electric type moves vs steel type

this has puzzled me. because steel type is always ranked as such a poor offensive type that no one even uses it (bar meteormash). it really isnt that bad, gets neutral/SE to all but 3 types and has high power overall. my scizor pwns with iron head.

so why is electric considered good? it's hampered by the same poor SE coverage (only flying and water) and same resistances (other electrics and grassers) and on immunity.

so why are electric moves prefered so much over steel type ones?
 
I'm no expert, but I think it's probably because Flying and Water are pretty good types to hit, not to mention the whole BoltBeam thing. Steel attacks only hit Rock and Ice supereffective, if I recall. Ice is usually going to die to the Fire, Rock, or Fighting attack that everyone has on their team, and Rock is usually going to be the target of an Earthquake or Fighting attack, which are also on nearly every team, anyway. Also, there's Gyarados. Isn't Iron Head fairly standard on Scizor, anyway?

Oh, and Steel is NVE against four types. Fire, Water, Electric, and itself.
 
good question...one that i might bot be able to answer alone. i guess its the reason of the bolt-beam combo where ice beam and t-bolt hit almost every poke for neutral damage..
 
Electric Pokemon are bad many off them can bad moves almost Electric no ice beam Like Amphardos decent movepool sam with Raikou and them.

More Electrics need Volt Tackle!
 
Steel is resisted by four types, not three. Water, fire, electric, and steel resist steel. Ice and rock are the only two types weak to steel. Electric is immune'd by ground, resisted by electric, dragon, and grass, and super effective against water and flying. Let's consider value here:

The four types that resist steel are very, very common. At least half of the bulky physical Pokemon are either water or steel which is very bad for a primarily physical offensive type. Fire is nasty since fire types also have STAB super-effectiveness against the STAB steel users which means that as long as the steel guys use said STAB, they're giving free switch ins to their natural counters. The electric one isn't so bad, but it's not great. Actual ice types are pretty rare; this is only giving you SE against Weavile (who was going to die to anything physical he didn't resist anyway) and Abomasnow (who isn't all that common). The rock SE is nice, but it's all you really have to work with.

Now let's consider electric. Ground immune is saddening, but at least most ground types are physical defense based while electric is primarily about special attacking (which means that any other special moves you have will likely help out greatly against grounds). Lati@s is the only dragon that actually resists electric. Grass types are really pretty rare. Being resisted by electric is, like with steel, not all too big of a deal. Water and flying are all over the place. Those are awesome SE.

The consider pairing with other types. What type does well against water, fire, electric, and steel? Ground is the only remotely passable type for this, and it leaves you with gaping weaknesses to a lot of specific dangerous Pokemon (Skarmory, Gyarados, and Bronzong say hi - also Moltres for epic win, etc.). Steel + psychic kinda works for getting neutral hits on a lot of things (watch out for Starmie), but that really only applies for Bronzong, Metagross, and Jirachi who have the right moves to use both types effectively and also just happen to have double STAB to play with to make up for the super effective hits that type combo isn't going to be getting. In general, steel doesn't work for a two type combo. Effective use of steel type attacks requires three offensive moves which isn't worth it when you could use other types and get your coverage with only two moves. However, consider electric. What helps against ground, grass, electric, and dragon? Ice! Ice + Electric IS a workable two type combo. Even with the more limited electric + grass or electric + water, you are beating out any of steel's two type combinations.

I hope this added some clarity to the issue.
 
Simple answer really . . . Fighting > Steel

also Electric > Grass usually. We all carry grass knot around for certain enemies, but fact is that there's no 2nd type that comboes really well with grass (fire comes close, but both are walled by the oh-so-common dragons). Since water is such a nice (and powerful) element that has only those 2 weaknesses, electric is going to be great (especially because of gyara's increased use).

Yes, a lot of electric users have terrible movepools but guess what? Slap on HP ice and almost all of them are ready to go. xD
 
There's a reason you hardly ever see Iron Head, Iron Tail or Steel Wing on Normals, Grounds, Rocks or other pure physicals: between Ground, Fighting and especially Rock, it hits everything that Steel would hit.

For Steel types, just look at Metagross compared to Salamence and Tyranitar's STAB offense here. Both of the STABs of the latter two have no trouble beating down Waters (except Tyranitar against Swampert) while Metagross has to resort to Earthquake.
 
To me, it's a matter of what your up against.

In today's "OU" metagame, there are many common foes you will encounter - Gyarados, Togekiss, Miltic, etc. The majority of OU Pokemon are hit harder by Electric attacks than that of Steel.
 
Because fighting hits everything steel hits SE SE as well, plus some more. Only difference is Steel hits ghosts. Steel is not a bad offensive type for how much coverage it gets, but instead for how much it lacks in comparison to a better type.

I mean, as far as I know the only thing steel SEs on that Fighting doesn't is... Froslass.
 
Thunderbolt (even without Boltbeam) is resisted by... hmm.. Dragon, Electric, Grass, and Ground. Fairly common stuff. Ice Beam hits all of that SE. Now BoltBeam isn't an endall, but with STAB on either you'd be foolish not to run it.

Fighting hits waay more than Steel SE. A lot more. Plus Fighting/Dark is as good as BoltBeam (only Hera resists), and Fighting/Ghost (BallBlast) hits the entire game neutral. Steel doesn't look awful on paper, but considering that Rock is hit hard by lots of things and Ice pokémon aren't all that common and are hit hard by other stuff, Steel's kind of outclassed. Feel free to run it on Metagross and SD Skarm, they're handy there.
 
Also because Tbolt is amazingly powerful and a lot of things learn it.


What does Steel have for attacks?
Iron Tail, 100 damage with 75% accuracy? Not 95BP, 100%.
Steel Wing, 70BP and 90% accuracy? Not 95BP, 100%.
Iron Head, 80BP and accuracy and flinch? Getting better. ~9 pokemon learn it.
Gyro Ball, only good on ~4 pokemon.
Seven pokemon get Bullet Punch. 40BP of fury.
Two pokemon get Meteor Mash. One can use it well.
Two pokemon get Magnet Bomb. It sucks.
One gets Doom Desire (type-less).
A few get Metal Burst (type-less).

If we're talking about special steel, we have Mirror Shot and Flash Cannon. The former has bad BP and worse accuracy. Flash Cannon would be 10x more useful if it lowered Sp.Def instead and had 95BP.

Pretty much every attack is outclassed by Tbolt alone, to say nothing of Thunder, Discharge for paralysis, or Charge Beam for boosts.


It's not just the type, it's also the attack BP and acc and added effects itself.
 
The problem with steel is that so many ice types are part water. This makes it only effective against 1 type most of the time. Really the only thing worse than steel is poison.
 
Because fighting hits everything steel hits SE SE as well, plus some more. Only difference is Steel hits ghosts. Steel is not a bad offensive type for how much coverage it gets, but instead for how much it lacks in comparison to a better type.

I mean, as far as I know the only thing steel SEs on that Fighting doesn't is... Froslass.

And Shuckle/Armaldo. :D
 
steel is outclassed by fighting

steel just hits neutral against bug, psychic and flying types (but most flying types are neutral to fighting anyways)

electric, pretty much for the sole thing of gyarados, and boltbeam, other than that...it sucks
 
steel is outclassed by fighting

steel just hits neutral against bug, psychic and flying types (but most flying types are neutral to fighting anyways)

electric, pretty much for the sole thing of gyarados, and boltbeam, other than that...it sucks

:/ Gyara, Salamence, Gliscor, Yanmega, Dragonite . . .
 
There's a reason you hardly ever see Iron Head, Iron Tail or Steel Wing on Normals, Grounds, Rocks or other pure physicals: between Ground, Fighting and especially Rock, it hits everything that Steel would hit.

For Steel types, just look at Metagross compared to Salamence and Tyranitar's STAB offense here. Both of the STABs of the latter two have no trouble beating down Waters (except Tyranitar against Swampert) while Metagross has to resort to Earthquake.

Metagross can Thunderpunch...I use one in the Tower, though I'm thinking that I should fall back, re-migrate the one with Explosion, and let Latios hanlde the Electric end. TP may be more useful against, say, Milotic, but Skarmory, Cloyster, Relicanth, etc. are more common.
 
Just my $0.02.

MMMfffGMMPGHHHH STOP IT THATS MINE.

Anyways, I've found a few things can use Steel moves effectively, like Magnezone. I ran Flash Cannon on it to see what kinda stuff it'd hit. I was surprised when it came in pretty handy. It hit lots of Tyranitar switch-ins, and Rhyperior as well.
 
my scizor pwns with iron head.

Hehehe. Anyway, the reason why Electric moves are used more than Steel type moves is because Steel type moves hit only Rock and Ice super effectively, whereas Electric hits Flying and Water super effectively. Flying and Water types are a lot more common than Rock and Ice types. Plus, not much good Pokemon get STAB on Steel type moves anyway.
 
Hehehe. Anyway, the reason why Electric moves are used more than Steel type moves is because Steel type moves hit only Rock and Ice super effectively, whereas Electric hits Flying and Water super effectively. Flying and Water types are a lot more common than Rock and Ice types. Plus, not much good Pokemon get STAB on Steel type moves anyway.

Odd that during a period when Sandstorm and Hail teams are running all over the place that we say that ice and rock are not common types. :P

Actually, I haven't seen as great a diversity in water pokemon as in past gens. Gyara, starmie, swampert, and maybe Slowbro/suicune/milotic. Then some BLs that pop up here are there. Granted the few I listed are all over the place. xD
 
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