Flygon..

VKM

Well, I recently bred a Trapinch because I wanted a Sandstorm Team, and it turned out to be great. (Nature, Timid) The problem is, I checked the analyses and there was no Special Flygon moveset so I tried some of my own. Which one would work better?

Flygon@Choice Specs
Trait: Levitate
EV Spread: 252 Sp. Atk/252 Speed/6 HP
Nature: Timid
-Earth Power
-Dragon Pulse
-Flamethrower
-Draco Meteor

I don't like Draco Meteor there, mainly because the Sp. Atk would be lowered even thought that's not a problem since she has Choice Specs....Choice Specs mainly for SpA boost, while Dragon Pulse, Draco Meteor and Earth Power get the boost from STAB. Anyways, here's the other Flygon set.


Flygon@Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EV Spread: 252 Sp. Atk/252 Speed/6 HP
Nature: Timid
-Substitute
-Earth Power
-Dragon Pulse
-Roost

Sub when I know what's comming, Roost for Life Orb and Sub damage. Another good thing, both her attacks get the boost from STAB and the Life Orb boost.


So...which would be better?
 
Hmm...the first set seems like something a Specsmence with HP Ground could do better. The second one could use flamethrower over substitute probably, otherwise something like Bronzong completely walls you. Still, this looks like something Salamence could do better (with a mixed set to avoid Blissey wallage).

Just my thoughts on those sets.
 
Earth Power is better then HP Ground. Both Sp. Atk moves, but EP has a higher base. I guess i'll teach it Flamethrower again.
 
The second with Flamethrower, as DEL337ED said, is good. Fire/Ground/Dragon is resisted by absolutely nothing, and Roost can be good to help ease Life Orb recoil.
 
I would choose the first set mostly because you might be able to get in a KO before ruining the surprise. Most people usually send in Hippo, Pert, ect on Flygon and a Specs Draco Meteor would hurt them alot. Spikes would guarrentee a OHKO. Then once they're out of the way, you can sweep with TTar.

The second set doesn't seem all that useful. Once you use any of the attacks, the surprise is out and they'll just send in Blissey to wall you. Neither of your attacks will send any of Flygon's counters into critical range so you won't do much before ruining the surprise.

That's just my opinion. If you're using it for a sandstorm team, you may want to try a Screech Flygon to cause switches.
 
Screech...I don't need it. It's a Special Flygon so it would be pointless. Now i'm still pending on which set to use...You all had good reasons.
 
Consider Giga Drain for Swampert. It's a meh move, but it wipes out Pert, dents bulky physical walls like Donphan and Hippodown, restores your health, and allows him to do something that Salamence cannot. Silver Wind is another option that Sala doesn't possess, but unless Celebi/Eggy has a sudden boom in popularity, it's a waste of time as Dragon Pulse will do more to every other Psychic/Dark.

HP Electric could be good to stop Gyarados thinking they can come in on your EQ/EP.
 
I <3 Flygon, and attempt to use him in my team. Therefore, I shall aid you with other stuff.

Flygon @ Choice Specs / Life Orb
Levitate
Timid Nature
252 Sp Attack, 252 Speed, 6 HP

Giga Drain
Earth Power
Flamethrower / Fire Blast
Draco Meteor

Give Stealth Rock / Spikes support or Special Attack boosts, and you have something to sweep with.
 
I wanted HP Electric or Ice....but I got Steel. :(

Giga Drain..I was thinking about that one once, but I hate the Power. I guess it would be okay if I used PP Ups.
 
VKM said:
Screech...I don't need it. It's a Special Flygon so it would be pointless. Now i'm still pending on which set to use...You all had good reasons.
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I didn't mean use Screech on a special set. Like something along the lines of Screech/EQ/DClaw/Fire Blast. Screech Flygon worked well in advance on sandstorm teams by forcing them to switch with a -2 def drop racking up spikes damage. It was just a suggestion.
 
Actually, I am in need of a Timid Trapinch, so if you're willing to trade it, I'd be more than happy to take it.

Anyways, a good Physical one is a Scarf variant. Otherwise...
 
Needs more..

Flygon @Choice Scarf
Nature: Naive
EVs:252 Atk/ 136 SpAtt /60def / 60spd
~U-Turn
~Earthquake
~Draco Meteor
~Crunch/Fire Blast/Stone Edge

This is what I run in-game, and I've just started using it on Shoddy for decent success. Smogon Analysis has a very similar one. I use Crunch to take care of Gengars, and Psychics that otherwise cause my team a bit of trouble. But to each their own. I almost find U-Turn to be under used for scouting, but it's nice to see what's coming in if they try to switch. Very handy.
 
I'd say go for something totally random. You could try mixing shit around such as like......

U-Turn
Toxic
Draco Meteor
Roost

Clearly if you're staying in, it's only to keep Roosting, but it's more of an annoying hit and run Poke and what not. Totally walled by steels but just U-Turn yourself out to a Heatran or Magnezone or whatever it is you plan on having on the team. Most steels will stay away from Flygon at first too, as it won't know what set you have and normally fear ground and fire moves.
 
I almost thought of a Mixed set with Draco Meteor / EQ / Stone Edge / Fire Blast, but I don't know if it could work TBH.
 
The one Aeroblacktyl just posted seems like the best option, toxic keeps up the switching just like screech would. You might substitute in giga drain for u-turn if you need another way to beat swampert, as long as you watch out for the ice attacks. Leave the sweeping to the slightly superior dragons and use flygon as a team player.
 
Seems a bit too random, as in wasting what Flygon has, I could think of many faster things that can pull of the same set better.

As for using Flygon in OU, its pretty hard not to fall into the outclassed basket, it have very little going for it over the bigger dragons. That said I like Flygon, but I usually stick to UU with him.
 
TSPhoenix, there's a few problems.

First of all, Flygon is like the 3rd fastest Poke in a sandstorm team iirc, should he go all out sandstorm. The other two are Garchomp and Aerodactyl who would probably definitely won't go that route.

Flygon is not allowed in UU second of all.

Third of all, by being Timid, Flygon has effectively already 'wasted' what it has.

Fourth of all, the real thing Flygon has over other Dragons, for example Garchomp, is Levitate. Over Salamence, is that it resists rock.

Colonel_M, that could probably work, but this Flygon was unfortunate to get a -atk rather than a -def or -spdef.
 
True, true. I meant if he ran Rash or Naughty however.

Flygon gets: U-Turn, Giga Drain, Roost (without drawbacks), Silver Wind (???), Screech (viable I guess), Earth Power, and a couple other things. Ground/Dragon makes him only weak to Ice (x4) and Dragon (x2). He gets decent resist against Rock attacks, gets full immunity from Earthquake AND Electric Attacks.

So would Modest or Timid work best on a Life Orb Flygon with Draco / Giga Drain / Earth Power / Flamethrower, Fire Blast?
 
Well that sounds like a lot of disadvantages and very few advantages to me.

Its Draco Meteor is just as strong as Garchomp's is, but its physical side is far weaker, its also slower and is all that really worth a Ground immunity, probably not. Throw in the fact Garchomp's Sand Veil gives it the edge over Flygon in a sandstorm and you end wonder why you are using Flygon at all.

As much as I'd like to recommend a set Giga Drain is the only notable advantage I can think of and the way I see it Flygon is just entirely outclassed. Feel free to use him well and prove me wrong, but looking at the papers I'm pretty sure *I* couldn't.

As for actual UU, I couldn't care less about tiers, amongst those I play with we use what we want and if something is dominating then we decide to 'ban' it. I just play for fun, don't pay much attention to details like this unless I have to (IE: when Competitor comes out).
 
I actually dislike Fireblast/Flamethrower on Flygon. U-turn and Roost is one of Flygon's most important moves, even on a timid Flygon. These two moves is the only thing that differentiates it from its cousin Garchomp.

With U-turn, it can swtich to any counters of the current Pokemon. I believe the most common switchins to Flygon are levitating steels like Brozong and Skarmory, of which Magnezone counters really well.

So it boils down to using U-turn if you have Magnezone while Fire Blast if you don't

BTW, Fire Blast > Flamethrower as it will OHKO Skamory.
 
Special Specs Flygon generally is overshadowed by SpecsMence, unfortunately. what you've got over it in general is U-Turn and Giga Drain.
 
If you're using Flygon use U-Turn. That EQ immunity is nice, but there aren't many things using EQ on Chomp that won't get badly hurt/KOd by it. The only thing it has over cousin Chompy is U-Turn. Abuse it.
 
Currently, I am using this

Flygon @ Life Orb
Naive
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Roost

Too bad yours is timid though :(.
 
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