skippergamez, original, anaconja
original, anaconja, jayballester
gekokeso, anaconja, yoshiblaze
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Pet Mod [Gen 6] Megas Revisited - Ladder Challenge @ Post 469 - Balance Changes @ Post 494
- Thread starter Yoshiblaze
- Start date
skippergamez, original, anaconja original, anaconja, jayballester gekokeso, anaconja, yoshiblaze
Gravity Monkey, SKIPPERGAMEZ (SV), Tanny89k
Gravity Monkey, anaconja, SKIPPERGAMEZ (SV)
jayballestar, MegaFlareon, Tanny89k
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Original, Gravity Monkey (SV), Double Iron Bash Original, Yoshiblaze, anaconja, Gravity Monkey (SV) MegaFlareon, Deepblue, Gekoseko, Ema Skye, anaconja, Double Iron Bash
Reminder that you can only vote for yourself in second place at most, your current Venusaur votes are invalid.
Venusaur: Skippergamez, jayballester, Double Iron Bash, original, Gravity Monkey, Tanny89k
Charizard: Original, Gravity Monkey, jayballester
Blastoise: Gekokeso, jayballester, Yoshiblaze, Tanny89k
Charizard: Original, Gravity Monkey, jayballester
Blastoise: Gekokeso, jayballester, Yoshiblaze, Tanny89k
Venusaur: SKIPPERGAMEZ, Yoshiblaze (SV), Gravity Monkey, anaconja
Charizard: anaconja, MegaFlareon, Original, Yoshiblaze (SV)
Blastoise: I-Deepblue-I, Yoshiblaze (SV), Double Iron Bash, Ema Skye, anaconja, MegaFlareon
Charizard: anaconja, MegaFlareon, Original, Yoshiblaze (SV)
Blastoise: I-Deepblue-I, Yoshiblaze (SV), Double Iron Bash, Ema Skye, anaconja, MegaFlareon
Voting is now over, let's see what we get next!
Congrats to SKIPPERGAMEZ for winning Venusaur, anaconja for winning Charizard, and Yoshiblaze for winning Blastoise!
Lots of potentially meta-shifting stuff here, along with some much needed type diversity, excited to see how these play out!
Luckily, I won't have to wait long for that because, as this is our third completed slate, we will be having some playtesting roomtours this weekend!
On both Saturday, February 4th, and Sunday, February 5th, at 4 PM EST (subject to change, please let me know if this doesn't work for you), we will have roomtours on DragonHeaven!
Be sure to join the Discord to get notified when the roomtours begin, but to also teambuild and playtest your teams in preparation for the roomtours. These tournaments will be very important in determining the power level of the metagame with the 9 Megas we have, some possible buffs and nerfs to our Megas, and giving us direction in what we should slate next. I hope to see you guys there!
Slate 4 will start after the roomtour(s) later in the day on Sunday!
See you soon!
Venusaur:
SKIPPERGAMEZ - 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 = 19
Tanny89k - 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 8
Gravity Monkey - 3 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 17
Yoshiblaze - 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 = 12
Original - 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 14
DIB - 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 8
MegaFlareon - 2 + 1 = 3
jayballester - 2 + 1 = 3
anaconja - 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 4
Charizard:
SKIPPERGAMEZ - 3 + 1 = 4
Tanny89k - 3 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 11
Yoshiblaze - 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 10
Gravity Monkey - 3 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 9
Original - 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 18
anaconja - 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 21
MegaFlareon - 2 + 2 + 1 = 5
jayballester - 2 + 1 + 1 = 4
Blastoise:
Yoshiblaze - 3 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 17
anaconja - 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 13
|-DeepBlue-| - 3 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 1 = 14
Gekokeso - 3 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 11
jayballester - 3 + 2 + 1 = 6
MegaFlareon - 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 = 10
Tanny89k - 3 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 6
DIB - 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 6
Ema Skye - 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 8
SKIPPERGAMEZ - 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 = 19
Tanny89k - 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 8
Gravity Monkey - 3 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 17
Yoshiblaze - 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 = 12
Original - 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 14
DIB - 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 8
MegaFlareon - 2 + 1 = 3
jayballester - 2 + 1 = 3
anaconja - 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 4
Charizard:
SKIPPERGAMEZ - 3 + 1 = 4
Tanny89k - 3 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 11
Yoshiblaze - 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 10
Gravity Monkey - 3 + 3 + 2 + 1 = 9
Original - 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 18
anaconja - 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 21
MegaFlareon - 2 + 2 + 1 = 5
jayballester - 2 + 1 + 1 = 4
Blastoise:
Yoshiblaze - 3 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 17
anaconja - 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 13
|-DeepBlue-| - 3 + 3 + 3 + 2 + 2 + 1 = 14
Gekokeso - 3 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 11
jayballester - 3 + 2 + 1 = 6
MegaFlareon - 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 + 1 = 10
Tanny89k - 3 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 6
DIB - 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 6
Ema Skye - 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 8
Type: Grass/Poison
Ability: Grassy Surge
Stats: 80/82/123 (+40)/120 (+20)/120 (+20)/100 (+20)
New Moves: Earth Power, Psychic, Calm Mind
Description: It is speedier, speciallier (no it’s not), and cooler ability. Grassy Surge powers up it’s grass moves and weakens opposing EQs (also everything Yoshibalze said)
Name: Mega Charizard Y
Type: Fire / Flying
Ability: Delta Stream
Stats: 78 / 119 (+25) / 103 (+25) / 134 (+25) / 110 (+25) / 100 | 634
Description: original is also v good but heres my take. its another weather guy but focuses more on the removal of other weather part than the offensive wallbreaking part. spread out stats allows it to perform like defensive charizard in lower tiers but with lesser rock move weakness so you can wisp that excadrill and no elec weakness so you can stay in on zapdos and stuff.
Name: Mega Blastoise
Type:
Ability: Misty Surge
Stats: 79 / 83 / 130 (+30) / 135 (+50) / 105 / 98 (+20) [630 BST]
New Moves: Dazzling Gleam, Draining Kiss, Moonblast, Misty Terrain, Taunt
Description: I originally wanted to do Drizzle Blastoise, but someone already did that, so let's go for another field effect. Water/Fairy is a great typing right now, allowing Mega Blastoise to check Lopunny, Houndoom, and soft check Glalie and Lucario. This makes Blastoise a great physical wall to have even with its continued lack of recovery. Blastoise would basically play like a PhysDef Tapu Fini, removing hazards and being a sturdy but temporary roadblock that fits on balance or bulky offense teams, which is why Taunt and Draining Kiss were added, plus a slight Speed boost to make Taunt more appealing. High SpA keeps Blastoise from being passive, especially since it can't Scald burn for 5 turns.
Lots of potentially meta-shifting stuff here, along with some much needed type diversity, excited to see how these play out!
Luckily, I won't have to wait long for that because, as this is our third completed slate, we will be having some playtesting roomtours this weekend!
On both Saturday, February 4th, and Sunday, February 5th, at 4 PM EST (subject to change, please let me know if this doesn't work for you), we will have roomtours on DragonHeaven!
Be sure to join the Discord to get notified when the roomtours begin, but to also teambuild and playtest your teams in preparation for the roomtours. These tournaments will be very important in determining the power level of the metagame with the 9 Megas we have, some possible buffs and nerfs to our Megas, and giving us direction in what we should slate next. I hope to see you guys there!
Slate 4 will start after the roomtour(s) later in the day on Sunday!
See you soon!
We had our first playtesting roomtours of the mod today, with not one but two roomtours today! Let's see what went down:
Tour 1 - Round Robin - 4 Entrants
1st: Yoshiblaze
2nd: Gravity Monkey
3rd: Tanny89k
4th: faithviolet
[Gen 6] Megas Revisited Roomtour Usage Stats
Leads
Tour 2 - Round Robin - 6 Entrants
1st: Tanny89k
2nd: Gekokeso
2nd: jayballester
4th: faithviolet
[Gen 6] Megas Revisited Roomtour Usage Stats
Leads
Megas Revisited First Two Roomtours Usage Stats
Leads
Lots of great data from these tours, especially the second one!
There already been a lot of great discussion on the meta on Discord, but I'll add in a couple extra bits now that I have these numbers:
- All 3 Kanto starter Megas have been regarded as the best Megas right now and the usage stats more than back this up. Across both tours, Venusaur was the third most used Mega at 6 uses and had a 100% win rate, which is absolutely insane. Both Blastoise and Charizard also managed a 100% win rate at 4 uses and 2 uses respectively. Being the highest BST Megas and all having very strong abilities helps them quite a lot, so it's no wonder why they're so good. However, it's still early and, while very good, none of them have quite stood out as straight up broken right now, just overtuned at worst. Nonetheless, if any of the nine Megas we have were to get nerfed, it'd be one or more of these 3.
- The most used Mega was Banette at a whopping 8 uses, but it also had one of the worst winrates at just 12.50%. This means that it won just one game, which happened to be a Mega Banette mirror match. Banette isn't terrible or anything, just highly specific and in my opinion the second worst Mega right now. Might warrant some more exploration.
- As for the other Megas:
-- Houndoom had an alright showing, with the second most uses and a meh winrate at 43%. Blastoise existing hurts it (though Toise can't switch in to Sludge Bombs very often), but it doesn't mind Venusaur or Zard too much.
-- Audino and Lopunny were tied at 5 uses, just below Venusaur, with Audino being a bit more successful than Lopunny. Lopunny losing to both literally all 3 Kanto starters sucks a lot for it, but it still has a pretty dominating matchup against the other 6 Megas, still making it a huge threat. Juts bring a Blastoise check if you're gonna use it. Meanwhile, Audino is existent, you can't go too wrong with a fat Regen blob and it forms a devious Regen core with Tornadus, but it's still very passive as a Mega.
-- Lucario only had 1 win in 3 uses, but I find it to be pretty good despite the stats. Physical sets have sprung up recently as being very dangerous, as STAB CC and Meteor Mash still hit hard off of its meh 125 Attack, especially after a Swords Dance, supplemented by ESpeed being as good as ever for stuff like Mega Lopunny. Special sets haven't been as successful so far despite its 140 Special Attack, but destroying the opponent's Blastoise with a +2 Flash Cannon sounds like a valid option.
-- Last is Glalie, who only had 2 uses, with 1 win. Glalie is probably the worst Mega right now, just being a bit too weak to be a threat. Not a bad mon, just not quite at the level of most of the other Megas. Not making any promises, but if anything got buffed, it'd be Glalie.
- As for non-Mega Pokemon, not too much has changed for a lot of them. Excadrill, Landorus-T, Clefable, and Tornadus-T are all still excellent, Cofagrigus is still good which I like to see, and the same story goes for most other non-Megas. A couple really good base ORAS non-Megas didn't see much use in the tour, like Weavile, Rotom-Wash, Talonflame, and Zapdos, each of which have a been slightly nerfed by one or more of the new Megas, all of whom should still be good (Talonflame especially, who was great in the one game it was used in).
And that's all for today! We'll have another roomtour or two tomorrow starting at 4 PM EST, so I hope to see you there!
Tour 1 - Round Robin - 4 Entrants
1st: Yoshiblaze
2nd: Gravity Monkey
3rd: Tanny89k
4th: faithviolet
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| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Landorus-Therian | 7 | 58.33% | 42.86% |
| 2 | Clefable | 5 | 41.67% | 40.00% |
| 2 | Tyranitar | 5 | 41.67% | 20.00% |
| 2 | Excadrill | 5 | 41.67% | 20.00% |
| 5 | Tangrowth | 4 | 33.33% | 50.00% |
| 6 | Heatran | 3 | 25.00% | 100.00% |
| 6 | Starmie | 3 | 25.00% | 100.00% |
| 8 | Venusaur | 2 | 16.67% | 100.00% |
| 8 | Blastoise | 2 | 16.67% | 100.00% |
| 8 | Jirachi | 2 | 16.67% | 100.00% |
| 8 | Kyurem-Black | 2 | 16.67% | 100.00% |
| 8 | Gliscor | 2 | 16.67% | 100.00% |
| 8 | Breloom | 2 | 16.67% | 50.00% |
| 8 | Raikou | 2 | 16.67% | 50.00% |
| 8 | Lucario | 2 | 16.67% | 50.00% |
| 8 | Alakazam | 2 | 16.67% | 0.00% |
| 8 | Banette | 2 | 16.67% | 0.00% |
| 8 | Houndoom | 2 | 16.67% | 0.00% |
| 8 | Zapdos | 2 | 16.67% | 0.00% |
| 8 | Zygarde | 2 | 16.67% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Latias | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Terrakion | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Talonflame | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Ferrothorn | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Charizard | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Bisharp | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Tornadus-Therian | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Serperior | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Glalie | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Volcarona | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Hoopa | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Conkeldurr | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Crawdaunt | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Tentacruel | 1 | 8.33% | 0.00% |
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| 1 | Landorus-Therian | 4 | 33.33% | 25.00% |
| 2 | Kyurem-Black | 2 | 16.67% | 100.00% |
| 2 | Raikou | 2 | 16.67% | 50.00% |
| 2 | Zygarde | 2 | 16.67% | 0.00% |
| 5 | Clefable | 1 | 8.33% | 100.00% |
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Tour 2 - Round Robin - 6 Entrants
1st: Tanny89k
2nd: Gekokeso
2nd: jayballester
4th: faithviolet
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| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Clefable | 13 | 43.33% | 38.46% |
| 2 | Excadrill | 12 | 40.00% | 50.00% |
| 3 | Tornadus-Therian | 11 | 36.67% | 72.73% |
| 3 | Landorus-Therian | 11 | 36.67% | 27.27% |
| 5 | Heatran | 10 | 33.33% | 50.00% |
| 6 | Serperior | 9 | 30.00% | 33.33% |
| 7 | Slowbro | 7 | 23.33% | 14.29% |
| 8 | Breloom | 6 | 20.00% | 33.33% |
| 8 | Conkeldurr | 6 | 20.00% | 33.33% |
| 8 | Banette | 6 | 20.00% | 16.67% |
| 11 | Houndoom | 5 | 16.67% | 60.00% |
| 11 | Audino | 5 | 16.67% | 40.00% |
| 11 | Lopunny | 5 | 16.67% | 20.00% |
| 14 | Venusaur | 4 | 13.33% | 100.00% |
| 14 | Tyranitar | 4 | 13.33% | 100.00% |
| 14 | Zapdos | 4 | 13.33% | 100.00% |
| 14 | Starmie | 4 | 13.33% | 75.00% |
| 14 | Cofagrigus | 4 | 13.33% | 75.00% |
| 14 | Garchomp | 4 | 13.33% | 75.00% |
| 20 | Volcarona | 3 | 10.00% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Milotic | 2 | 6.67% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Chansey | 2 | 6.67% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Blastoise | 2 | 6.67% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Jirachi | 2 | 6.67% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Zygarde | 2 | 6.67% | 100.00% |
| 21 | Azelf | 2 | 6.67% | 50.00% |
| 21 | Amoonguss | 2 | 6.67% | 50.00% |
| 21 | Gliscor | 2 | 6.67% | 50.00% |
| 21 | Azumarill | 2 | 6.67% | 50.00% |
| 21 | Ferrothorn | 2 | 6.67% | 50.00% |
| 21 | Mew | 2 | 6.67% | 50.00% |
| 21 | Weavile | 2 | 6.67% | 50.00% |
| 21 | Latias | 2 | 6.67% | 50.00% |
| 21 | Keldeo | 2 | 6.67% | 50.00% |
| 21 | Raikou | 2 | 6.67% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Hoopa | 2 | 6.67% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Crawdaunt | 2 | 6.67% | 0.00% |
| 21 | Uxie | 2 | 6.67% | 0.00% |
| 39 | Bisharp | 1 | 3.33% | 100.00% |
| 39 | Charizard | 1 | 3.33% | 100.00% |
| 39 | Thundurus-Therian | 1 | 3.33% | 100.00% |
| 39 | Quagsire | 1 | 3.33% | 100.00% |
| 39 | Rotom-Wash | 1 | 3.33% | 100.00% |
| 39 | Skarmory | 1 | 3.33% | 100.00% |
| 39 | Kyurem-Black | 1 | 3.33% | 100.00% |
| 39 | Glalie | 1 | 3.33% | 100.00% |
| 39 | Manaphy | 1 | 3.33% | 0.00% |
| 39 | Lucario | 1 | 3.33% | 0.00% |
| 39 | Thundurus | 1 | 3.33% | 0.00% |
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| Rank | Leads | Use | Usage % | Win % |
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| 1 | Landorus-Therian | 4 | 13.33% | 50.00% |
| 1 | Audino | 4 | 13.33% | 50.00% |
| 1 | Banette | 4 | 13.33% | 0.00% |
| 4 | Tornadus-Therian | 3 | 10.00% | 66.67% |
| 5 | Zygarde | 2 | 6.67% | 100.00% |
| 5 | Lopunny | 2 | 6.67% | 0.00% |
| 7 | Tyranitar | 1 | 3.33% | 100.00% |
| 7 | Charizard | 1 | 3.33% | 100.00% |
| 7 | Venusaur | 1 | 3.33% | 100.00% |
| 7 | Zapdos | 1 | 3.33% | 100.00% |
| 7 | Houndoom | 1 | 3.33% | 100.00% |
| 7 | Blastoise | 1 | 3.33% | 100.00% |
| 7 | Garchomp | 1 | 3.33% | 100.00% |
| 7 | Serperior | 1 | 3.33% | 0.00% |
| 7 | Azelf | 1 | 3.33% | 0.00% |
| 7 | Excadrill | 1 | 3.33% | 0.00% |
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| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
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| 1 | Clefable | 18 | 42.86% | 38.89% |
| 1 | Landorus-Therian | 18 | 42.86% | 33.33% |
| 3 | Excadrill | 17 | 40.48% | 41.18% |
| 4 | Heatran | 13 | 30.95% | 61.54% |
| 5 | Tornadus-Therian | 12 | 28.57% | 75.00% |
| 6 | Serperior | 10 | 23.81% | 40.00% |
| 7 | Tyranitar | 9 | 21.43% | 55.56% |
| 8 | Breloom | 8 | 19.05% | 37.50% |
| 8 | Banette | 8 | 19.05% | 12.50% |
| 10 | Starmie | 7 | 16.67% | 85.71% |
| 10 | Houndoom | 7 | 16.67% | 42.86% |
| 10 | Conkeldurr | 7 | 16.67% | 28.57% |
| 10 | Slowbro | 7 | 16.67% | 14.29% |
| 14 | Venusaur | 6 | 14.29% | 100.00% |
| 14 | Zapdos | 6 | 14.29% | 66.67% |
| 16 | Audino | 5 | 11.90% | 40.00% |
| 16 | Lopunny | 5 | 11.90% | 20.00% |
| 18 | Blastoise | 4 | 9.52% | 100.00% |
| 18 | Jirachi | 4 | 9.52% | 100.00% |
| 18 | Cofagrigus | 4 | 9.52% | 75.00% |
| 18 | Gliscor | 4 | 9.52% | 75.00% |
| 18 | Garchomp | 4 | 9.52% | 75.00% |
| 18 | Zygarde | 4 | 9.52% | 50.00% |
| 18 | Tangrowth | 4 | 9.52% | 50.00% |
| 18 | Raikou | 4 | 9.52% | 25.00% |
| 18 | Volcarona | 4 | 9.52% | 0.00% |
| 27 | Kyurem-Black | 3 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 27 | Ferrothorn | 3 | 7.14% | 66.67% |
| 27 | Latias | 3 | 7.14% | 66.67% |
| 27 | Lucario | 3 | 7.14% | 33.33% |
| 27 | Hoopa | 3 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 27 | Crawdaunt | 3 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 33 | Bisharp | 2 | 4.76% | 100.00% |
| 33 | Milotic | 2 | 4.76% | 100.00% |
| 33 | Charizard | 2 | 4.76% | 100.00% |
| 33 | Chansey | 2 | 4.76% | 100.00% |
| 33 | Azelf | 2 | 4.76% | 50.00% |
| 33 | Amoonguss | 2 | 4.76% | 50.00% |
| 33 | Azumarill | 2 | 4.76% | 50.00% |
| 33 | Mew | 2 | 4.76% | 50.00% |
| 33 | Weavile | 2 | 4.76% | 50.00% |
| 33 | Keldeo | 2 | 4.76% | 50.00% |
| 33 | Glalie | 2 | 4.76% | 50.00% |
| 33 | Uxie | 2 | 4.76% | 0.00% |
| 33 | Alakazam | 2 | 4.76% | 0.00% |
| 46 | Thundurus-Therian | 1 | 2.38% | 100.00% |
| 46 | Quagsire | 1 | 2.38% | 100.00% |
| 46 | Rotom-Wash | 1 | 2.38% | 100.00% |
| 46 | Skarmory | 1 | 2.38% | 100.00% |
| 46 | Terrakion | 1 | 2.38% | 100.00% |
| 46 | Talonflame | 1 | 2.38% | 100.00% |
| 46 | Manaphy | 1 | 2.38% | 0.00% |
| 46 | Thundurus | 1 | 2.38% | 0.00% |
| 46 | Tentacruel | 1 | 2.38% | 0.00% |
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| Rank | Leads | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ----------------------- + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Landorus-Therian | 8 | 19.05% | 37.50% |
| 2 | Audino | 4 | 9.52% | 50.00% |
| 2 | Zygarde | 4 | 9.52% | 50.00% |
| 2 | Banette | 4 | 9.52% | 0.00% |
| 5 | Tornadus-Therian | 3 | 7.14% | 66.67% |
| 6 | Tyranitar | 2 | 4.76% | 100.00% |
| 6 | Kyurem-Black | 2 | 4.76% | 100.00% |
| 6 | Raikou | 2 | 4.76% | 50.00% |
| 6 | Lopunny | 2 | 4.76% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Charizard | 1 | 2.38% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Venusaur | 1 | 2.38% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Zapdos | 1 | 2.38% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Houndoom | 1 | 2.38% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Blastoise | 1 | 2.38% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Garchomp | 1 | 2.38% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Clefable | 1 | 2.38% | 100.00% |
| 10 | Serperior | 1 | 2.38% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Azelf | 1 | 2.38% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Excadrill | 1 | 2.38% | 0.00% |
| 10 | Weavile | 1 | 2.38% | 0.00% |Lots of great data from these tours, especially the second one!
There already been a lot of great discussion on the meta on Discord, but I'll add in a couple extra bits now that I have these numbers:
- All 3 Kanto starter Megas have been regarded as the best Megas right now and the usage stats more than back this up. Across both tours, Venusaur was the third most used Mega at 6 uses and had a 100% win rate, which is absolutely insane. Both Blastoise and Charizard also managed a 100% win rate at 4 uses and 2 uses respectively. Being the highest BST Megas and all having very strong abilities helps them quite a lot, so it's no wonder why they're so good. However, it's still early and, while very good, none of them have quite stood out as straight up broken right now, just overtuned at worst. Nonetheless, if any of the nine Megas we have were to get nerfed, it'd be one or more of these 3.
- The most used Mega was Banette at a whopping 8 uses, but it also had one of the worst winrates at just 12.50%. This means that it won just one game, which happened to be a Mega Banette mirror match. Banette isn't terrible or anything, just highly specific and in my opinion the second worst Mega right now. Might warrant some more exploration.
- As for the other Megas:
-- Houndoom had an alright showing, with the second most uses and a meh winrate at 43%. Blastoise existing hurts it (though Toise can't switch in to Sludge Bombs very often), but it doesn't mind Venusaur or Zard too much.
-- Audino and Lopunny were tied at 5 uses, just below Venusaur, with Audino being a bit more successful than Lopunny. Lopunny losing to both literally all 3 Kanto starters sucks a lot for it, but it still has a pretty dominating matchup against the other 6 Megas, still making it a huge threat. Juts bring a Blastoise check if you're gonna use it. Meanwhile, Audino is existent, you can't go too wrong with a fat Regen blob and it forms a devious Regen core with Tornadus, but it's still very passive as a Mega.
-- Lucario only had 1 win in 3 uses, but I find it to be pretty good despite the stats. Physical sets have sprung up recently as being very dangerous, as STAB CC and Meteor Mash still hit hard off of its meh 125 Attack, especially after a Swords Dance, supplemented by ESpeed being as good as ever for stuff like Mega Lopunny. Special sets haven't been as successful so far despite its 140 Special Attack, but destroying the opponent's Blastoise with a +2 Flash Cannon sounds like a valid option.
-- Last is Glalie, who only had 2 uses, with 1 win. Glalie is probably the worst Mega right now, just being a bit too weak to be a threat. Not a bad mon, just not quite at the level of most of the other Megas. Not making any promises, but if anything got buffed, it'd be Glalie.
- As for non-Mega Pokemon, not too much has changed for a lot of them. Excadrill, Landorus-T, Clefable, and Tornadus-T are all still excellent, Cofagrigus is still good which I like to see, and the same story goes for most other non-Megas. A couple really good base ORAS non-Megas didn't see much use in the tour, like Weavile, Rotom-Wash, Talonflame, and Zapdos, each of which have a been slightly nerfed by one or more of the new Megas, all of whom should still be good (Talonflame especially, who was great in the one game it was used in).
And that's all for today! We'll have another roomtour or two tomorrow starting at 4 PM EST, so I hope to see you there!
A third roomtour was played today to close out the weekend, let's see what happened!
Tour 3 - Double Elimination - 8 Entrants
1st: Gravity Monkey
2nd: Yoshiblaze
3rd: G-Luke
4th: Tanny89k
Megas Revisited Roomtour Usage Stats
Leads
Not too much has changed from our general takeaways from yesterday, just a couple notes to highlight here:
- Banette won some games and that weren't Banette mirrors! It did literally nothing in both of its wins but a win is a win is a win
- I still think Mega Venusaur is the best Mega rn, coming in with another 100% winrate outing (winning 9 out of 9 games across the weekend). Mega Zard Y, the Mega it has the worst matchup against, wasn't used at all however, so it didn't get to face one of its best checks. Nonetheless, while we won't be nerfing anything right now, I wouldn't be surprised if Venu was the first Mega to get nerfed.
- As for other Megas, Houndoom and Audino did pretty good in different ways, Lucario regressed quite a bit going 0-2, Glalie had a pretty sad showing with just 1 use and no wins, and Blastoise did great but did take its first loss of the weekend (against another Blastoise team but still)
- As for non-Megas, it was probably just because it has a good matchup against the teams I used but man Tornadus-T go crazy. It loves that it can pretty easily take on the two best Megas (being Venusaur and Blastoise imo) and serve as a great partner to Mega Audino while still providing the same utility it always did. I probably would've lost to it twice in a row had my Gliscor not dodged 5 Hurricanes in a row to 1v1 it.
- Heatran is also as good as ever, partially because of Mega Venusaur's Grassy Surge, but overall it just great. It doesn't like Blastoise too much, but no other Mega safely switches in and very few can kill it without chip damage (just Lucario and Lopunny)
- 4 uses for Sylveon is funny to see. 3 were from the same Trick Room team, but still a funny outlier since it's above all of its teammates on that team and ties with staples like Blastoise, Ferrothorn, and Clefable
Overall, the metagame seems to be pretty fine right now. The Kanto Starter Megas are all strong but not quite broken and most of the other Megas have a place. However, we do want to address 2 of the weaker Megas, being Banette and Glalie, giving them some quick buffs that will hopefully allow them to keep up with our current Megas as well as the next batch of 9 before the next roomtour session:
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Banette will receive the move Powder - This seems super out of nowhere on paper, but let me explain. Powder is a super rare move only learned by Vivillon in Gen 6 with a very interesting effect. If the target tries using a Fire-type move after being hit by Powder, the powder explodes, the Fire move user loses 25% of its HP, and the move fails. This effect is already neat, but then you see that the move has +1 priority and is also a status move and stuff starts getting a little clearer. With Powder, not only can Banette pivot out with priority, but it can also mess with opposing Fire-types that normally destroy it while also making it easier for Fire-weak teammates to come in. While Banette is also likely due for some stat buffs, this will be the only thing we give it for now as Powder is a pretty strong and potentially annoying option, so we want to see how it does by itself before doing anything else. At the very least, most Fire move users have a way to get around Powder and still threaten Banette (Heatran has Earth Power, Houndoom has Dark Pulse, Talonflame can 1v1 it even without Flare Blitz or Will-O-Wisp, most Wisp users can just attack it, etc.)
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Glalie will receive the following stat changes: +50 Atk, -30 Def, -10 SpD, -10 Spe (New Spread: 80/175/70/80/70/105) - This is another weird looking one as you may be saying "Yoshi, 175 Attack on a fast Ice-type, are you crazy????", but this is actually a lot less crazy than it may seem. Glalie's biggest problem so far is that it's just too weak to threaten most things. Even with Strong Jaw, Ice Fang and Thunder Fang still did poor damage, Iron Head was a poor STAB move, and its coverage wasn't very strong either. Plus, it speedtied with Lucario and Houndoom, which can both destroy it if they win the tie. Tying with Lucario in particular made the two compete with each other, as they were both initially weak offensive Steel-types with 115 Speed. So, we decided to give Glalie a bit of an overhaul to fix its issues of being too weak and a little outclassed by Lucario. 175 Attack gives its fairly poor STAB moves a lot more of a punch. 175 is a very big number, but you could compare it to Mega Medicham, who managed to be balanced in vanilla ORAS despite having many better traits than 175 Attack Glalie (not initially weak to Stealth Rock, stronger STABs, priority, some bulk thanks to its ability giving it power, etc.). Thus, Glalie should still be strong, but not too strong. This strength also differentiates it from every other Mega as none of them are nearly as strong initially. The drop to its Speed does hurt a little bit, but that keeps it from be too hard to deal with and it still outspeeds important targets like Garchomp anyway.
And that's all! Slate 4 will start shortly!
Tour 3 - Double Elimination - 8 Entrants
1st: Gravity Monkey
2nd: Yoshiblaze
3rd: G-Luke
4th: Tanny89k
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| Rank | Pokemon | Use | Usage % | Win % |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1 | Excadrill | 10 | 35.71% | 60.00% |
| 2 | Tornadus-Therian | 9 | 32.14% | 66.67% |
| 3 | Cofagrigus | 6 | 21.43% | 66.67% |
| 3 | Keldeo | 6 | 21.43% | 50.00% |
| 3 | Talonflame | 6 | 21.43% | 50.00% |
| 6 | Tyranitar | 5 | 17.86% | 80.00% |
| 6 | Audino | 5 | 17.86% | 60.00% |
| 6 | Serperior | 5 | 17.86% | 60.00% |
| 6 | Heatran | 5 | 17.86% | 60.00% |
| 6 | Houndoom | 5 | 17.86% | 60.00% |
| 6 | Banette | 5 | 17.86% | 40.00% |
| 6 | Garchomp | 5 | 17.86% | 40.00% |
| 6 | Landorus-Therian | 5 | 17.86% | 40.00% |
| 14 | Blastoise | 4 | 14.29% | 75.00% |
| 14 | Sylveon | 4 | 14.29% | 50.00% |
| 14 | Clefable | 4 | 14.29% | 50.00% |
| 14 | Ferrothorn | 4 | 14.29% | 50.00% |
| 14 | Breloom | 4 | 14.29% | 25.00% |
| 19 | Venusaur | 3 | 10.71% | 100.00% |
| 19 | Crawdaunt | 3 | 10.71% | 66.67% |
| 19 | Cresselia | 3 | 10.71% | 66.67% |
| 19 | Conkeldurr | 3 | 10.71% | 66.67% |
| 19 | Hippowdon | 3 | 10.71% | 66.67% |
| 19 | Volcanion | 3 | 10.71% | 66.67% |
| 19 | Latias | 3 | 10.71% | 66.67% |
| 19 | Weavile | 3 | 10.71% | 66.67% |
| 19 | Tangrowth | 3 | 10.71% | 33.33% |
| 19 | Starmie | 3 | 10.71% | 33.33% |
| 19 | Latios | 3 | 10.71% | 33.33% |
| 30 | Jirachi | 2 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 30 | Thundurus | 2 | 7.14% | 50.00% |
| 30 | Bisharp | 2 | 7.14% | 50.00% |
| 30 | Durant | 2 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 30 | Heliolisk | 2 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 30 | Staraptor | 2 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 30 | Cloyster | 2 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 30 | Rotom-Heat | 2 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 30 | Porygon-Z | 2 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 30 | Volcarona | 2 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 30 | Rotom-Wash | 2 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 30 | Lucario | 2 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 42 | Thundurus-Therian | 1 | 3.57% | 100.00% |
| 42 | Milotic | 1 | 3.57% | 100.00% |
| 42 | Zapdos | 1 | 3.57% | 100.00% |
| 42 | Kyurem-Black | 1 | 3.57% | 100.00% |
| 42 | Gliscor | 1 | 3.57% | 100.00% |
| 42 | Terrakion | 1 | 3.57% | 100.00% |
| 42 | Glalie | 1 | 3.57% | 0.00% |
| 42 | Gengar | 1 | 3.57% | 0.00% |
| 42 | Slowbro | 1 | 3.57% | 0.00% |
| 42 | Victini | 1 | 3.57% | 0.00% |
| 42 | Snorlax | 1 | 3.57% | 0.00% |
| 42 | Azelf | 1 | 3.57% | 0.00% |
| 42 | Dragonite | 1 | 3.57% | 0.00% |
| 42 | Raikou | 1 | 3.57% | 0.00% |
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| Rank | Leads | Use | Usage % | Win % |
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| 1 | Tornadus-Therian | 4 | 14.29% | 50.00% |
| 2 | Excadrill | 2 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 2 | Venusaur | 2 | 7.14% | 100.00% |
| 2 | Cresselia | 2 | 7.14% | 50.00% |
| 2 | Audino | 2 | 7.14% | 50.00% |
| 2 | Weavile | 2 | 7.14% | 50.00% |
| 2 | Breloom | 2 | 7.14% | 0.00% |
| 8 | Cofagrigus | 1 | 3.57% | 100.00% |
| 8 | Heatran | 1 | 3.57% | 100.00% |
| 8 | Tyranitar | 1 | 3.57% | 100.00% |
| 8 | Zapdos | 1 | 3.57% | 100.00% |
| 8 | Kyurem-Black | 1 | 3.57% | 100.00% |
| 8 | Staraptor | 1 | 3.57% | 0.00% |
| 8 | Glalie | 1 | 3.57% | 0.00% |
| 8 | Cloyster | 1 | 3.57% | 0.00% |
| 8 | Banette | 1 | 3.57% | 0.00% |
| 8 | Victini | 1 | 3.57% | 0.00% |
| 8 | Azelf | 1 | 3.57% | 0.00% |
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Not too much has changed from our general takeaways from yesterday, just a couple notes to highlight here:
- Banette won some games and that weren't Banette mirrors! It did literally nothing in both of its wins but a win is a win is a win
- I still think Mega Venusaur is the best Mega rn, coming in with another 100% winrate outing (winning 9 out of 9 games across the weekend). Mega Zard Y, the Mega it has the worst matchup against, wasn't used at all however, so it didn't get to face one of its best checks. Nonetheless, while we won't be nerfing anything right now, I wouldn't be surprised if Venu was the first Mega to get nerfed.
- As for other Megas, Houndoom and Audino did pretty good in different ways, Lucario regressed quite a bit going 0-2, Glalie had a pretty sad showing with just 1 use and no wins, and Blastoise did great but did take its first loss of the weekend (against another Blastoise team but still)
- As for non-Megas, it was probably just because it has a good matchup against the teams I used but man Tornadus-T go crazy. It loves that it can pretty easily take on the two best Megas (being Venusaur and Blastoise imo) and serve as a great partner to Mega Audino while still providing the same utility it always did. I probably would've lost to it twice in a row had my Gliscor not dodged 5 Hurricanes in a row to 1v1 it.
- Heatran is also as good as ever, partially because of Mega Venusaur's Grassy Surge, but overall it just great. It doesn't like Blastoise too much, but no other Mega safely switches in and very few can kill it without chip damage (just Lucario and Lopunny)
- 4 uses for Sylveon is funny to see. 3 were from the same Trick Room team, but still a funny outlier since it's above all of its teammates on that team and ties with staples like Blastoise, Ferrothorn, and Clefable
Overall, the metagame seems to be pretty fine right now. The Kanto Starter Megas are all strong but not quite broken and most of the other Megas have a place. However, we do want to address 2 of the weaker Megas, being Banette and Glalie, giving them some quick buffs that will hopefully allow them to keep up with our current Megas as well as the next batch of 9 before the next roomtour session:
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Banette will receive the move Powder - This seems super out of nowhere on paper, but let me explain. Powder is a super rare move only learned by Vivillon in Gen 6 with a very interesting effect. If the target tries using a Fire-type move after being hit by Powder, the powder explodes, the Fire move user loses 25% of its HP, and the move fails. This effect is already neat, but then you see that the move has +1 priority and is also a status move and stuff starts getting a little clearer. With Powder, not only can Banette pivot out with priority, but it can also mess with opposing Fire-types that normally destroy it while also making it easier for Fire-weak teammates to come in. While Banette is also likely due for some stat buffs, this will be the only thing we give it for now as Powder is a pretty strong and potentially annoying option, so we want to see how it does by itself before doing anything else. At the very least, most Fire move users have a way to get around Powder and still threaten Banette (Heatran has Earth Power, Houndoom has Dark Pulse, Talonflame can 1v1 it even without Flare Blitz or Will-O-Wisp, most Wisp users can just attack it, etc.)-
Glalie will receive the following stat changes: +50 Atk, -30 Def, -10 SpD, -10 Spe (New Spread: 80/175/70/80/70/105) - This is another weird looking one as you may be saying "Yoshi, 175 Attack on a fast Ice-type, are you crazy????", but this is actually a lot less crazy than it may seem. Glalie's biggest problem so far is that it's just too weak to threaten most things. Even with Strong Jaw, Ice Fang and Thunder Fang still did poor damage, Iron Head was a poor STAB move, and its coverage wasn't very strong either. Plus, it speedtied with Lucario and Houndoom, which can both destroy it if they win the tie. Tying with Lucario in particular made the two compete with each other, as they were both initially weak offensive Steel-types with 115 Speed. So, we decided to give Glalie a bit of an overhaul to fix its issues of being too weak and a little outclassed by Lucario. 175 Attack gives its fairly poor STAB moves a lot more of a punch. 175 is a very big number, but you could compare it to Mega Medicham, who managed to be balanced in vanilla ORAS despite having many better traits than 175 Attack Glalie (not initially weak to Stealth Rock, stronger STABs, priority, some bulk thanks to its ability giving it power, etc.). Thus, Glalie should still be strong, but not too strong. This strength also differentiates it from every other Mega as none of them are nearly as strong initially. The drop to its Speed does hurt a little bit, but that keeps it from be too hard to deal with and it still outspeeds important targets like Garchomp anyway.And that's all! Slate 4 will start shortly!
Tournament was very fun! Nice to see so much people actively interest in the mod. Anyways, here is slate 4:
Submissions will end in 7 Days. Due to being banned to Ubers, Original Mega Gengar will not be eligible for voting, also extremely careful with stats move additions on Zam and Gengar (although if someone submits Regular zam but with +100 bst instead of 90 that will instantly get my vote). That should be it, happy posting!
- Slate 4: Gamefreak has my family hostage so another Kanto slate it is -
Alakazam, Gengar, Pinsir
For this next slate, we will be looking at the mega evolutions of another 3 Kanto Megas
Mega Alakazam might have always been an extremely underused pick while Gen 6 was the current generation at the time, but after a lot of time people realised just how strong it can be, having high amounts of usage in both Gen 6 and Gen 7 before it got dexited in Gen 8 and banned in Natdex. It also the one Mega whose stats don't have a +100 stat addition which is kind of bullshit on Gamefreak's part. Mega Gengar probably holds the infamy of being the most broken non-legendary Mega of all time, with not only an extremely busted ability in Shadow Tag but also some pretty ridiculous stats that make it even a staple in tiers like Ubers and even Balanced Hackmons. In comparison, Pinsir just exists, but has had a very solid performance as an OU mega throughtout the years so I wouldn't be surprised if original wins.
Refer to the rules located on the OP for how you should sub:
Alakazam, Gengar, Pinsir
For this next slate, we will be looking at the mega evolutions of another 3 Kanto Megas
Mega Alakazam might have always been an extremely underused pick while Gen 6 was the current generation at the time, but after a lot of time people realised just how strong it can be, having high amounts of usage in both Gen 6 and Gen 7 before it got dexited in Gen 8 and banned in Natdex. It also the one Mega whose stats don't have a +100 stat addition which is kind of bullshit on Gamefreak's part. Mega Gengar probably holds the infamy of being the most broken non-legendary Mega of all time, with not only an extremely busted ability in Shadow Tag but also some pretty ridiculous stats that make it even a staple in tiers like Ubers and even Balanced Hackmons. In comparison, Pinsir just exists, but has had a very solid performance as an OU mega throughtout the years so I wouldn't be surprised if original wins.
Refer to the rules located on the OP for how you should sub:
Basic Template:
Megas For All Template (Created by Hematite):
For types, you can insert type images like this
with this link (replace Type with the type you want)
Example Submission
Name: Mega Charizard X (Get fucked lol)
Type:
Ability: Tough Claws
Stats: 78 / 130 (+46) / 111 (+33) / 130 (+21) / 85 / 100 [634 BST]
New Moves: N/A
Description: Mega Charizard X can act as a dangerous Dragon Dance sweeper with strong Tough Claws-boosted moves in Flare Blitz, Outrage, Dragon Claw, and Thunder Punch. A unique defensive typing and decent bulk makes setting up much easier, made even easier with Roost. Walled by very bulky Water-types, Heatran (if you don't run EQ), and checked by Landorus-T.
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[b]New Moves[/b]:
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Special Attack:
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[b]Description[/b]:https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/sprites/types/Type.pngExample Submission
Name: Mega Charizard X (Get fucked lol)
Type:
Ability: Tough Claws
Stats: 78 / 130 (+46) / 111 (+33) / 130 (+21) / 85 / 100 [634 BST]
New Moves: N/A
Description: Mega Charizard X can act as a dangerous Dragon Dance sweeper with strong Tough Claws-boosted moves in Flare Blitz, Outrage, Dragon Claw, and Thunder Punch. A unique defensive typing and decent bulk makes setting up much easier, made even easier with Roost. Walled by very bulky Water-types, Heatran (if you don't run EQ), and checked by Landorus-T.
Submissions will end in 7 Days. Due to being banned to Ubers, Original Mega Gengar will not be eligible for voting, also extremely careful with stats move additions on Zam and Gengar (although if someone submits Regular zam but with +100 bst instead of 90 that will instantly get my vote). That should be it, happy posting!
Mega Alakazam
Typing:
Ability: Trace
HP: 55
Atk: 50 --> 60 (+10)
Def: 45 --> 65 (+20)
SpA: 135 --> 175 (+40)
SpD: 95
Spe: 120 --> 150 (+30)
New Moves: None
Description: Jk, get double posted and sniped idiots.
Mega Pinsir
Typing:
Ability: Tinted Lens
HP: 65
Atk: 125 --> 155 (+30)
Def: 100
SpA: 55
SpD: 70 --> 120 (+50)
Spe: 85 --> 105 (+20)
New Moves: Assurance, Crunch, Pursuit, U-turn
Description: Fun fact: Jolly Pinsir max attack U-turn deals the same amount of damage as life jolly Lokix! Anyways Lokix at home is a pretty strong tinted lens mon which is able to use the really cool bug dark typing to its absolute potential, allowing it to wall break harder than normal Pinsir with the big limitation of losing Pinsir's signature priority attacks. Besides having a standard stat addition this mon gets some new cool darks attacks with the biggest new addition being pursuit to trap stuff, as well as a hefty special defense increase to give it a better time switching to psychics (notably not being able to be ohko'd by any of regular mega zam's attacks unless it forgoes fblast for dazzling gleam.
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Name: Mega Alakazam
Type: Psychic
Ability: Magic Bounce
Stats: 55 / 50 / 95 (+50) / 145 (+10) / 105 (+10) / 150 (+30) | 600
New Moves: Reflect Type
Description: its bulkier megazam. retains the very high speed but trades copying stuff like regen and sand rush for bouncing twave and rocks and stuff. reflect type is a meme pick to evade sucker punch/pursuit and aura sphere was unrecommended by geko (1984)
Name: Mega Gengar
Type: Ghost / Poison
Ability: Neutralizing Gas (While this Pokemon is active, opposing Pokemon's moves and their effects ignore its own Ability.)
Stats: 60 / 65 / 105 (+45) / 155 (+25) / 105 (+30) / 110 | 600
New Moves: Reflect Type, Calm Mind
Description: taking a page from mbh for this, ggarm has the interesting ability to defensively ignore abilities, meaning azumarill/lopunny/future -ate megas do 0 damage to you. increased bulk so you dont die to tech mons even without tech
Name: Mega Pinsir
Type: Bug / Ground
Ability: Decelerate (On switchin, this Pokemon lowers the Speed of adjacent opponents by 1.)
Stats: 65 / 155 (+30) / 140 (+40) / 55 / 100 (+30) / 85 | 600
New Moves: U-Turn
Description: i hate gen 6 mega speed mechanic. i like landmaldo. lets put these two together
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Name: Mega Pinsir
Type: Bug/Dark
Ability: Sharpness (This Pokemon's cutting/slash moves always land a critical hit) [Gen 9 list is referenced]
Stats: 65 HP / 155 Atk / 105 Def / 55 SpA / 110 SpD / 105 Spe [600 BST]
New Moves: U-Turn, Night Slash, Sacred Sword, Razor Shell, Cross Poison
Description: funny gen 1 references. dual stab is walled by clef unless you run cross poison
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Name: Mega Alakazam
Type: Psychic
Ability: Neuroforce
Stats: 55 HP / 50 Atk / 75 Def / 165 SpA / 115 SpD / 140 Spe [600 BST] (+30 Def, +30 SpA, +20 SpD, +20 Spe)
New Moves: None
Description: Neuroforce is an ability that makes a lot of sense for Mega Alakazam since its flavor is how smart it is and Neuro = brain. Neuroforce allows Mega Alakazam to hit much harder when doing damage super-effectively, which can frequently thanks to its wide coverage. I wouldn't say Neuroforce is too powerful on Mega Alakazam since Psychic STAB is far from the best offensive typing while its coverage moves are either just 80 BP or very innacurate.
Name: Mega Gengar
Type: Ghost/Poison
Ability: Merciless
Stats: 60 HP / 85 Atk / 90 Def / 150 SpA / 95 SpD / 120 Spe [600 BST] (+20 Atk, +30 Def, +20 SpA, +20 SpD, +10 Spe)
New Moves: None
Description: Sludge Bomb's nasty 30% chance to poison the opponent makes it easy for Mega Gengar to activate Merciless. Special Attack and Speed are lowered to make it less overpowering in the metagame.
Name: Mega Pinsir
Type: Bug/Normal
Ability: Scrappy
Stats: 65 HP / 155 Atk / 120 Def / 65 SpA / 90 SpD / 105 Spe [600 BST] Same stats as OG Mega Pinsir
New Moves: Pin Missile, Megahorn
Description: Looking at Pinsir's movepool, it's definitely full of Normal- and Fighting-type moves for Scrappy to use. Bug/Normal is a unique STAB typing that complements very well with an unblockable Fighting coverage. Pin Missile gives Mega Pinsir an alternative STAB move that has a chance to be more powerful than X-Scissor while also breaking Substitute.
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Type: Psychic / Steel
Ability: Sand Force
Stats: 55 / 80 (+30) / 65 (+20) / 155 (+20) / 125 (+30) / 120
New Moves: Flash Cannon, Reflect Type
Description: Being a Psychic-type that can 2HKO Tyranitar without relying on Focus Miss is nice.
Alakazam @ Alakazite
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psyshock / Psychic
- Flash Cannon
- Shadow Ball / Energy Ball
- Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Ground / Focus Blast / Calm Mind
Alakazam @ Alakazite
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic / Flash Cannon
- Reflect Type / Flash Cannon
- Thunder Wave
- Recover
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psyshock / Psychic
- Flash Cannon
- Shadow Ball / Energy Ball
- Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Ground / Focus Blast / Calm Mind
Alakazam @ Alakazite
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic / Flash Cannon
- Reflect Type / Flash Cannon
- Thunder Wave
- Recover
Type: Ghost / Poison
Ability: Counter-Clockwise Spiral (Effects of Trick Room are active while this Pokemon is on the field) Originally designed by Hematite for Megas for All V7
Stats: 60 / 80 (+15) / 60 / 150 (+20) / 95 (+20) / 155 (+45)
New Moves: N/A
Description: Largely based on Hematite's Mega Slowking from Megas for All V7. By running minimum Speed, Mega Gengar moves before anything with more than 283 Speed, though this also leaves it vulnerable to getting undersped by slow attackers like Tyranitar, Breloom, and bulky Excadrill.
Gengar @ Gengarite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Shadow Ball
- Sludge Wave
- Focus Blast
- Will-O-Wisp / Nasty Plot / Psychic
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Shadow Ball
- Sludge Wave
- Focus Blast
- Will-O-Wisp / Nasty Plot / Psychic
Type: Bug / Fighting
Ability: Intimidate
Stats: 65 / 159 (+34) / 120 (+20) / 55 / 90 (+20) / 111 (+26)
New Moves: Healing Wish, Megahorn, U-turn
Description: Wallbreaker and offensive pivot with Intimidate. Healing Wish is neat.
Pinsir @ Pinsirite
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Megahorn / Healing Wish
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Swords Dance / U-turn
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Megahorn / Healing Wish
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Swords Dance / U-turn
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Pinsir
Bug/Fighting
Moxie
65 / 159 / 118 / 65 / 90 / 103| 600
New moves: Flame Charge
A late game sweeper, p bad stab coverage so gonna have a hard time against Zapdos/Clefable/Landorus as it can only slot 1 coverage or Swords Dance. Funny how everyone want to be original and doesn’t make a Fightibg Pinsir.
Type: Psychic / Steel
Ability: Neuroforce
Stats: 55 / 138 / 95 / 91 / 100 / 121
New Moves: Flash Cannon, Iron Head
Description: So it now fights with Spoons. May be underpowered but has a wide coverage.
Name: Mega Gengar
Type:
Ability: Merciless (houndoom’s)
Stats: 60 / 101 / 95 / 146 / 95 / 103 [600 BST]
New Moves: Flatter, Shadow Sneak, Toxic Spikes
Description: A late game sweeper, might be a good pick for more defensive archetypes as a cleaner.
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Name: Mega Alakazam
Type:
Ability: Levitate
Stats: 55 / 50 / 80 (+35) / 170 (+35) / 105 (+10) / 140 (+20) [600 BST]
New Moves: Magnet Rise
Description: An extra immunity, avoids damage from spikes and gains some extra bulk to extend survivability.
Name: Mega Gengar
Type:
Ability: Opportunist
Stats: 60 / 115 (+50) / 70 (+10) / 145 (+15) / 75 / 135 (+25) [600 BST]
New Moves: Flatter, Shadow Sneak
Description: Thank god Swagger is banned. This Gengar can catch opposing mons setting up to boost itself, or most likely just use Flatter to achieve that. It also gets a big buff to its physical attack, mainly to nerf its special a bit, but it also provides some decent priority with Shadow Sneak or Sucker Punch, which could have gotten some boosts along the way too.
Name: Mega Pinsir
Type:
Ability: Technician
Stats: 65 / 145 (+20) / 115 (+15) / 55 / 95 (+25) / 125 (+40)
New Moves: Aerial Ace, Needle Arm, U-turn
Description: Scizor at home. Technician offers some decent coverage, for example 90BP Bulldoze, Storm Throw (90BP fighting that always crits) or Aerial Ace as its new flying Stab move.
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Name: Mega Alakazam
Type: Psychic / Fighting
Ability: Magic Bounce
Stats: HP-55 Atk-90 Def-105 SpA-140 SpD-125 Spe-85 BST: 600
New Moves: None
Description: Mega Alakazam doesn’t really have the look of a sweeper so much as it looks like a bulky boy (he meditates, so maybe slow paced playstle?), so I altered its stats as such. High defenses make up for 55 HP by allowing Megazam to tank any kind of attack it likes, physical or special, and heal off with recover to survive longer battles. It still has incredible offensive presence with 140 spattack, Calm Mind, and all of its coverage, but is more slow-paced with its 85 speed, putting it below Excadrill and base-form Lucario. Teleport and Knock Off also allow him to perform utility roles, and Magic Bounce let’s him act as a counter to prominent hazard setters and Mega Banette. Balanced by a Knock Off weakness. Also Fighting-type to help with Knock Off and Stealth Rock.
Name: Mega Pinsir
Type: Bug/Flying
Ability: Intimidate
Stats: HP-65 Atk-135 Def-120 SpA-60 SpD-120 Spe-100 BST-600
New Moves: Roost, Taunt, Drain Punch, Defog, U-turn, Spikes, Mach Punch.
Description: A more balanced take on a Mega, with high defense + Intimidate and Roost to keep it in battle for longer periods of time.
Defensive Defog
Pinsir @ Pinsirite
Ability: Hyper Cutter -> Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Atk
Impish Nature
- Defog
- Drain Punch
- Taunt / Earthquake
- U-turn
Swords Dance
Pinsir @ Pinsirite
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Mach Punch
- Earthquake / X-Scissor
Pinsir @ Pinsirite
Ability: Hyper Cutter -> Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Atk
Impish Nature
- Defog
- Drain Punch
- Taunt / Earthquake
- U-turn
Swords Dance
Pinsir @ Pinsirite
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Mach Punch
- Earthquake / X-Scissor
Name: Mega Gengar
Type: Ghost / Dark
Ability: Twilight Gaze (Lower’s opposing Pokémon’s SpA upon switch in by 1 stage, Intimidate Clone).
Stats: HP-60 Atk-80 Def-70 SpA-140 SpD-140 Spe-110 BST-600
New Moves:
Description: Kind of more balanced yet more powerful Gengar. 140 SpD and Twilight Gaze lets him stop any special attacker in its tracks and force a switch. No pivoting moves leaves you to guess what your opponent will switch to, however. Nasty Plot + 140 SpA could also do some interesting sweeping stuff.
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Name: Mega Gengar
Type: Ghost / Ground
Ability: Sinking Feeling (Ghost-type moves ground the target. Persists until either mon switches out)
Stats: 60 / 95 (+30) / 80 (+20) / 145 (+15) / 100 (+25) / 120 (+10)
New Moves: Earth Power
Description: TBD
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Mega Gengar
Type: Ghost / Normal
Ability: Mimicry
Stats: 60 / 90 (+25) / 75 (+15) / 110 (-20) / 115 (+40) / 150 (+40)
New Moves: Nature Power (also notably gains STAB Explosion)
Description: This form of Gengar aims to do a few things. The first is give it a ludicrous speed tier that lets it get the jump on many things that Gengar is normally just outsped by (or faces nasty ties with), such as Torn-T, Serperior, Mega Lopunny, Lati@s, and slower scarfers. This allows it to invest flexibly into it's higher bulk and use Sub-Split, Taunt, Wisp, and Disable. Yes, it does have a lower SpAtk than regular Gengar, which it does genuinely need; having such a high speed tier removes most of the ways to out-offense Gengar outside of Birdspam, so there needs to be more ways of defending against its attacks. It's easy to forget that how good an attacking type Ghost is in Gen 6, and considering Gengar can remain out of Mega to take advantage of the higher damage, or even not run Mega at all, the lower SpAtk stat is not to steep a price to pay for the other benefits. This mon's bag of tricks is very deep, and I wouldn't underestimate the sheer fear factor Gengar has just potentially being able to Mega. Also, it's new Attack stat allows it to tap into some of it's Physical movepool, utilizing long unseen moves like Sucker Punch, Knock Off, Focus Punch, and of course a STAB Explosion with power which goes toe-to-toe with that of Lando-T.
And that's all I think it needs to be both interesting and impactful on this meta! It could realistically have no ability; Mimicry is mostly just cute, mainly my first thought for an ability was one that has an interesting relationship with Levitate. It coincides with the two new Terrain setters the tier just saw added, and combines with Nature Power to potentially both a general STAB option and a powered up coverage move in one slot. It doesn't appreciate losing Ghost STAB when facing off against either terrain setter, but it can appreciate suddenly resisting Pursuit, or becoming a Knock-Off switch, so I think it evens out.
(ty to G-Luke for pointing out Nature Power)
Mega Pinsir
Type: Bug / Ground
Ability: Sap Sipper
Stats: 65 / 170 (+45) / 190 (+90) / 40 (-15) / 80 (+10) / 55 (-30)
New Moves: Circle Throw, Taunt
Description: The direction I always wished they took Pinsir in. Here, Pinsir is a tank with a notably strong matchup 1v1 against many of the best Steels in the tier. It gains very free entry into Ferrothorn in particular; Sap Sipper allows it to take advantage of Leech Seed and Power Whip, it's massive defense means it doesn't mind Knock Off, it's Ground typing combined with Earthquake means it hits it for solid neutral damage without proccing Barbs or Helmet, and it being a Ground type makes it immune to Thunder Wave. It similarly stuffs Excadrill's unboosted neutral hits and resisted Earthquake, Bisharp's boosted STABs, and utility Jirachi's standard attacks while threatening to KO all of them with a minimally invested Earthquake. Mega Pinsir's low speed means Steels like Magnezone and Heatran will be able to outspeed and hit its weaker special side, but notably regular Pinsir can still outspeed and threaten a KO on both of them. Skarmory is the biggest exception, but Pinsir can still potentially play into it with Smack Down. Outside of Steels, it's ability and typing give it entry points into Serperior, Amoonguss, Breloom, new!Mega Venusaur, and Tangrowth, and it's massive defense can let it check big physical attackers like Terrakion, Garchomp, Conk, Scizor, and Mega Lop. It's biggest flaws are twofold; The first is that it's low Special Defense can be readily exploited by many faster offensive threats, as even weaker, neutral special attack can scare it out. The second is that offensive Flying types and Rotom-Wash can give it a lot of trouble without even hitting the field with their Ground immunity. It can play around these threats with good prediction, using Stealth Rock, Knock Off, Toxic, or Rock coverage.
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Terrain Pulse doesn’t exist in Xy iirc?
Mega Gengar
Type: Ghost/Normal
Ability: Mimicry
Stats: 60 / 90 (+25) / 75 (+15) / 110 (-20) / 115 (+40) / 150 (+40)
New Moves: Terrain Pulse (also notably gains STAB Explosion)
Description: This form of Gengar aims to do a few things. The first is give it a ludicrous speed tier that lets it get the jump on many things that Gengar is normally just outsped by (or faces nasty ties with), such as Torn-T, Serperior, Mega Lopunny, Lati@s, and slower scarfers. This allows it to invest flexibly into it's higher bulk and use Sub-Split, Taunt, Wisp, and Disable. Yes, it does have a lower SpAtk than regular Gengar, which it does genuinely need; having such a high speed tier removes most of the ways to out-offense Gengar outside of Birdspam, so there needs to be more ways of defending against its attacks. It's easy to forget that how good an attacking type Ghost is in Gen 6, and considering Gengar can remain out of Mega to take advantage of the higher damage, or even not run Mega at all, the lower SpAtk stat is not to steep a price to pay for the other benefits. This mon's bag of tricks is very deep, and I wouldn't underestimate the sheer fear factor Gengar has just potentially being able to Mega. Also, it's new Attack stat allows it to tap into some of it's Physical movepool, utilizing long unseen moves like Sucker Punch, Knock Off, Focus Punch, and of course a STAB Explosion with power which goes toe-to-toe with that of Lando-T.
And that's all I think it needs to be both interesting and impactful on this meta! It could realistically have no ability; Mimicry is mostly just cute, mainly my first thought for an ability was one that has an interesting relationship with Levitate. It coincides with the two new Terrain setters the tier just saw added, and combines with Terrain Pulse to potentially both a general STAB option and a powered up coverage move in one slot. It doesn't appreciate losing Ghost STAB when facing off against either terrain setter, but it can appreciate suddenly resisting Pursuit, or becoming a Knock-Off switch, so I think it evens out.
I didn't think that mattered? We're already adding new Gen abilities, and even completely new ones.
If it does, it's not too important a part of this design. Woe is me, let Uproar Mega Gengar reign.
Edit: Definitely worth clarifying that rule in the OP!
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