I will say it one final time. There is a huge difference between taking every match seriously (and even if I did, who really gives a shit?), and not accepting a matter which has no clear ruling. So, I naturally wanted to get multiple opinions on this matter, and after days of trying and dead air, I got an answer from irc.
So, as I can admit that I was wrong, it is now time that I begrudgingly accept this ruling and stop holding up the match. But, I will say, for someone who's looking down on me for "taking tower matches seriously", Gale, you're sure trying your damnedest not to lose a single mon here. That doesn't sound like behavior indicative of a friendly to me. And yes, if I sound pissed here, it's because I am. I just spent a week trying to prove my point on the seemingly one thing the bastardization of substitutions doesn't cover. But this is no longer worth it to me to continue this pointless debate any longer.
Sludge Bomb - Flamethrower - Sludge Bomb
If you have less than 6 en when you would act a3, use Poison Sting (Contact) that action.
19:23GoIdAlright. I'm asking again. If you order an action while asleep or frozen, does it trigger a sub for that attack? I ask this because the discussion recently held was focused towards and thus only handled Cooldown.
19:23Gerardyes, it does
19:23Gerardit's extremely stupid
19:23Gerardbut it does
19:23CowboyJake!asbmove flame charge
19:24Rainman_LegendsBe very specific with your subs
19:24CowboyJake!asbmove heat wave
19:24GoIdDo you have a link I could read that explains that?
19:25Gerardwhen you have to add ...and is not asleep, and doesn't hit itself in confusion, and is not fully paralyzed, and... to very sub it becomes ridiculous
19:25GoIdI agree. This is the kind of thing that I would bring to policy center, but I'm not exactly well received there iirc
19:25GerardI only have anecdotic evidence cause it happens to me and Frosty was the ref
19:26Gerardit's probably in the handbook somewhere
19:26GoIdAnd plus, there was that whole recent "now things that aren't written are implied and thus happen (ie sub for protect is ignored if you are taunted)" fiasco
19:26Gerard*happened
19:26Its_A_Randomfrosty is whose behalf I am asking the question
19:26GoIdThat should've fixed it
19:26GoIdAnd I read the handbook. It is not there
19:28CowboyJake!asbmove fire spin
19:28Gerardwell, we still have the "succesful doesn't mean a thing" part
19:28Rainman_LegendsNot anymore
19:28Rainman_LegendsIt's legal now
19:28Rainman_LegendsUnder chance clause iirc
19:28Gerardohh
19:28Gerard needs to check sub rules all over again
19:29GerardIn that case i'd apply cooldown rule to unexpected non-moves as well
19:29CowboyJake!asbmove counter
19:29Gerardflinch, asleep, frozen, confusion, paralysis, infatuation, etc...
19:23Gerardyes, it does
19:23Gerardit's extremely stupid
19:23Gerardbut it does
19:23CowboyJake!asbmove flame charge
19:24Rainman_LegendsBe very specific with your subs
19:24CowboyJake!asbmove heat wave
19:24GoIdDo you have a link I could read that explains that?
19:25Gerardwhen you have to add ...and is not asleep, and doesn't hit itself in confusion, and is not fully paralyzed, and... to very sub it becomes ridiculous
19:25GoIdI agree. This is the kind of thing that I would bring to policy center, but I'm not exactly well received there iirc
19:25GerardI only have anecdotic evidence cause it happens to me and Frosty was the ref
19:26Gerardit's probably in the handbook somewhere
19:26GoIdAnd plus, there was that whole recent "now things that aren't written are implied and thus happen (ie sub for protect is ignored if you are taunted)" fiasco
19:26Gerard*happened
19:26Its_A_Randomfrosty is whose behalf I am asking the question
19:26GoIdThat should've fixed it
19:26GoIdAnd I read the handbook. It is not there
19:28CowboyJake!asbmove fire spin
19:28Gerardwell, we still have the "succesful doesn't mean a thing" part
19:28Rainman_LegendsNot anymore
19:28Rainman_LegendsIt's legal now
19:28Rainman_LegendsUnder chance clause iirc
19:28Gerardohh
19:28Gerard needs to check sub rules all over again
19:29GerardIn that case i'd apply cooldown rule to unexpected non-moves as well
19:29CowboyJake!asbmove counter
19:29Gerardflinch, asleep, frozen, confusion, paralysis, infatuation, etc...
So, as I can admit that I was wrong, it is now time that I begrudgingly accept this ruling and stop holding up the match. But, I will say, for someone who's looking down on me for "taking tower matches seriously", Gale, you're sure trying your damnedest not to lose a single mon here. That doesn't sound like behavior indicative of a friendly to me. And yes, if I sound pissed here, it's because I am. I just spent a week trying to prove my point on the seemingly one thing the bastardization of substitutions doesn't cover. But this is no longer worth it to me to continue this pointless debate any longer.
Sludge Bomb - Flamethrower - Sludge Bomb
If you have less than 6 en when you would act a3, use Poison Sting (Contact) that action.
