted to keep Torterra’s unique Grass/Ground typing, which you’ll notice I swapped to Ground/Grass, as I believe Ground Revelation Dance is better. I don’t believe it’s bulk is anything out of the ordinary, and may not be the best. But a calc like this worries me the most. Then again I’m not really too familiar with this, so it may be worse/better than I imagine.
252 SpA Kyogre-Primal Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Torterra: 324-384 (78.2 - 92.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Competitive Use: Be big bulky. Do damage. Outspeed registeels and do stuff to em. etc.
Is it OP?: idts Sample Set(s):
Torterra @ Leftovers
Ability: Soundproof
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- King’s Shield
- Milk Drink / Leech Seed
- Revelation Dance / Thousand Arrows / Milk Drink
- Anchor Shot / Thousand Waves
While I’m not 100% certain of the speed tiers, I’m fairly certain that a scarfed Bisharp would pack quite the punch, and for a fair amount of speed. With + speed, this should be able to outspeedbase 130s (right?). It’s offensive capabilities, while maybe not the best, are pretty ok. Steel isn’t exactly a huge offensive typing, and while at first it could just look like a worse Kartana there are a few, if small, advantages to it. For one, it can’t be affected by prankster, and is physical, making it a powerful Power Trip abuser. Steel typing stops it from getting Toxic’ed, and stops sandstorm (or hail) from withering it down. Which works especially well if you are to hold a focus sash. Dark typeing while ineffective vs. Fairies, is supported by it’s steel typing, letting it deal with Pokémon like Mega Diancie, Xerneas, and Mega Audino. Sucker Punch also gives it an advantage vs Psychic offense carrying a fighting coverage move like Mega Mewtwo Y.
Competitive Use: Naturally Prankster immune steel sounds very cool, especially since it has Sunsteel strike.
Is it OP?: I wouldn’t think so? But the fact that a good number of walls have weakness to it’s STABs is scary (Aegislash, Audino-Mega, Giratina). Sample Set(s):
Bisharp @ Focus Sash
Ability: Simple / Dazzling
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- Power Trip / Darkest Lariat
- Sunsteel Strike
- Close Combat / Bolt Strike
time to pull this out of the grave, we need to finish this slate for pmgs
I discovered that torterra actually has a pretty crappy typing being outclassed by tangrowth so it's being replaced by the god stakataka to complete the god staxopod core
252 Atk Choice Band Adaptability Krookodile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Giratina: 444-524 (88 - 103.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Giratina Core Enforcer vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Krookodile: 124-147 (31.4 - 37.3%) -- 85.4% chance to 3HKO
103 speed creeps Blaziken-Mega while being creeped by Charizards
Competitive Use: Good mon if you need to hit Giratina and Steel-types at the same time.
Is it OP?: Relatively slow wallbreaker, and walled by things like Mandibuzz, Yveltal, and FC Tapu Fini. Sample Set(s):
Krookodile @ Choice Band
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Pursuit
- Precipice Blades
- Sucker Punch / Thousand Arrows
Krookodile @ Choice Band
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Pursuit / U-Turn
- High Horsepower
- Sucker Punch / Sunsteel Strike
Stakataka
Stats: 71/131/211/53/131/13 (610 BST)
Summary of Changes: +10 HP, +30 SpD
252 SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Diancie-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Stakataka: 143-168 (41.3 - 48.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Stakataka Secret Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Audino-Mega: 182-216 (44.3 - 52.6%) -- 19.9% chance to 2HKO
Competitive Use: Walls the crap out of -ate.
Is it OP?: Being weak to Scald and Fighting coverage, as well as being neutral to Steel and Grass, kinda sucks. Sample Set(s):
Stakataka @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Secret Power
- Poison Fang
- Rapid Spin
- U-turn
Stakataka @ Smooth Rock
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Secret Power
- Stealth Rock
- Shore Up
- U-turn
Empoleon
Stats: 84/96/118/131/111/60 (600 BST)
Summary of Changes: +10 Atk, +30 Def, +20 SpA, +10 SpD
252 Atk Diancie-Mega V-create vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Empoleon: 162-191 (43.5 - 51.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Diancie-Mega Tectonic Rage (175 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Empoleon: 314-370 (84.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
60 speed outslows Magearna while being outslowed by Registeel and Audino-Mega
Competitive Use: Walls -ate while not being weak to Fire and also resisting Steel.
Is it OP?: Not so good bulk compared to other Steels makes it compete with them more. Sample Set(s):
Empoleon @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Knock Off
- Defog
- Roost
- U-turn
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Bolt Strike vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Kyogre-Primal: 333-393 (82.4 - 97.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Audino-Mega: 369-437 (90 - 106.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Registeel: 307-361 (84.3 - 99.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
105 creeps Blaziken-Mega while being creeped by Kartana
Competitive Use: Cool special Ground wallbreaker.
Is it OP?: Competes with MMY as a SF wallbreaker due to lower speed and inability to OHKO Kyogre. Sample Set(s):
Nidoking (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Sludge Wave
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
- Bolt Strike
Nidoking (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sludge Wave
- Earth Power
- Ice Beam
- Volt Switch
Guzzlord
Stats: 223/107/67/103/67/43 (610 BST)
Summary of Changes: +6 Atk, +14 Def, +6 SpA, +14 SpD
252 SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Gengar-Mega Moongeist Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Guzzlord: 209-247 (32.1 - 38%) -- 96% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Gengar-Mega Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Guzzlord: 266-314 (40.9 - 48.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
43 speed outslows Muk-Alola while being outslowed by Abomasnow-Mega
Competitive Use: it, like, is super fat
Is it OP?: Being double weak to Fairy, as well as being weak to Ice and Fighting, makes it compete with Mandibuzz, Sableye-Mega, and Dialga. Sample Set(s):
Guzzlord @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Secret Power
- Core Enforcer
- Knock Off / Rapid Spin
- U-turn
Bisharp
Stats: 100/150/100/80/100/70 (600 BST)
Summary of Changes: +35 HP, +25 Atk, +20 SpA, +30 SpD
252 SpA Choice Specs Mewtwo-Mega-Y Fleur Cannon over 2 turns vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Bisharp: 341-403 (84.4 - 99.7%) -- not a KO
252 SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Gengar-Mega Moongeist Beam vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD
70 speed is outslowed by Magearna
Competitive Use: Interesting defensive typing - Dark type not weak to Fairy, and a Steel type resistant to Ghost.
Is it OP?: Being a Steel-type neutral to Fairy and a Dark-type weak to common coverage types in Fire and Ground makes it less consistent against mons like MMY. Sample Set(s):
Bisharp @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Secret Power
- Knock Off
- Rapid Spin
- U-turn
Bisharp @ Choice Band
Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Knock Off
- Pursuit
- Sunsteel Strike
- Sucker Punch / Close Combat / U-Turn
+2 252 SpA Mold Breaker Gengar-Mega Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Altaria-Mega: 204-240 (49.2 - 57.9%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Mewtwo-Mega-X Photon Geyser vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Altaria-Mega: 220-261 (53.1 - 63%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
90 speed ties Giratina/Kyogre/Dialga
Competitive Use: Good Zekrom check, good Dragon-type not weak to Dragon, good Fairy-type resistant to Water, Fire, and Electric
Is it OP?: The bulk could be better, making it compete with Dialga, Tapu Fini, and Audino-Mega Sample Set(s):
Tangrowth
Stats: 100/100/125/110/100/50 (585 BST)
Summary of Changes: +50 SpD
252 SpA Pixilate Diancie-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Tangrowth: 154-183 (38.1 - 45.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
50 Speed ties Registeel and Audino
Competitive Use: Super fat Grass type.
Is it OP?: Being a pure Grass type also means being weak to common coverage moves like Fire/Ice/Poison, as well as the prevalent U-Turn, while only sporting a resistance to Water and Ground. Sample Set(s):
Tangrowth @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Poison Fang
- Knock Off
- Rapid Spin
- U-turn
Jellicent
Stats: 100/95/90/95/125/60 (565 BST)
Summary of Changes: +35 Atk, +20 Def, +10 SpA, +20 SpD
252 SpA Dialga Core Enforcer vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Jellicent: 124-147 (30.6 - 36.3%) -- 59.3% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Kyogre-Primal Spectral Thief vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Jellicent: 170-200 (42 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
60 speed outslows Magearna while being outslowed by Registeel and Audino-Mega
Competitive Use: Unique typing: Water-type immune to Normal and Fighting, and Ghost-type not weak to Fairy or Dragon and resistant to Ice.
Is it OP?: Low physical bulk and lower overall bulk still makes it compete with the likes of Tapu Fini, Kyogre-Primal, Giratina, and Aegislash. Sample Set(s):
Jellicent @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Scald
- Worry Seed
- Recover
- U-turn
Old Stats: 95 117 80 65 70 92
Changes: +0 +25 +5 +35 +25 +10
New Stats: 95 142 85 100 95 102
Competitive Use: Combines the best of both worlds of Mega Garchomp and Mega Tyranitar as a powerful Ground type that can Pursuit Trap.
252 Atk Choice Band Adaptability Krookodile Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Registeel: 372-440 (102.1 - 120.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Adaptability Krookodile Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Groudon-Primal: 356-420 (88.1 - 103.9%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Adaptability Krookodile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Giratina: 428-508 (84.9 - 100.7%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Adaptability Krookodile Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-Y: 476-560 (114.4 - 134.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Mewtwo-Mega-Y Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Krookodile: 325-385 (82.4 - 97.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Gengar-Mega Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Krookodile: 326-384 (82.7 - 97.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Is it OP?: Still has underwhelming power compared to MegaChomp and Mega TTar, struggles against stuff like Big Zyg.
Sample Sets:
Krookodile @ Choice Band
Ability: Adaptability / Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant / Jolly Nature
- Knock Off
- Pursuit
- Thousand Arrows
- Precipice Blades / Secret Power
Old Stats: 223 101 53 97 53 43
Changes: +0 +2 +20 +4 +20 +54
New Stats: 223 103 73 101 73 97
Competitive Use: Sturdy wall with a decent typing and primary dark type.
252+ Atk Groudon-Primal V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Guzzlord in Harsh Sunshine: 271-320 (41.6 - 49.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Fleur Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Guzzlord: 452-532 (69.5 - 81.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Griseous Orb Giratina Core Enforcer vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Guzzlord: 258-306 (39.6 - 47%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Is it OP?: High Speed for a wall and big weakness to common types like Fairy, Dragon, and Bug is annoying.
Sample Sets:
Guzzlord @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Secret Power / Revelation Dance
- Core Enforcer
- U-turn
- Spectral Thief
Nidoking
Old Stats: 81 102 77 85 75 85
Changes: +0 +30 +10 +10 +20 +30
New Stats: 81 132 87 95 95 115
Competitive Use: Solid offensive typing with very good neutral and super effective coverage.
252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Nidoking Thousand Arrows vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Klefki: 368-436 (99.4 - 117.8%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Kyogre-Primal Revelation Dance vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Nidoking: 308-366 (84.1 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Sky Plate Aerilate Rayquaza-Mega Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Nidoking: 313-369 (85.5 - 100.8%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
Is it OP?: Extremely modest damage output means it relies heavily on Super Effectiveness.
Sample Sets:
Nidoking @ Choice Band
Ability: Mold Breaker / Adaptability
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly / Adamant Nature
- Thousand Arrows
- Precipice Blades
- Gunk Shot
- Pursuit / Sunsteel Strike
Bisharp
Old Stats: 65 125 100 60 70 70
Changes: +35 +10 +0 +0 +15 +40
New Stats: 100 135 100 60 85 110
Competitive Use: Good offensive STABs and decent defensive typing with alright bulk.
+6 252+ Atk Bisharp Power Trip (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde-Complete: 649-765 (102 - 120.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Mewtwo-Mega-Y Fleur Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bisharp: 168-198 (41.5 - 49%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Mewtwo-Mega-Y Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Bisharp: 336-396 (83.1 - 98%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Is it OP?: Bulk is still very mediocre and attack is also very mediocre. 4x weakness doesn't help.
Sample Sets:
Bisharp @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Unburden
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Belly Drum
- Sunsteel Strike
- Power Trip
- Close Combat
Bisharp @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Flash Fire / Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Careful Nature
- Secret Power / Knock Off
- Anchor Shot
- Spectral Thief
- Shore Up
Mega Altaria
Old Stats: 75 110 110 110 105 80
Changes: +35 +15 +0 +50 +0 +0
New Stats: 110 125 110 160 105 80
Competitive Use: Good defensive Unaware typing with STAB Core, good offensive presence with all round bulk.
252 Atk Life Orb Rayquaza-Mega Dragon Ascent vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Altaria-Mega: 175-208 (41.2 - 49%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 252+ Atk Tyranitar-Mega Sunsteel Strike vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Altaria-Mega: 346-408 (81.6 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Altaria-Mega Core Enforcer vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Zygarde-Complete: 312-368 (49 - 57.8%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO
Is it OP?: Offensively STABs don't have the greatest coverage and defensively typing is weak to stuff like Steel and Fairy.
Sample Sets:
Altaria-Mega @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Core Enforcer
- Spectral Thief
- Moonblast / Filler
- Shore Up
Old Stats: 100 60 70 85 105 60
Changes: +0 +35 +50 +35 +0 -20
New Stats: 100 95 120 120 105 40
Competitive Use: Solid pivot that can spread status.
+1 252+ Atk Regigigas Knock Off vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Jellicent: 174-206 (43 - 50.9%) -- 3.1% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Jellicent Scald vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Tyranitar-Mega: 174-206 (43 - 50.9%) -- 98.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Is it OP?: Pretty passive and relies on typing a lot. Weak to Pursuit.
Sample Sets:
Jellicent @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Scald
- King's Shield
- Leech Seed
- Parting Shot
Empoleon
Old Stats: 84 86 88 111 101 60
Changes: +60 -15 +65 -40 +5 +25
New Stats: 144 71 153 71 106 85
Competitive Use: Great typing combined with good special bulk allows it to check attackers like MMY and POgre.
252 Atk Life Orb Mewtwo-Mega-Y High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Empoleon: 218-257 (44.3 - 52.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Life Orb Mewtwo-Mega-Y Mind Blown vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Empoleon: 234-276 (47.5 - 56%) -- 25.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Is it OP?: Low offensive stats means very passive and high speed for a wall. Also highly reliant on being healthy and having lefties intact.
Sample Sets:
Empoleon @ Leftovers / Assault Vest / Armor / Jacket
Ability: Magic Bounce / Comatose / Fur Coat / Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Scald
- Spectral Thief
- Anchor Shot
- Shore Up / Core Enforcer
Tangrowth
Old Stats: 100 100 125 110 50 50
Changes: +0 +10 +15 +0 +50 +25
New Stats: 100 110 140 110 100 75
Competitive Use: A coveted Grass-type that gives a nice Ground resist.
+2 252 SpA Groudon-Primal Fleur Cannon vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Tangrowth over 2 turns: 340-400 (84.1 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Mold Breaker Garchomp-Mega Dragon Hammer vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Tangrowth: 186-219 (46 - 54.2%) -- 4.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Is it OP?: Grass also gives bad weaknesses to Flying and Bug.
Sample Sets:
Tangrowth @ Idek
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- U-turn
- Shore Up
- Poison Fang
- Spectral Thief Stakataka
Old Stats: 61 131 211 53 101 13
Changes: +35 +0 +0 +45 +5 +15
New Stats: 96 131 211 98 106 28
Competitive Use: Counters Rayquaza well with the correct ability bar TC CC.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Rayquaza-Mega Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Stakataka: 164-196 (41.4 - 49.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Diancie-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Stakataka: 200-236 (50.5 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Is it OP?: Dies to everything else.
Sample Sets:
Stakataka @ Still don't know
Ability: Fur Coat
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Anchor Shot
- Rock Blast / Secret Power
- Shore Up
- Core Enforcer
Bisharp Stats: 78/155/104/65/83/115
Summary of Changes: Turned into a decently fast steel type with a good bit of punch behind it
Competitive Use: bro you smack a scarf, adamant, and adaptability now you rkill mmy+ boosted xern thats friggen epic bruh you can even run band on it to have harder punch without being ttar speed.
252+ Atk Tough Claws Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-Y: 512-606 (123 - 145.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Tough Claws Bisharp Sunsteel Strike vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Xerneas: 434-512 (95.1 - 112.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Poison Hea
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You also bop imposter if you get the right predict.
252+ Atk Tough Claws Bisharp Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Chansey: 656-772 (93.1 - 109.6%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Tough Claws Bisharp Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Chansey: 436-516 (61.9 - 73.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(evio is obviously outsped)
Is it OP?: dont think so no
Sample Set(s):
Bisharp @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Sunsteel Strike
- Ice Hammer
- Close Combat
Empoleon Stats: 93/95/105/115/112/60
Summary of Changes: This mon doesnt really need any stat specialization, just a minor boost in stats in general.
Is it OP?: dont think so no
Sample Set(s):
Empoleon @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- U-turn
- Topsy-Turvy
- Defog
- Shore Up
Honestly this slates kinda wack. Lots of mons here I don't see the point of and wouldn't say its unlikely they wouldnt be gone in a meta-review slate. I really only care about the bisharp getting in.
