Stantler has better stats for that, just slightly tho. also beat up or bite over thief, but yes Maushold can be very destructive, thats why I run rocky helmetWhat if Maushold but Girafarig?
Maushold (Girafarig) @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Tidy Up
- Thief
- Population Bomb
- Psychic Fangs
You end up with a stat spread of 94/105/90/115/95/121. It's Maushold on steroids.
If its bad, why would we ban it? Its a gimmick set that relies on RNG and isn't like kings rock where you can slap it onto anything you want.Alright, I tried the Stench Population bomb thing and fortunately it sort of sucked NGL. This thing has the same Atk as Maushold and no good way to boost it, and with power creep it's only able to 3HKO Pokémon and dies to pretty much anything. It's also unable to run a Focus Sash due to needing Wide Lens. I'd say my team in general wasn't the best, but this set definitely wasn't good either. Regardless, I still feel like it should be banned because even if it's not the best it still doesn't feel very healthy for the meta.
If its bad, why would we ban it? Its a gimmick set that relies on RNG and isn't like kings rock where you can slap it onto anything you want.
Also without Ice Scales do you guys think Stored Power with Quiver Dance would be a problem? It seems like you guys thing banning Ice Scales will fix it, and it could, I just want general thoughts on it. Let me know when you see me on showdown or reply to this, I don't care which.
Houndstone is not broken in the meta(yet) due to normal types being popular and Houndstone has to have a stage one base, and even with the fastest base available its weak to prio. I haven't seen a lot of Houndstone on ladder for good reason, its not that good. But we may ban Last Respects before home drop as Basculin white-striped can get it.People using last respects with mons faster than houndstone
Speaking of Frosmoth, I'm surprised people haven't been talking about this as a potential set:
Frosmoth (Gimmighoul) @ Leftovers
Ability: Ice Scales
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shadow Ball
- Giga Drain
- Quiver Dance
- Ice Beam
It's just a basic Frosmoth set, but Gimmighoul has a good defensive typing and solid base defenses for an unevolved pokemon, so I'm enjoying Gimmimoth quite a bit. It doesn't hurt that it has one of the highest base Sp. Attack stats of any tier 1 evolveable pokemon. Girafimoth is probably the better choice due to having a higher special attack stat and access to Psyshock for the Frosmoth crevo mirror, but sometimes it's fun to run something other than the absolute best option.
Good point, though Gimmimoth does have the advantage of having quite a bit more defense. On the other hand, Misdreavus is fast enough that the higher speed will generally let her attack a threatening opponent first, and the wider move pool is more useful as well.I think the issue with Gimmimoth isn't it living in Girafmoth's shadow, since they at least differ from each other in typing. The bigger problem is its competition from another stage one Ghost in Misdreavus-Frosmoth, which is pretty much "Gimmighoul, but more", both in terms of stats and movepool. But if one is willing to accept the very low speed (which is the main drawback of using Gimmighoul over Misdreavus), that at least opens up the option to use Misdreavus as a base for something else.
Good point, though Gimmimoth does have the advantage of having quite a bit more defense.
While psyshock goes through qd boost it actually doesn’t go through ice scales.access to Psyshock for the Frosmoth crevo mirror
I didn't realize I hold this much power.Also, I've recently noticed more and more Primeape-Corviknight, and there's no way this is a coincidence after Gimlaf suggested it specifically for a Tinksharp counter. That feels just slightly too centralizing to me.
I see your point that Tera can also be used as a defensive measure to this, as well as in general. So, at least in regards to Tinksharp, point taken.I've seen some people suggest banning Terastallization as a solution for this, [...]
Yeah, banning the move seems to be the right way there. After all, Haxsharp didn't seem to take off (though that might've just been because Tinksharp did instead), and that also had Mold Breaker on top of better offensive stats.With all this being said, I still stand by what I said earlier. Bisharp isn't broken, Tinksharp is. Bisharp, despite being an incredibly good base, doesn't have any broken sets outside of Tinksharp, where only Gigaton Hammer is broken. So personally, I'd ban the move.
That is... such a bizarre interaction. The more you know, I guess.While psyshock goes through qd boost it actually doesn’t go through ice scales.
i haven't gotten to try this build out or the mode yet but there is something that came across my mind when looking through who you can evolve with. View attachment 505132xView attachment 505133
since moves are also allow to be cross shared, this gives the mouse the ability to not only have skill link but also shell smash making these pop bombs fucking hurt and will always be a granted 10 hit no matter what. (if you don't miss the 90% at the first bit)
the stats after this evolve goes to
70/80/125/80/65/105
so here's a little build i made for it if anyone is interested in trying it
Cloyster (Tandemaus) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Skill Link
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Shell Smash
- Population Bomb
- Icicle Spear
- Rock Blast
anyway this is my first time doing these post and hoping i did well, have a great day <3
Okay, I just need to gush here after an intense match on the ladder that I somehow pulled back after a spectacularly disastrous misclick.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9crossevolution-1836671060
I mean, they did let me set up with no care in the world, but my interest in Clodzor turned into outright adoration, after the weight it had pulled there. (That feeling when the Unaware wall beats Tera Fairy Tinksharp, lmao)
On a more serious tone, Clodzor actually has its merits beyond just being a stonewall to Stored Power users. It acts in a similar way to Clodsparce, but with the benefit of a Toxic immunity right off the bat, while shoring up its Defense more quickly. The drawback is having to rely on Body Press as the attacking move, but Toxic at least somewhat helps against Ghosts...unless they are immune to Toxic. It's probably not as reliable or splashable as Clodsparce, but this allows a Dunsparce base for something else.
Clodzor
Typing: Steel/Psychic
Stats: 132/54/101/44/161/28
Clodsire (Bronzor) @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Fighting/Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Body Press
- Toxic
- Iron Defense
- Recover
The set, as mentioned, is just standard Clodsparce stuff, but with IronPress instead of Coil and Body Slam/EQ.
I chose Tera Fighting to add more bite to Body Press and resist incoming Dark moves (Hey there, Tinksharp), but Tera Poison works if you want to keep the Toxic immunity.
Alright, I like this set a lot, but I couldn't help but notice they didn't have any Unaware mons and were a bit lacking on special attackers. I'm not too sure how well it would do against those (especially if it's something like a Skeledirge). Still good, don't get me wrong, it's just that I'm curious how well it would do against them.
The problem against Clodsparce happens to be coil, or tera poison, so clod with coil and roost will most likely beat that mon, also you forgot to give the clod leftovers and most people don't run max defense, so here are some other calc'sMy Fellow Cross Evolution Players
I Would Like To Bring To Your Attention This Extremely Funny Crab
82/157/97/52/107/103
Ceruledge (Crabrawler) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Weak Armor/Flash Fire
Tera Type: Water/Dark/Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant/Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Drain Punch
- Shadow Claw
- Crabhammer/Night Slash/Bitter Blade
So In Terms Of Other Cross Evo Pokemon, This Doesn't Seem That Good..... Right?
Now This Is Where The Fun Begins. As Shown With Annihilape And Marshadow, Ghost/Fighting Is A Phenomenal Typing, Hitting Everything For At Least Neutral Damage, And Two Valuable Immunities In Normal And Fighting. Access To Swords Dance On A Pokemon With An Attack Stat Most Pokemon Can Only Wish For, And Some Real Damage Can Be Dished Out. The Crab Has Two Great Abilities, One Giving A Fire Immunity, And The Other A +2 Speed Boost. As An Example, Here's Max HP Max Defense Clodsparce (175 HP 85 Defense) And Mudbray Gyarados (145 HP, 94 Defense) Two Common Pokemon Against The Funny Crab
252+ Atk Crabrawler Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Dunsparce: 270-318 (48.7 - 57.4%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Crabrawler Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mudbray: 406-478 (82.1 - 96.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
If You Would Like To Try A Team With The Funny Crab, Here's One I've Been Piloting On Ladder.
I Do see that, i was just using clod as a base for showing power because clodsparce is a common wallthe problem against Clodsparce happens to be coil, or tera poison, so clod with coil and roost will most likely beat that mon, also you forgot to give the clod leftovers and most people don't run max defense, so here are some other calc's
252 Atk Crabrawler Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Dunsparce: 294-348 (53 - 62.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Crabrawler Drain Punch vs. +1 252 HP / 4+ Def Dunsparce: 198-234 (35.7 - 42.2%) -- 87.8% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Crabrawler Drain Punch vs. +2 252 HP / 4+ Def Dunsparce: 150-176 (27 - 31.7%) -- 33% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Crabrawler Shadow Claw vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Tera Poison Dunsparce: 136-162 (24.5 - 29.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Crabrawler Shadow Claw vs. +1 252 HP / 4+ Def Tera Poison Dunsparce: 93-109 (16.7 - 19.6%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery
these calc's show that, when played right, Clodsparce can beat this crab. I would recommend Tinksharp for wall breaking, this looks like it would be better placed as a sweeper after tanks, like Clodsparce have been removed.
notice how those calc's used 4+ defense instead of max defense, because most people use max SpD
My Fellow Cross Evolution Players
I Would Like To Bring To Your Attention This Extremely Funny Crab
82/157/97/52/107/103
Ceruledge (Crabrawler) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Weak Armor/Flash Fire
Tera Type: Water/Dark/Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant/Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Drain Punch
- Shadow Claw
- Crabhammer/Night Slash/Bitter Blade
So In Terms Of Other Cross Evo Pokemon, This Doesn't Seem That Good..... Right?
Now This Is Where The Fun Begins. As Shown With Annihilape And Marshadow, Ghost/Fighting Is A Phenomenal Typing, Hitting Everything For At Least Neutral Damage, And Two Valuable Immunities In Normal And Fighting. Access To Swords Dance On A Pokemon With An Attack Stat Most Pokemon Can Only Wish For, And Some Real Damage Can Be Dished Out. The Crab Has Two Great Abilities, One Giving A Fire Immunity, And The Other A +2 Speed Boost. As An Example, Here's Max HP Max Defense Clodsparce (175 HP 85 Defense) And Mudbray Gyarados (145 HP, 94 Defense) Two Common Pokemon Against The Funny Crab
252+ Atk Crabrawler Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Dunsparce: 270-318 (48.7 - 57.4%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Crabrawler Crabhammer vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mudbray: 406-478 (82.1 - 96.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
If You Would Like To Try A Team With The Funny Crab, Here's One I've Been Piloting On Ladder.