Discussion: Electivire

Even things that it hits super effective aren't that frightened by 'vire. I typically switch in donphan on a predicted thunderpunch/bolt, and even if its carrying ice punch, its usually at least a 3hko.
 
I can't understand "Electivire sucks" comments. We're looking at an exceptional Pokemon here, and people just bitch on him because he can't match up to beasts like Garchomp. Well guess what?

Nobody said he could.

I've been messing about with a Meditate/Thunderpunch/IcePunch/Earthquake version and it's been fun - Cresselia usually loses one-on-one as she fails to scratch 'Vire's respectable SpD. Bulky Grounds still utterly wall him though (although if they fall below 50% things get interesting) and losing the Fighting move causes some annoyance but he's still a great Pokemon with serious sweeping potential.

If anybody wants to overlook him, then the jokes on them because he is a serious OU threat.
 
My main problem with Electivire is that even if he hits something SE he'll often lack the power to 1HKO and then he'll die when the opponent survives and attacks thanks to electivire's low defences. He's even walled by stuff that get hit SE like Hippowdon (unless you're using HP ice)
 
I disagree that he is a serious OU threat. Nearly every pokemon on my team can defeat him 1 on 1 even after he gets a speed boost. I dont believe that he sucks, I just dont think he is one of the top notch OU sweepers.
 
Hmmmm, some very valid points have been brought up, and I'll concede I might have been a bit hasty just saying "he's useless." Perhaps I have just been put-off by him recently. Nevertheless, a choice set is not the way to go with him and the analysis's comment that "he needs his freedom" will never become "outdated." In addition, I wouldn't even consider his base 85 spdef to be of note--not with it most likely turning into a 206 SpDef that and a base 75 HP that will most likely turn into a 292 stat from 4 HP EVs allocated to it :p

I apologize for the blunt statements--but I needed to attract some dissenters to make this discussion worthwhile :toast:
 
It's not like it's impossible to sweep with Electivire after a speed boost. I have done it once recently--as in the past month or so. However, switching him in does become an issue once the surprise is revealed.

If Electivire gets a boost, it can sweep--sometimes. Without one... well, at least it's the only "good" physically-oriented Electric Pokemon around.
 
I find Electivire to be quite overrated. Even if it gets it's boost, which is unlikely because I am careful with my Thunderbolts, it's never swept me. One time, a guy passed a swords dance and +6 speed to it, and I still beat it with some careful prediction.

I used Tentacruel to ensure I had no spikes on my side, and set up a quick layer of Toxic Spikes.

I waited for his baton pass recipient (electivire) to come in as I leech seeded Ninjask with Celebi.

Electivire shows up. Celebi takes an ice punch and psychics it.

I switch to Tentacruel to take the ice punch.

I switch to Porygon2 who absorbs the Thunderpunch with Motor Drive.

I switched to Celebi to take the cross chop, and it died from all the residual damage.


Electivire lacks the attacking power to get the job done. Even if Ice Punch is super effective, most pokemon barring Dragons can shrug it off. Tangrowth and Celebi are excellent counters.
 
seds said:
I find Electivire to be quite overrated. Even if it gets it's boost, which is unlikely because I am careful with my Thunderbolts, it's never swept me. One time, a guy passed a swords dance and +6 speed to it, and I still beat it with some careful prediction.

I used Tentacruel to ensure I had no spikes on my side, and set up a quick layer of Toxic Spikes.

I waited for his baton pass recipient (electivire) to come in as I leech seeded Ninjask with Celebi.

Electivire shows up. Celebi takes an ice punch and psychics it.

I switch to Tentacruel to take the ice punch. EQs you right there.

I switch to Porygon2 who absorbs the Thunderpunch with Motor Drive. See, I wouldn't use Thunderpunch. I would have used EQ. But w/e.

I switched to Celebi to take the cross chop, and it died from all the residual damage.


Electivire lacks the attacking power to get the job done. Even if Ice Punch is super effective, most pokemon barring Dragons can shrug it off. Tangrowth and Celebi are excellent counters.
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Tangrowth already shurgs off Gyra's Ice Fang, so that isn't much of an awsome thing that it shrugs off Vire's ice punch. See, if anyone was smart enough, they would know that there would be a lot of switching on the opponents side, so they would take the liberty to set up spikes/Toxic Spikes/SR. Now, you'll say "I'll just send in my Tentacruel", well they EQ you or T-Punch you and there you have it. The more you switch, the more HP is taken from you and the easier it is for people to out-predict you.
 
i find that vire pairs really nicely with a krissy floatzel lead (with the electric berry) who then can pass ~2 bulk ups and a vire boost if there dumb enough to keep using electric attacks
 
GengarCrysis92 said:
Tangrowth already shurgs off Gyra's Ice Fang, so that isn't much of an awsome thing that it shrugs off Vire's ice punch. See, if anyone was smart enough, they would know that there would be a lot of switching on the opponents side, so they would take the liberty to set up spikes/Toxic Spikes/SR. Now, you'll say "I'll just send in my Tentacruel", well they EQ you or T-Punch you and there you have it. The more you switch, the more HP is taken from you and the easier it is for people to out-predict you.
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DANG, I posted this under my brother's account (seds). Anywho, if you hadn't noticed, the guy didn't have time to set up new spikes or anything because he was too busy being gay with his Ninjask. While he protected and subbed and stuff, I rapid spinned.

Anyways, my team has changed since then and E-vire is even easier to deal with, but in short, without a Swords Dance, electivire wasn't causing me any problems.
 
I also agree that Electivire is one of those Pokemon that looks better on paper, but in reality suffers. Granted, it is possible to sweep a team if you switch him in and nab Motor Boost, but before that you'd have to take out their main physical walls (or be able to weaken them to the point of KO) as well as other things.
 
Electivire has a number of issues that seperate him from the OU class.

He has a lack of resistances. With mediocre defenses, he can only safetly switch in on Electric attacks and weak Flying or Steel attacks, both of which are fairly uncommon.

He must correctly predict an electric move to get the boost from Motor Drive. If the Electivire player mispredicts, Electivire is likely 1-2HKO'd

Electivire isn't too difficult to wall. Swampert or the other Water/Grounds for any versions not carrying HP Grass, Hippowdon/Donphan can come in on any version not carrying Hp Ice/Grass( it's not going to be a OHKO so you must use HP on the switch.) Cresselia walls non-Meditate varities.

His physical STAB is unimpressive. 75 BP is not so wonderful, and attacking from the special side uses a mediocre SpAtk.

Electivire's useful sometimes I suppose, but just doesn't seem to cut it.
 
i think the SE set, with tbolt over tpunch would be sick if Skarm/Bliss was still the end all be, all wall combo.

but there's so many other good defensive pokes that he can't kill and can EQ him away, that he becomes pretty useless, unless used after the opponents physical wall dies. but even so, there's still scarfchomp..
 
If I ever use the Standard set I use Life Orb, not Expert Belt because I'd rather the extra power, with his awesome speed after a boost it doesnt matter. Still I prefer a set with a focus one Special with Cross Chop like the one mentioned, Flamethrower/TBolt/HP Ice/CC. With Life orb or Specs.
 
Electvire isn't BAD. However, he isn't gonna be sweeping entire teams without some kinda pass. The "It's Super Effective" set never really worked for me and the Mixed Physical set is easily walled. In my opinion, the bread and butter of Electvire is the Mixed Special Set.

It still won't sweep teams, but it's a fairly good...team support, I guess. It can help stop electric attacks with prediction, like all Electvire, but it has a nice, wide range of attacks that, while don't OHKO, can 2/3HKO. But, it also weakens the counters of your OTHER pokemon. So, while they keep switching in different ones and come out with 66~ Damage, all those 2HKOs of your sweepers against them are suddenly wonderful, wonderful OHKO.

The only thing that makes it not really good is the fact it's, somewhst, frail. 75/67/85 are not that good of defences, but switching into T-Waves and T-Bolts can let you get in once or twice and do your job of weakening counters.

At least, that's what I think. I'm probably completely wrong, but hey, I tried.
 
I've had generally good experiences using E-vire. He's best saved for later on in the battle though. E-vire with great prediction is amazing with his type coverage, but so many other Pokemon have the same advantage.
Also, has anybody else tried Low Kick on Vire? It doesn't hit Blissey too hard, but nails other threats just as hard (or harder) and with 100% accuracy (TTar, Rhyperior, Regis, etc). I've tried it a few times, Blissey still doesn't like eating an EB Low Kick from his huge attack, and NOT missing random other things is nice.
 
lol, Electivire would've been great for RSE, but I find D/P to be too offensive and defensive for him.

There's not a whole lot of team slots that I can see Electivire outperforming other pokes. Rofl, even if I needed an electric resist/absorber, I would just use Jolteon instead (who is at least somewhat useful in today's metagame).

Phizzlax said:
Also, has anybody else tried Low Kick on Vire? It doesn't hit Blissey too hard, but nails other threats just as hard (or harder) and with 100% accuracy (TTar, Rhyperior, Regis, etc). I've tried it a few times, Blissey still doesn't like eating an EB Low Kick from his huge attack, and NOT missing random other things is nice.
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Actually, this sounds like a pretty sweet idea. As long as Low Kick 3hko's Blissey, standard Bliss can't do jack shit to E-vire cause he absorbs T-waves and takes pittance from Ice Beams. And I think Low Kick even has more PP than Softboiled, which means Blissey will succumb sooner or later.

Electivire would only have to worry about Toxic and, rofl, Charm I guess.
 
Low kick is only really good for T-tar has Rhyperior takes more from a 4x SE HP thanks to having a lower special defense and the rest of the stuff that it hits for 120 eather takes more from a special attack or is hit harder by another physcial move it can carry

its only 60 BP (120 BP after SE) on blissey she is 3hkoed with modest defensive investments and she takes enough damage that if she running counter you lose your vire and she still has enough HP to carry on sucking up special attacks
 
While Electivire may not be the greatest physical pokémon at OU, it has an often overlooked feature. It makes you think twice before thunderbolting, which in turn makes pokémon like gyarados more of a threat to you, because you are forced to predict.
 
I personally think It sucks, or I just can't use it right.

A guy on shoddy a couple days ago used this on me and did well, or maybe I just am weak to vire.

Electivire- Jolly
252/252 atk/spd 4 hp
don't remember what item- probably expert belt
fire punch
ice punch
thunder punch
Brickbreak

They were also good at prediction. That always helps LOL
 
ELectivire is great, ive had great success with a meditate set can run through a team that doesnt have a scarfer and their phys. wall is weak to one of his attacks.
 
ELectivire is great, ive had great success with a meditate set, can run through a team that doesnt have a scarfer and their phys. wall is weak to one of his attacks.
 
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