Best walls?

Crash Hard

There are tons of different sweepers of all kinds, but it seems like there are a select few walls being used (of both persuasion).

What do you think are the best Physical and Special walls right now? Longevity, resistances, recovery, move pools, abilities, etc all taken into account.

Like, I think Hippowdon has tons of potential as a great physical wall...but his ability screws over his team and ends the fun.

*Insert your expertise here*
 
Crash Hard said:
Like, I think Hippowdon has tons of potential as a great physical wall...but his ability screws over his team and ends the fun.
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You mean, when the rest of the team is not rock/ground/steel?

Then kind of.

But that's not where hippowdon is normally used. He's normally seen cruising with pokes who benefit from the sandstorm.


Lickilicky is actually pretty dependable if you build him right, he's got a ton of hitpoints and good potential as a wall, just be careful. He can take a CC usually when you even his defenses and max his hitpoints, then he can blow up to finish them.

And fucking blissey, enough said.
 
Blissey is the most overrated special wall ever. Dies easily to and mixed sweeper who bluffs special.

IMO the best walls are ones like cresselia who can wall phis/special and still take hits from the other without getting pwnd.

Also walls who can actualy kill the pokemon they are walling. Ive pwned too many blisseys who switch in on my azelf/porygonz just to realize they give me a few free turns to set up. Dusknoir walls and pwns with pain split. cressy walls and sets up reflect or uses chargebeam and ice beam.

lol engrish
 
Blissey can technically take special attacks the best out of all Pokemon, and is in most situations the most effective special wall. However, there are some situations where Regice/Snorlax's better attacking capabilities are more favorable, and Cradily works pretty well in Sandstorm conditions, but overall, if I didn't know the situation, I would pick Blissey. There is no physical wall with infinite HP like Blissey, but I'd say Hippowdon, Cresselia, and Skarmory are pretty good. There is no real "best" for physical walling, though.
 
Skarm has awesome typing and fills like 4 roles, Cress can take hits like a beast, Gliscor is pwnage on a TSS team and gets lots of cool support... and there's Blissey...
 
Anyone who thinks blissey is overrated is just pissed off because they probably get walled to death by it. Blissey is fucking awesome, everyone hates her, but you can't say she isn't amazing. My favourite def wall for non theme teams is weezing. Really nice, only weakness is psychic, and less people are prepared for it than skarm. Wisps too.
 
A Blissey - Cresselia - Gliscor/Dusknoir combination walls a ton of stuff, especially if the Blissey is Wish/Protect. Skarm is much more situational now, even with a reliable recovery move, because it takes a lot more damage from stuff like Heracross. Also, Weezing is still really good somehow, though I've recently been running sets without wisp because of all the Guts and Flash Fire pokemon everywhere (which sucks - catching something like ttar on the switch with a burn is oh so sweet).

I generally don't use many walls though. I have had more success using a Wishing pokemon like Vaporeon or Jirachi, with only one pokemon specifically to wall the biggest threats to my current team (Usually Weezing, Gliscor, Dusknoir or Sleeptalking Zapdos).
 
Only problem with Cressy is the fact that Sandstorm really screws with her walling/tanking abilities. Restalking sucks.
 
On my SS team I use Curse Regirock and it works well. The only bad thing is that it doesn't get recovery outside of Rest.

Hippowdon also wall like theres no tomorrow on SS teams. Cradiliy is sort of good in Sand storm but it also makes for Taunt-bait.
 
I like Weezing and Blissey, the only thing that particularily hurts this wall combo but not others is Medicham, Weezing has issues taking physical psychic attacks, that's why I keep a third quasi wall on my best team.
 
AgostonF said:
Anyone who thinks blissey is overrated is just pissed off because they probably get walled to death by it.
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Quoted for truth. Seriously, Blissey is basically everything you could possibly want from a wall. There's no physical wall that can come remotely close to matching her.
 
snorlax is still higher on my special wall list than blissey. 300atk, 500+hp and 350Sdef are more than enough to outclass blissey imo. sure you cant heal the entire team but you can actually do some damage and rest off what you take.
 
Lol, I haven't seen Tangrowth mentioned at all. This thing is beastly! It has base 100 Atk and HP, base 110 SpAtk, and base 125 Def. It isn't even 4HKOd by Gyarados Ice Fang, and it can Sleep, Paralyze, Heal (if you want to), Leech Seed, Sub (if you want to), and gets really nice STABed Power Whip. It's really any excellent Tyranitar (not Boah) counter, Swampert/Gastrodon counter, and can switch in on almost any physical hit (especially with its nice EQ resistance) and status the incoming Poke.
 
I don't see on what planet you don't see a lot of blisseys.

Blissey is obv. best special wall.
But I actually think Skarmory is still the best physical wall.
 
Fishin said:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/announcement.php?f=52&a=41

A bit old, but that topic has a nice list if anyone's looking for options.

Personally...I usually just run Blissey (Cradily if I'm using a SS team), and either Skarmory or Gliscor. I'm probably going to start using Cresselia more and more, though, since having a mixed wall is getting more and more important.
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I found this extremely helpful, thanks. By the way, Jirachi can make a great psudeowall if you will, because he can heal not only himself but his entire team. He can also fare pretty damn good on his own.
 
In terms of pure statistical walling ability...

I designed Defense tiers to answer that question. Spiritomb is perhaps the lowest rated general wall on that scale at 115, and Empoleon is only 117 on the scale. Be sure to keep in mind the weaknesses and movesets of all the pokemon when you read the list. The tiers only rate the pokemon in statistical ability. There is a way to compare pokemon with different resistances and weaknesses... but read the topic for more of that information.

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EDIT: I need my obligatory mention of Walrein in this thread, specifically the stalling set in a hailstorm.
 
Blissey is the most effective special wall. The only reason not to use it is that you don't need a Cleric and are sick of Blissey.

When it comes to physical walls, the best IMO are Cresselia, Dusknoir and Skarm.

For mixed walls, you could go with Cress or Umbreon, though Umbreon may fall into the category of set up bait.

Shuckle can adopt any of the three roles, its just that he can't attack back without Power Swap, which sucks as his defenses will be less than half of Blissey's Defence.
 
Fishin said:
Quoted for truth. Seriously, Blissey is basically everything you could possibly want from a wall. There's no physical wall that can come remotely close to matching her.
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I disagree, sure Blissey is hands down the best special wall, but it struggles to keep its HP high and do something else (TWave/AT/IB) at the same time. I don't dislike Blissey, I occasionally use Blissey when I feel like it, but most of the time I find other walls are better because they can do all of their roles well, even if they can't do the walling part as well as Blissey.
 
TSPhoenix said:
I disagree, sure Blissey is hands down the best special wall, but it struggles to keep its HP high and do something else (TWave/AT/IB) at the same time. I don't dislike Blissey, I occasionally use Blissey when I feel like it, but most of the time I find other walls are better because they can do all of their roles well, even if they can't do the walling part as well as Blissey.
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I dunno...I find that Blissey tends to take less than 30% from most special attacks, and with leftovers recovery factored in that gives you plenty of time to both heal and do whatever you want to the enemy. Even physical attacks from special attackers almost always do less than 50% (Excluding Focus Punch and Explosion).
 
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