Among the 4 generation starters, which would be the best for their type? And why?

For versatility battling purposes, which for the Grass type would be the best between Venusaur, Meganium, Sceptile, or Torterra? Why?

For versatility battling purposes, which for the Fire type would be the best between Charizard, Typhlosion, Blaziken, or Infernape? Why?

For versatility battling purposes, which for the Water type would be the best between Blastoise, Feraligatr, Swampert, or Empoleon? Why?
 
tbh I cannot see a lot of good coming out of this thread but perhaps everyone will surprise me. (hint: if you're going to post, elaborate)

Topics about all gens go to the latest gen, so that's Stark, not Mt Silver.

Sceptile, Infernape and Swampert get the most use out of all of them and for good reasons. Venusaur, Blastoise and Meganium suffer from having pretty average stats everywhere, so while they make good tanks in their UU environments, they're not really great at anything, particulary not offense. Torterra has the 4x weakness, which unlike Swampert's, is found anywhere. None of the Fire starters is really bad (they're all consistently BL at the very least), but Infernape is in the top10 and the others don't even come close. Feraligatr is merely an UU monster, but gets shoved out of the way by Gyarados for the most part. Empoleon, while an intriguing BL, is nothing like the nearly guaranteed Roar/Stealth Rock Swampert has. Earthquake weak on a Water is kind of eh.
 
Feraligatr is merely an UU monster, but gets shoved out of the way by Gyarados for the most part. Empoleon, while an intriguing BL, is nothing like the nearly guaranteed Roar/Stealth Rock Swampert has. Earthquake weak on a Water is kind of eh.
Feraligatr is BL actually.


The best of each are:
Grass: Venusaur and Sceptile are close.
Fire: Infernape
Water: Swampert

Others are used,but are generally not as strong or versatile.
 
~ All of the grass starters seem decidedly 'meh' in terms of battling capabilities.

Venusaur is OK I guess; in OU he's got a few viable options, in the form of seeding, Specs, and a decent sleep move. Most importantly, IMO, he can absorb Toxic Spikes on impact. However, he's got issues in that his two STAB's, type wise, are offensively very 'meh', though Leaf Storm goes
some way to make up for that.

Meganium, being top-tier in UU, has quite a lot of decent support options, most notably seeding, the screens and Aromatherapy, but is let down by a very poor offensive movepool that is limited to STAB and Hidden Power. IMO, the worst out of all the grass starters, and certainly one of the least OU-viable starters in the game. He looks so unbelievably bland too >.<

Sceptile, being the fastest Sub-seeder in the game, has some kind of use in OU. Viable Specs (LEAF STORM :) )and Swords Dance sets too add to the threat this thing can pose. However, apart from sub-seeding, it, as do most other Grass types, struggles with movepool issues. Whilst lots of things have helped Sceptile this gen, the addition of Roserade is decidedly reminiscient of what happened to Flygon as a result of the addition of Garchomp.

Torterra's typing and stats leaves it pretty unique, with two decent, high powered STAB moves coming off a decent attack stat. The massive weakness to arguably the most common offensive type in the game is unsettling, as is the lack of a water resist, which we've come to take for granted from most Grass types. Much less limited than the others in terms of movepool, and actually has enough offensive options to fill a decent Choice set, which isn't something any other of the grass starters can claim (Specstile might argue, but it's got to rely on Focus Blast, which doesn't compare to Torterra's offensive movepool)

~ The four Fire starters are all very decent; all are generally, in themselves, OU viable.

Charizard suffers massively from the Stealth Rock weakness, but is still an incredible threat with Belly Drum. Viable Specs sets are a possibility, but due to that horrible SR weakness Charizard isn't really quite as suitable for the hit-and-run play style that Choice items involve when compared with the other various Fire types.

Typhlosion's got a massive boost this gen thanks to Eruption and Choice Scarf; however, he's incredibly predictable, and lacks a decent special movepool besides STAB and Hidden Power (Well, Focus Blast, but w/e.) Stil capable of putting dents in pretty much anything though.

Blaziken: lol Infernape. It's only really got Baton Pass, Reversal and Agility over the monkey; he's decidedly average at BPing, and Reversal won't work without extortionate support due to SS. He's still a very good Pokemon, it's just that Infernape is better than him in almost every way.

Infernape: Fantastic movepool, great stat distribution, lack of an SR weak makes this, without a doubt, the most competitively viable Fire starter. Wildly unpredictable.

~ As for the water starters, their competitive viability seems to be very varying.

Blastoise, a decent bulky water/spinner in UU, struggles to compete in OU due to poor offenses and a lack of a reliable recovery move. Sure, it's got other uses and sets, but they all scream 'GIMMICK' at best, with the possible exception of the ReSTalk set. Probably ties with Meganium as 'worst starter for use in OU play', it's just outclassed.

Feraligatr will always have to live in the shadow of Gyarados, though the lack of an SR/quite so big Electric weak are points in his favour, as are Swords Dance, Focus Punch, Torrent and Crunch. However, he lacks the resists, Taunt, Intimidate, and the raw attack that makes Gyarados so scary. He looks awesome though.

Swampert is undoubtedly the best of the water starters; the ability to take on most Electrics with ease is something other bulky waters would kill for. The Rock resist is invaluable, as is the Sandstorm immunity. No reliable recovery hurts it.

Empoleon has the surprise factor on it's side; being able to tank with it's unique collection of resists and decent defensive stats, or it can sweep with Agility/Petaya/Torrent. Again, would be much better with some form of recovery other than Rest.
 
Grass - Sceptile - fastest subseeder, and the specs set is a monster. Sceptile can be a premier special sweeper, or even physical sweeper this gen.
Runner-up - Venusaur - in battling this thing... its a total bitch to take down. Sleep Powder + Leech Seed and STAB sludge bomb, I never doubted Venasaur

Fire - Infernape - needs no explanation. I actually think he's painfully overrated, but his movepool and blazin' speed make him a potent threat. Many teams have a weakness to this guy.
Runner-up- Charizard / Typhlosion - I actually think these two are the same pokemon in my eyes. Same stats and distribution. Charizard gets Belly Drum, but it is a pain in the ass to pull off and is highly impractical. The scarf sets are nice, but Typhlosion wins at this thanks to Eruption. Otherwise, their movepools are pretty much the same.

Water- Empoleon - Yup, Empoleon is the best IMO simply because the torrent sweeper is the best sweeper out of all of the starters. It is simply gamebreaking.
Runner-up- Swampert - IMO, Swampert has lost its place in the metagame. He is NOT a wall, so people need to stop treating it as such. It has no reliable recovery, so use as a defensive pokemon is meh... He makes a sturdy Choice Bander, an excellent wall-breaking subpuncher, and can run the Crom (Waterfall, Curse, Resttalk) set to great effect. Until people start trying these out, Swampert will continue to be mediocre in my eyes.
 
Grass:Sceptile (i like the substitute variante xD)

---->Venusaur is good,too...but it´s the only Pokemon,that can leech seed and is so fast =D

Fire:Infernape ( it´s definitly the best ôO)

------>Charisard is´n as good as Infernape,Blaziken ,too...
Water:Swampert

---->A great wall =D


This is my opinion
 
Fire - Infernape, he is one of the most feared pokemon in todays OU metagame.

Grass - Sceptile, not as powerful as in his adv glory days, but with choice specs he now be a special sweeper as well.

Swampert - OU in ADV and still OU in D/P. With Grass not being as common this guy can just wall a pokemon to death.
 
Grass: Sceptile
The fastest Sub-Seeder in the game, and it can use Choice Specs quite well.

Fire: Infernape
Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Water: Swampert
Great stats, backed up by an Electric immunity.
 
I just realized that meganium is the only starter that's in UU. The others are all BL at least. Surely it can't be that much worse than the others considering that it's pretty top-tier in UU.
 
Well you can't really say that fire starter x is better than fire starter y, as you wouldn't try to wall something with Feraligatr, and you wouldn't try to sweep with Blastoise. Infernape may beat out Blaziken in the ability to stat up quickly and wreck some common walls, but in terms of Agility-sweeping or EndRevving, it loses.

Charizard and Infernape are the most obvious choices for "best starter" in my opinion. BellyZard is just ridiculous, and once Cressy and Tentacruel are gone, there isn't much that can stop MixApe (that isn't faster than it, of course). Those attack and speed stats, combined with Nasty Plot and Close Combat make it one one heck of a Pokemon to contend with.

Swampert is also an obvious choice for water, and so is Empoleon (though maybe not as much). Swampert is very well rounded, has great typing, and an awesome defensive movepool. It can attack with Choice Band, use a defensive mixed set that can cause problems for any team, Roar the opponent away, or Curse up and pound. Empoleon, on the other hand, is a more immediate threat, especially with that SubPetaya set that everybody's talking about now. The ability to 2HKO Blissey is precious to a special sweeper, even though it's not likely to happen; it's more of a testament to it's attacking prowess than Blissey's defensiveness.

Now some people may disagree with me here, but Venasaur is my standalone choice for the "best grass starter", and possibly my favorite grass type out of all in the game. It has average stats overall, but the best thing about it is Sleep Powder+Leech Seed+good typing. I can't think of anything as annoying as a Venusaur switching in on my Swampert, Forretress, or anything else that can't do jack-squat back, Sleeping my switch-in, and then Leech Seeding the often defensive Pokemon I send out (as no fragile sweeper likes to take a Leaf Storm to the face, even though it's not backed up by super-high SpAtk). An easy win in my book.
 
Well you can't really say that fire starter x is better than fire starter y, as you wouldn't try to wall something with Feraligatr, and you wouldn't try to sweep with Blastoise. Infernape may beat out Blaziken in the ability to stat up quickly and wreck some common walls, but in terms of Agility-sweeping or EndRevving, it loses.

Charizard and Infernape are the most obvious choices for "best starter" in my opinion. BellyZard is just ridiculous, and once Cressy and Tentacruel are gone, there isn't much that can stop MixApe (that isn't faster than it, of course). Those attack and speed stats, combined with Nasty Plot and Close Combat make it one one heck of a Pokemon to contend with.

Swampert is also an obvious choice for water, and so is Empoleon (though maybe not as much). Swampert is very well rounded, has great typing, and an awesome defensive movepool. It can attack with Choice Band, use a defensive mixed set that can cause problems for any team, Roar the opponent away, or Curse up and pound. Empoleon, on the other hand, is a more immediate threat, especially with that SubPetaya set that everybody's talking about now. The ability to 2HKO Blissey is precious to a special sweeper, even though it's not likely to happen; it's more of a testament to it's attacking prowess than Blissey's defensiveness.

Now some people may disagree with me here, but Venasaur is my standalone choice for the "best grass starter", and possibly my favorite grass type out of all in the game. It has average stats overall, but the best thing about it is Sleep Powder+Leech Seed+good typing. I can't think of anything as annoying as a Venusaur switching in on my Swampert, Forretress, or anything else that can't do jack-squat back, Sleeping my switch-in, and then Leech Seeding the often defensive Pokemon I send out (as no fragile sweeper likes to take a Leaf Storm to the face, even though it's not backed up by super-high SpAtk). An easy win in my book.

Vaporeon does a good job of taking on Mixape too.

And I agree with you about Venusaur. Its got decent defenses and decent speed, all its stats are pretty decent. Sleep+SubSeed+Leaf Storm is extremely annoying, and a 100 base SAtk isn't really all that bad. Sceptile is fun to use and all, but at the end of the day you know its going to get walled by something or the other. Meganium's defenses cannot stand up to the poweful attacks thrown around in OU, its not worth the slot it takes. Torterra... is interesting. Its nice and bulky, and can slam stuff hard. That 4x Ice weak is really irritating though, since Ice is such a common attacking type.

So, IMO, Venusaur>Sceptil=Torterra>Meganium

The best Fire starter is Infernape. SR ruins Charizard, and Blaziken, while hitting harder, doesn't really instill the same feeling of "Fuck. Now what do do?". And it lacks Close Combat to boot. Typhlosion is much improved this gen. Specs Typhlosion can HURT stuff, firing off 150 BP Eruptions at 328 speed at full health, and Blazed Fire Blasts at low health. Focus Blast is unreliable, but its the best its got to deal with Heatran and the like.

So, IMO, Infernape>Typhlosion=Charizard>Blaziken

In the waters category, Swampert wins hands down, having that all important Rock resist with good defenses to back it up. SubLiechi+DD is fun to use with Feraligatr, especially with Torrent giving it that extra kick to work with, and Liechi>Salac since you now have a guaranteed speed boost in the form of DD(if you know how to play). Empoleon could have been so much better without those Fight/Ground weaknesses, however its pretty versatile, and is more than capable of leaving an impact before dying. Blastoise is like Meganium, incapable of taking the hard hits of the OU metagame, which is pretty much the job it does best. Its also outclassed as a spinner.

So, IMO, Swampert>Feraligatr=Empoleon>Blastoise
 
I've been messing around with Torterra recently (i mean i've been testing it on shoddy, perverts) and it's not as bad as some make it out to be. It plays a lot like a physical Heatran. It has alot it can switch in on, and hits the incoming counter hard before it has to switch out of ice attack. The fact that many ice users are weak to Grass is a huge plus. I'm not saying it should be OU or anything, just that it isn't all that horrible. Venusaur is still the best grass starter since ice shard destroyed Sceptile. The specs set isn't bad though. I hear great things about Meganium in UU, but it didn't do much besides die during my testing. Maybe I was playing it wrong or something.

Fire is no contest, infernape wins without a doubt. Charizard is owned by the omnipresent stealth rock, and blaziken is one of those 'dies instantly' pokemon. I never see Typhlosion but i'd imagine scarf/eruption would do well as a starter with all the bronzong leads out there.

Water isn't much of a contest, either, with Swampert easily claiming victory. Feraligatr and Blastoise are fanboy pokes, and Empoleon is better than I thought it would be, but still isn't all that great.
 
I've been messing around with Torterra recently (i mean i've been testing it on shoddy, perverts) and it's not as bad as some make it out to be. It plays a lot like a physical Heatran. It has alot it can switch in on, and hits the incoming counter hard before it has to switch out of ice attack. The fact that many ice users are weak to Grass is a huge plus. I'm not saying it should be OU or anything, just that it isn't all that horrible. Venusaur is still the best grass starter since ice shard destroyed Sceptile. The specs set isn't bad though. I hear great things about Meganium in UU, but it didn't do much besides die during my testing. Maybe I was playing it wrong or something.

Fire is no contest, infernape wins without a doubt. Charizard is owned by the omnipresent stealth rock, and blaziken is one of those 'dies instantly' pokemon. I never see Typhlosion but i'd imagine scarf/eruption would do well as a starter with all the bronzong leads out there.

Water isn't much of a contest, either, with Swampert easily claiming victory. Feraligatr and Blastoise are fanboy pokes, and Empoleon is better than I thought it would be, but still isn't all that great.

Meganium it's awsume pokemon Sturdy and can take hits. Its have both screen + Leech Seed. He can be one of the best healerpokemon with Leech Seed, Leftovers, Synthesis, can ingrain to gain even more HP.

Meganium@Leftovers
Bold
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Speed
Leech Seed
Light Screen / Synthesis
Ingrain
Protect

Leech Seed healts 1/8, ingrain 1/8 and Leftovers 1/16 thats much if you combine all they 3.
Protect makes you your fun longer and Light Screen to take Special hits good or Synthesis for even more recovery move.
 
Meganium it's awsume pokemon Sturdy and can take hits. Its have both screen + Leech Seed. He can be one of the best healerpokemon with Leech Seed, Leftovers, Synthesis, can ingrain to gain even more.

You DO know that Ingrain traps Meganium right? Yes Meganium can work as a cleric to some extent in UU (I prefer Vileplume). It really can't keep up with the big guns in OU, where it is outclassed by Celebi.
 
Let's stop hating on poor Blastoise. It does get outclassed by other bulky waters in OU, but in UU it has very solid dfenses on both sides and can Rapid Spin. DD Gatr is very average and Empoleon has those worrysome fighting and ground weaks. Swampert isn't that great either, it's an insufficent wall in OU much like Blastoise.
 
Let's stop hating on poor Blastoise. It does get outclassed by other bulky waters in OU, but in UU it has very solid dfenses on both sides and can Rapid Spin. DD Gatr is very average and Empoleon has those worrysome fighting and ground weaks. Swampert isn't that great either, it's an insufficent wall in OU much like Blastoise.

Blastoise is the best anti-ghost spinner in the game, period. I have had loads of success with Surf/Rapid Spin/Toxic/Mirror Coat. Ghosts can switch in to block the spin, but Gengar gets beaten by Mirror Coat unless it has Sub (or hasn't slept anything) the other Ghosts are susceptible to Toxic.

Surf keeps most SR users out of play, and Blastoise beats Swampert 1vs1 anyway.

Starmie is cool and everything, but loses a lot of power in order to spin effectively, and it gets killed by Spiritomb Pursuit and can't do anything in any degree to Dusknoir.

Once you stop thinking of Blastoise as a "bulky water" meant to take hits and start focusing on it purely as a spinner with enough defenses accross the board to actually pull spin off, you'll have more success. If you want a Bulky Water go with Suicune, Slowbro, or Milotic.
 
Meganium it's awsume pokemon Sturdy and can take hits. Its have both screen + Leech Seed. He can be one of the best healerpokemon with Leech Seed, Leftovers, Synthesis, can ingrain to gain even more HP.

Meganium@Leftovers
Bold
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Speed
Leech Seed
Light Screen / Synthesis
Ingrain
Protect

Leech Seed healts 1/8, ingrain 1/8 and Leftovers 1/16 thats much if you combine all they 3.
Protect makes you your fun longer and Light Screen to take Special hits good or Synthesis for even more recovery move.
What happens if they switch in a grass type or something with liquid ooze?
 
Meganium it's awsume pokemon Sturdy and can take hits. Its have both screen + Leech Seed. He can be one of the best healerpokemon with Leech Seed, Leftovers, Synthesis, can ingrain to gain even more HP.

Meganium@Leftovers
Bold
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Speed
Leech Seed
Light Screen / Synthesis
Ingrain
Protect

Leech Seed healts 1/8, ingrain 1/8 and Leftovers 1/16 thats much if you combine all they 3.
Protect makes you your fun longer and Light Screen to take Special hits good or Synthesis for even more recovery move.

What happens if they bring in a taunter and you're ingrained?
 
Meganium it's awsume pokemon Sturdy and can take hits. Its have both screen + Leech Seed. He can be one of the best healerpokemon with Leech Seed, Leftovers, Synthesis, can ingrain to gain even more HP.

Meganium@Leftovers
Bold
252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Speed
Leech Seed
Light Screen / Synthesis
Ingrain
Protect

Leech Seed healts 1/8, ingrain 1/8 and Leftovers 1/16 thats much if you combine all they 3.
Protect makes you your fun longer and Light Screen to take Special hits good or Synthesis for even more recovery move.

Meganium used Ingrain! Meganium planted its Roots!

Pokemon used Taunt!

Meganium Struggled to death.
 
Water: I'd really say Empoleon. He can support, wall, and sweep plus has good typing. Swampert's about the same in terms of overall usefulness.

Fire: Infernape.

Grass: Sceptile can SubSeed or sweep, so I say he's the best. Venusaur has Sleep Powder and Torterra's awesome though...
 
What happens if they switch in a grass type or something with liquid ooze?
Thats bad. But im like to use Meganium its funny to use like it more then all the other starters it has coolness and the look. Maybe it isn't the best attacker but one of the best support Pokemon but yeah all grass and taunter stops him, but grass aren't so common but Venasaur pwns him to death, but its my favoritepokemon and still it is. Meganium should not sweep, but can do as a suprice with Swords dance but he can't Seed Bomb and all good grassmove (Physical) poor.

To be nice Johto starters has never been best but the most funny to use, but doing smallest inbattle preformance.

All startes are good on different things like Blastoise can use both Counter and Mirror Coat and they can still fear Yamn.

But for OU easy Sceptile or Infernape thats are a pain for all OU Pokemon and they are hard to predict, but they die fast. All pokemon have weakness although even Infernape with insane movepool that makes all fear almost.

The worst startes here must be Blaziken that not know Close Combat and it is to easy to predict. The only good with Blaziken is Reversal and even that works more only bring out a Hippowodon and the fun is over. So yeah Blaziken really lost its potential in this generation,
 
Now that Typholosion got Eruption, he has to be my new favorite fire type starter.

This guy can do everything, from sunnybeaming to abusing blaze. Pretty versatile for a fire type.
 
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