do pokemon have tendencies toward certain natures?

finallegacy

Every time I breed for natures, I always get a couple of other natures 4 or 5 times before I finally get the nature I want. Do certain pokemon have tendencies toward certain natures? This is most likely all coincidence but it couldn't hurt to ask right?
 
Actually it can hurt to ask, since your violating a forum rule.

Natures are randomly assigned unless the female is holding an everstone while breeding, or you have a pokemon with the sync ability while capturing.
 
TVboyCanti said:
Actually it can hurt to ask, since your violating a forum rule.

Natures are randomly assigned unless the female is holding an everstone while breeding, or you have a pokemon with the sync ability while capturing.
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The question isn't that simple, because he probably knows all of this, and is asking if there is some sort of affinity between certain species and certain natures.

IIRC Natures are generated based on PIDs, and I'm not sure how PIDs are generated, so maybe if you look into that...
 
I don't know, I had the same experience while breeding Elekids. The mother was Mild with an Everstone, but I got tons of Bold and Lonely babies. I even got paranoid after a while and double-checked to see if I was using the wrong mother. I know the nature is supposed to be random, but I seemed to be getting a large number of certain ones, maybe three or four (besides Mild) that showed up way more than others. Maybe it was just coincidence, but it really did appear to me to favor some natures much more than others.
 
yeah, i had this happen to me while breeding growlithes. the mother had everstone and was naive, but i managed to get six quirky ones in a row. i even checked to make sure that the mother wasnt quirky and that she did have everstone. i didnt understand it at all.
 
I have also noticed the above trend. It seems to me that you get "runs" of natures. For example, I often get a couple of Adamants, followed by 3 or 4 Jollys and then perhaps a couple of Dociles. This could just all be luck though, as there is no proof for it.
 
this hasn't really happened to me (probably because i didn't use everstone). though i did hear that if you have ditto with the right nature holding everstone 50% of your pokemon that you breed will be the same nature as the ditto.
 
Well, pokemon's RNG isn't perfect. There are tales of getting two identical shiny pokemon within minutes of each other, etcetera... so it's entirely likely that the RNG is being lazy and you're getting the same natures an exceptional number of times in a row.
 
omnitarian said:
Well, pokemon's RNG isn't perfect. There are tales of getting two identical shiny pokemon within minutes of each other, etcetera... so it's entirely likely that the RNG is being lazy and you're getting the same natures an exceptional number of times in a row.
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That isn't possible, it's however is possible to get identical shinies in Emerald after the same amount after booting up the game.
 
I have noticed this too. My latest Phanpy's have a tendency to turn up Modest or Quiet, and I'm using an Impish mother with an Everstone. I'm going to even say I get an even 33% of each most oft he time.
 
If it is happening to most people, then it will most likely NOT be a coincedence. Idk if anyone here cracked the Hidden Power codeing, but there has to be a certain number sequence, Levels, IVs, EVs, Stats, that effect the Nature. Now this may seem strange, but it works. Example, All stats having 3 IVs, has a Power 70 HP [Dark] IIRC. So maybe, Lv 50, 3 IVs in every stat, no EVs could generate a Quirky. That was just an example.
 
Hm, interesting, especially since it's the Pokemon's personality value (randomly generated--or so they say) that's supposed to determine the nature. I wonder if any one nature is more likely over the others. I know that the personality value is used in a similar manner to determine which way Wurmple will evolve, and the odds of that, from what I read on a Marriland forum post, are nudged SLIGHTLY towards Silcoon. (It's still pretty much 50/50, though.)
 
I think neutral natures are more common. Whenever I breed, i always get like 12+ neutrals and the rest are other. There has to be some underlying coding that supports natures. I think stats/IVs. If anyone comes across a batch of 12+ of the same nature [or a lot of them] see if there is anything that is the same, other than the obvious type, species and NAture. Maybe it also varies as to where you hatch it. I'm fairly certain those who don't use the hatching codes use the routes that go through Solacon to hatch?
 
Hehe, my Garchomps always turned out Jolly, which was great for me :) Perhaps there is something in this after all?
 
The surefire way to determine this is to take all possibilities of the lower two bytes of the personality value (65,536 of them, I believe), divide them by 25, and examine the remainders resulting from them. That remainder determines the nature.

...and I've lost most of you. Yeah, I looked some of this up answering a Wurmple evolution question. Wait a minute...

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Aha! I found my answer to that Wurmple question:
CardsOfTheHeart said:
I was reading about it in Bulbapedia and it didn't make sense for a while, but now I get it thanks to some other reading. *coughMarrilandcough*

A Pokemon's personality value determines many of its characteristics. There are 2^32--or 4,294,967,296--of them, and it's pretty much randomly generated in hexadecimal digits. If the last 4 digits of Wurmple's personality value is divided by 10 and the REMAINDER resulting from that is less than 5, then Wurmple will evolve into Silcoon--otherwise it'll become Cascoon. The actual odds of one over the other, from what I've been able to find, are 6554:6553 in favor of Silcoon.
(EDIT: The odds are that way because the last 4 digits will have a hexadecimal value from 0-65,535 and dividing it by 10 will result in 32,770 of them with remainders less than 5 & 32,765 will have a remainder 5 or more.)

In lamen terms, Wurmple's evolution is randomly determined when acquired and uncontrollable.


EDIT: And here I was originally thinking that the location of where the Wurmple was caught determined that. Add that to the growing list of things Serebii is wrong on. (It's not dependent on the time of day!)
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That's how Wurmple's evolution is determined. Do something similar to determine the Pokemon's nature except divide by 25 instead of 10. The remainder resulting from that determines the nature according to a table found on this entry in Bulbapedia. (Those who know the verbage will know what needs to be done.)

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I did it again. If anyone that knows anything about this would be willing to take the time to make such an analysis, I think several people around here would appreciate it. If I really knew anything about it, I'd do it myself.
 
If it really is random, then sassy,careful, and quirky have a slightly (and by slightly I mean unnoticeable) lower chance of being chosen.


I noticed this same tendency toward natures though so I don't believe that it's truly random.
 
Blue Harvest said:
I thought Max would close this in an instant but I guess not...


We do need someone to test this. Since Smogon is the breeding capital of all of pokemon i'm sure someone can spare a paper and pencil while they breed their 31 IVed poke.
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Well, at first it may seem like a SQSA question, but the truth is nobody here really knows the answer to this, so this should probably stay open at least until we find out.
 
Anecdotal reports are meaningless. There are people who swear that X happens on Shoddy Y% of the time instead of Z%, and get into huge arguments that the RNG on Shoddy is messed up. Of course you're going to remember those times where you get a certain nature several times in a row and forget when it "looks random". In a large enough sample, it's more likely than not to get the same nature several times in a row. The longer runs tend to be more memorable, and those are the ones in which you are more likely to at some point get a lot of one nature in a row.
 
I'd certainly think some do have tendencies towards certain natures. I bred Dratinis (with a jolly ditto holding an everstone), and out of the 29 eggs I got about 4 or 5 were Adamant.
 
Tangerine said:
The question isn't that simple, because he probably knows all of this, and is asking if there is some sort of affinity between certain species and certain natures.

IIRC Natures are generated based on PIDs, and I'm not sure how PIDs are generated, so maybe if you look into that...
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A pokemon's nature is entirely dependent on its PID, and each individual PID is only possibly capable of producing one nature (unless you use Pokesav or the like, but that's just "brute-force" overwriting something that would be otherwise calculated normally). When an egg is created, the game chooses a PID for that egg to have "randomly," or in other words calculated somehow or another based on your DS's internal clock (The PID it will choose changes every 1/100th of a second or so, so sadly there's no manipulating this).

From that PID, a pokemon's nature, ability (if multiple exist for that species), gender (if multiple exist for that species), and IV's (more complicated if the pokemon is bred, but that's irrelevant to this discussion) are calculated. The game doesn't care what kind of pokemon is in the egg, it's still going to choose a PID all the same.

Since the supposed "randomness" of this process is actually based on an external event, statistics does not really apply to this case, but if we were to assume true randomness, then the chance of getting two natures in a row the same is not all that unlikely at 1 in 25 (the first nature is irrelevant, and there is a 1 in 25 chance that the second will be the same). With all the things you breed, 1 in 25 is not all that unlikely.
 
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