AAA Almost Any Ability Resources

[Isaiah]

The role compendium post is here now (will probably have a real role compendium eventually...): https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/almost-any-ability-dlc-1-info-post-964.3710568/post-9778887

Gonna lock this thread for now bc as cool as theorymonning is, I don't want this thread flooded with random day 0 ideas that can't really be tested.

 

[Isaiah]

Post away!

 

[Isaiah]

AAA Role Compendium
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This is the Role Compendium for the AAA tier. Each Pokemon that is here is viable in the AAA metagame, and as such, it will change as the viability rankings get updated. Feel free to discuss below whether a Pokemon should be added to or removed from a certain role; however, please refrain from discussing the order of a given subsection unless something is completely off.
An asterisk denotes Pokemon that have recently been introduced to the game (or have new moveset additions); their viability is not guaranteed.

Hazard Setters

Hazard Setters

Stealth Rock:

*


Spikes:

*


Toxic Spikes:

*


Sticky Web:

*

Hazard Control

Hazard Control

Defog:

*


Rapid Spin:

*


Other removal:
(Court Change) (Mortal Spin)
*
(Tidy Up)

Spinblockers:

*

Momentum

Momentum

U-turn:

*


Volt Switch:

*


Flip Turn:

*


Other:
(Chilly Reception)
*
(Parting Shot)

Set-up Sweepers

Set-up Sweepers

Swords Dance:

*


Nasty Plot:

*


Bulk Up / Curse:

*


Calm Mind:

*


Other:
(Fiery Dance) (Iron Defense) (Dragon Dance) (Torch Song) (Quiver Dance) (Belly Drum) (Victory Dance) (Shell Smash)
*
(Iron Defense) (Dragon Dance) (Quiver Dance) (Belly Drum) (Shell Smash)

Status Afflictors

Status Affilictors

Burn - Direct (Will-O-Wisp):

*


Burn - Indirect (Lava Plume/Infernal Parade/Steam Eruption/Scald):

*


Paralysis - Direct (Thunder Wave/Stun Spore/Nuzzle/Zap Cannon):

*


Paralysis - Indirect (Discharge/Thunder):


Bad Poison - Direct (Toxic):

*


Bad Poison - Indirect (Poison Fang):

*


Poison - Direct (Mortal Spin):


Poison - Indirect (Sludge Bomb/Poison Jab):


*

Utility

Utility

Knock Off:

*


Wish:

*


Healing Wish:

*


Heal Bell:

*

Wallbreakers

Wallbreakers

Physical Amplification (Sword of Ruin, Adaptability, Guts, etc.):


Special Amplification (Beads of Ruin, Adaptability, Hadron Engine, etc.):


Magic Guard - Physical:


Magic Guard - Special:


Magic Guard - Mixed:


Weather - Desolate Land:


Weather - Primordial Sea:


Regenerator - Offensive:

Dedicated Walls

Dedicated Walls

Physically Defensive Amplification (Intimidate, Fluffy, etc.):


Specially Defensive Amplification (Vessel of Ruin, Sand Stream etc.):


Regenerator - PhysDef:


Regenerator - SpDef:

Speed Control

Speed Control

Naturally Fast:


Choice Scarfers:


Grassy Glide:
*

Triage:

*


First Impression:


Extreme Speed:

*


Sucker Punch:

*


Jet Punch:

This exists now! It's got a bunch of Pokemon (even some that probably won't be good), so expect it to get cut down over time once the VR develops. For now, just use it as a good quick reference point :]

 

[Tranquility]

Quick Tierlist of the NEW Mons Added / Returning in the DLC after about ~50 games or so of playing and watching many more, obviously still very early and subject to change but this was just for fun and is just my opinion.

if you want to create one yourself, you can do so here (fsr candle isn't on this list but would be Mid - Low likely)

 

[Isaiah]

Speed Tiers
(Current as of September 21st, 2023)
(DeepFriedMagikarp is the GOAT for doing this literally by themselves)​

Speed	Sprite	Pokemon	Base	IVs	EVs	Nature
666	(+2)	Garchomp	102	31	252	+
656	(+2) (+2)	Volcarona, Zapdos-Galar	100	31	252	+
612	(+2)	Moltres-Galar	90	31	252	+
598	(+2) (+2)	Volcarona, Zapdos-Galar	100	31	252	=
568	(+2)	Dragonite	80	31	252	+
568		Meowscarada	123	31	252	+
565		Greninja	122	31	252	+
558	(+2)	Moltres-Galar	90	31	252	=
555	(+1)	Roaring Moon	119	31	252	+
548		Regieleki	200	31	252	+
541		Azelf	115	31	252	+
529	(+1)	Maushold	111	31	252	+
522		Walking Wake	109	31	252	+
518	(+2)	Dragonite	80	31	252	=
499		Regieleki	200	31	252	=
499	(+1)	Garchomp	102	31	252	+
496		Sandy Shocks	101	31	252	+
492	(+1)	Chi-Yu, Volcarona	100	31	252	+
478	(+2)	Polteageist	70	31	252	=
464	(+2)	Torterra	56	31	252	+
448	(+1)	Chi-Yu, Volcarona	100	31	252	=
447		Rotom-Wash	86	31	252	+
442	(+1) (+1) (+1)	Kommo-o, Ceruledge, Quaquaval	85	31	252	+
438		Electrode-Hisui	150	31	252	+
430		Slither Wing	81	31	252	+
426	(+1)	Dragonite	80	31	252	+
408		Barraskewda	136	31	252	+
406	(+2)	Vikavolt	43	31	252	+
405		Chien-Pao	135	31	252	+
403	(+1) (+1) (+1)	Kommo-o, Ceruledge, Quaquaval	85	31	252	=
393		Volcanion, Hoopa	70	31	252	+
390		Zamazenta-Crowned	128	31	252	+
388	(+1)	Dragonite	80	31	252	=
386		Talonflame	126	31	252	+
383		Weavile, Kilowattrel	125	31	252	+
381		Ribombee	124	31	252	+
379		Meowscarada	123	31	252	+
377		Greninja	122	31	252	+
375		Tornadus-Therian	121	31	252	+
372		Inteleon	120	31	252	+
370		Roaring Moon, Cinderace	119	31	252	+
369		Chien-Pao	135	31	252	=
361		Azelf	115	31	252	+
353		Thundurus, Maushold	111	31	252	+
350		Iron Moth, Gengar, Ogerpon	110	31	252	+
350		Ogerpon, Ogerpon-Cornerstone, Ogerpon-Hearthflame, Ogerpon-Wellspring	110	31	252	+
348		Walking Wake	109	31	252	+
346		Infernape, Iron Jugulis	108	31	252	+
342		Iron Treads, Munkidori	106	31	252	+
339		Zarude, Mienshao	105	31	252	+
333		Garchomp	102	31	252	+
331		Sandy Shocks, Thundurus-Therian	101	31	252	+
328		Manaphy, Zapdos, Zapdos-Galar, Volcarona, Chi-Yu, Mew, Shaymin	100	31	252	+
324		Hydreigon	98	31	252	+
309		Landorus-Therian	91	31	252	+
306		Arcanine-Hisui, Moltres, Moltres-Galar	90	31	252	+
301		Sandy Shocks	101	31	252	=
300		Great Tusk	87	31	252	+
299		Manaphy, Zapdos, Zapdos-Galar, Volcarona, Chi-yu	100	31	252	=
298		Rotom-Wash	86	31	252	+
295		Kommo-o, Ceruledge, Quaquaval, Samurott-Hisui	85	31	252	+
295		Hydreigon	98	31	252	=
287		Slither Wing	81	31	252	+
284		Dragonite, Okidogi, Mamoswine, Chandelure	80	31	252	+
279		Moltres-Galar	90	31	252	=
279		Florges	75	31	0	=
278		Heatran	77	31	252	+
273			87	31	252	=
269		Kommo-o, Ceruledge, Quaquaval, Samurott-Hisui	85	31	252	=
262		Volcanion, Hoopa	70	31	252	+
261		Slither Wing	81	31	252	=
259		Dragonite, Okidogi, Mamoswine, Chandelure	80	31	252	=
258		Scream Tail	111	31	0	=
256		Iron Moth	110	31	0	=
253		Heatran	77	31	252	=
243		Tyranitar	61	31	252	+
240		Garchomp	102	31	0	=
239		Polteageist, Sinistcha	70	31	252	=
236		Manaphy, Jirachi, Volcarona	100	31	0	=
234		Fezandipiti	99	31	0	=
232		Torterra	56	31	252	+
226		Gliscor	95	31	252	=
224		Tinkaton	94	31	0	=
223		Ursaluna-Blood Moon	52	31	252	+
218		Kingambit, Diancie	50	31	252	+
216		Meloetta, Brambleghast	90	31	0	=
210		Great Tusk	87	31	0	=
210		Enamorus-Therian	46	31	252	+
208		Rotom-Wash	86	31	0	=
207		Conkeldurr	45	31	252	+
206		Cresselia, Kommo-o	85	31	252	=
203		Vikavolt	43	31	252	+
199		Kingambit, Diancie	50	31	252	=
196		Mandibuzz	80	31	252	=
190		Heatran	77	31	0	=
186		Florges	75	31	0	=
184		Manaphy, Jirachi	100	0	0	-
182		Fezandipiti	99	0	0	-
176		Sinistcha	70	31	0	=
171		Chesnaught	64	31	28	=
170		Corviknight	67	31	0	=
168		Skeledirge	66	31	0	=
156		Goodra-Hisui, Clefable, Weezing-Galar, Sylveon	60	31	0	=
150		Milotic	81	0	0	-
146		Blissey	55	31	0	=
140		Ursaluna-Blood Moon	52	31	0	=
136		Kingambit, Diancie, Muk-Alola	50	31	0	=
128		Enamorus-Therian	46	31	0	=
126		Conkeldurr	45	31	0	=
125		Corviknight	67	0	0	-
124		Hippowdon	47	25	0	=
124		Ting-Lu	45	29	0	-
121		Alomomola	65	0	0	-
112		Empoleon	60	0	0	-
106		Garganacl, Toxapex, Spidops, Dondozo	35	31	0	=
94		Hatterene	29	31	0	=
76		Clodsire	20	31	0	=
58		Slowking-Galar, Slowking	30	0	0	-

While a full VR update probably wouldn't happen for a while (likely not for another 1-3 weeks), here are the updated speed tiers, courtesy of DeepFriedMagikarp! In the meantime, feel free to post personal VRs :P

 

[Isaiah]

(sillier than usual posting style incoming, it's the only way I was able to motivate myself to write all of this down)
ISAIAH'S MINIATURE TEAMBUILDING VR (EXTREMELY BIASED INPUT INCOMING, READ AT YOUR OWN PERIL)
​

Hi, I just hit the 100 post-DLC team mark, and after looking at my usage stats and talking about the meta a lot, I have figured out where I think the good mons are ranked. If you don't see something on here, the answer to the inevitable follow-up question is no, I didn't forget about it--I just either think it's mid or wouldn't recommend it as a first choice. I believe very strongly in only ranking Pokemon I would seriously recommend to someone who says they want to win as consistently as possible, so you'll see some extreme high/low rankings here that are different from my trends on council slates. That's just bc what I personally think about teambuilding is different from how I rate Pokemon in the context of the metagame that everyone else is playing too. If you disagree with any of my rankings, feel free to post your perspective on the meta :]]] but I will not be conforming mine to match anyone else's; that's not what the point of this is.

*I decided not to do +/- rankings because I don't think the meta is anywhere near developed enough for such nuanced ranks.
*I didn't do alphabetical order bc this is more of a mind map than anything, so I wrote everything down as the thoughts came out.

S Rank - THE VERY BEST - If you don't at least consider using one of these, you're probably trolling

- Technician, Adaptability - not the easiest to build around or even the most versatile, but Beat Up + Technician just kinda...cooks everything. You don't even really have to work for it either; outside of stall, pretty much everything dies or takes 50%+.
- Psychic Surge - super anti-priority/offense facilitator
- Regenerator, Primordial Sea - if you want to be creative or whatever you can use a bunch of other things too, but I generally wouldn't bother unless you want to try and win with Pressure or Fluffy or something.
- Intimidate, don't use Fluffy it sucks, and don't use WBB unless you are absolutely certain about your gameplan against Weavile and Chien-Pao.

A Rank - THE VERY BEST but not quite as good - Really good Pokemon

- Aerilate - Extreme Speed
- Regenerator, other stuff like Water Absorb, Sword of Ruin, Scrappy, etc. too is cool, but those are based on team need. Regenerator is Regenerator; you don't need your brain to profit from using it.
- Primordial Sea, Adaptability - This mon is really good at tricking you into thinking it's going to get a KO every turn, but sometimes you run into well-played Steel-type + Fairy and have 5 Pokemon.
- Desolate Land - Insane Pokemon now that it has Poltergeist. Basically has the ability to dismantle fat on its own and is surprisingly annoying to position properly against offensively because of its coverage options/priority.
- Primordial Sea - Flip Turn
- Dual Screens/Sticky Web placeholder
- Primordial Sea, Intimidate, Fluffy - Great Tusk farmer
- Sword of Ruin - Weavile but instead of winning right away, you get a little more Speed

B Rank - Decent but isn't going to win games without help from stronger Pokemon

- Any immunity ability that birds like (volt absorb, well-baked body, water absorb, etc.) works, Unaware works, Fluffy works <- team-based mon, use whatever is needed
- Desolate Land - Heatran
- Desolate Land - Iron Moth
- Strong Jaw, Sword of Ruin - Gets Knock Off and can be a scarfer that outspeeds Azelf, pretty cool
- Sword of Ruin - read what I wrote about Roaring moon in the line above
/ Cornerstone / Hearthflame - Rocky Payload and Desolate Land respectively, very strong attackers with really good coverage against common defensive options.
- Unaware - Unaware Scream Tail literally can't be bad when offense is popular, and it's a top 3 Pokemon on fat structures.
- Adaptability, Regenerator - Mixed Garchomp is a threat
- Regenerator - Might actually have a more relevant defensive profile than Great Tusk? Also, rocker that fries spinner Tusk pretty easily with IronPress + Dragon Tail
- Regenerator - Very awesome regen rocker featuring knock + toxic + rocks
- Magic Guard, Well-Baked Body, Bulletproof - Random abilities you can use in your quest to check the nonexistent but somehow still impossible to beat defensively special attackers
- Sheer Force, Hadron Engine, Normalize - Really good when it's allowed to be the fastest mon on the field
- Unaware, Water Absorb, Earth Eater - weird abilities for sure, but they do the job bc Salt Cure is an overtuned move

C Rank - misc. usable mons/troll sets
Everything else goes here

 

[April]

early VR noms, tiers are very loosely ordered but not really. everything was written down roughly in the order i thought about it. no abilities listed, i feel like a lot of them are self explanatory and/or i explain them already.

obviously none of this is set in stone, i have no doubt a lot of these opinions are going to change with aaapl playoffs and usage stats for the month

S Tier
S Tier mons should be used on most teams and considered for almost all teams. The best of the best. A team without at least one S tier mon is either niche or throwing.

this can do basically whatever you want it to. it's a bulky offense mon, it's a regenvest pivot, it's a fluffy wall, it's a fast primsea sweeper. manaphy is the best mon in the tier, most teams can fit one and every team needs to prepare for one.
corviknight does corviknight things, except now it eats up weavile with intim + helmet


S- / A+
I couldn't decide between S and A for these, you could easily convince me either way.
psychic surge is amazing, almost any team can benefit from psychic surge as well as the offensive pressure it puts off, but I also feel like it's just a little too flawed to be S tier. it's strong, but i find it doesnt get the OHKOes it really wants to. the coverage and movepool is amazing, but it's hard to fit everything you want. the speed tier is great, but it's basically forced into a scarf, and even then is still outsped by scarf roaring moon and meowscarada, both of whom also limit the moves you can viably run and force you to click u-turn a lot, meaning you're not getting the chance to fire off your nuclear expanding forces as much as you want to. you could convince me it is S and you could convince me it is A, so it is here.
zapdos is another hugely underrated mon in the tier rn, it's fantastic glue for almost any team, not dissimilar from manaphy. intimidate and fluffy are both amazing defensive abilities, primordial sea is a fantastic offensive pivot, it can slap on any immunity ability you want depending on the team. zapdos holds teams together and disassembles them all the same. hugely underexplored imo, stuff like desoland, unaware, and magic guard are all worth considering. but because it hasnt been fully explored, i can't put in S just yet.. but it also deserves more than A

A Tier
Amazing mons, should be considered on most teams, but require a bit more support or are a bit more niche

great tusk does regen stuff, great tusk does immunity stuff, great tusk does scrappy spin, great tusk does toxic debris, it does a lot of things really well
weavile is a little too hard to build around to be S tier, but it's still pretty broken. if you can fit this, you should
surprisingly versatile, even in a poor matchup it'll almost always get something done.
aerilate extreme speed does a lot. has a lot of flexibility in its last moveslots and EV spreads. can also probably go defensive? needs testing though. click choice banded or dragon dance extreme speed
flip turn
chien-pao
is similar to corv and zapdos, but you're gonna prefer those two a fair bit of the time. toxic is really nice
desolate land is amazing in a tier with so many waters
regieleki is the best screens setter and it can also click extreme speed a bunch
triage is mid, but it's a fantastic regen user with a great defensive profile, deep movepool, and ways to force out common hazard removal

B Tier
Great Pokemon, but require more support and/or are only applicable on niche playstyles

see what i said about heatran, except you can't knock off the things you really wanna knock off. definitely amazing, it dismantles fat like a lot of things wish they could, but that's a very big restriction.
BIG damage but awkward to get onto the field and has pretty bad 4mss
broken in theory, haven't seen the results enough. zap eats its hits and it cant always get progress against a well played azelf or dnite
good regen mon, even better choice banded breaker, even better offensive scarfer
triage is mid, but being a grass type desoland is really good against manaphy. same case of 4mss as her sister, though. fears WBB corv like the plague
see what i said about heatran except manaphy can psychic you. corrosion is really really neat though, most offense teams have absolutely no way to deal with it once you get a few toxics up
scream tail does what its always done. meta is very offensive right now, it's no surprise scream is good right now
it's still zamazenta-crowned, eats weavile, azelf, and dragonite for breakfast all day
regen that's really good at disrupting the foe and keeping hazards up
it's still gengar except it is slower than usual
sticky web is better than its ever been, but it can only do so much when corv is a top 2 mon and great tusk isn't far behind. too fishy to go in A tier, and even this is high.
meowscarada does what its always done
garchomp does what its always done
blissey does what its always done
secondary spdef mon with a more valuable set of resistances and immunities. really wishes it could defog..
slither wing does what its always done
quaquaval does what its always done except now it can knock off
MGLO is still really good, the speed tier is as valuable as ever and outspeeding barra without a scarf or priority is huge
yet another really good desoland mon
its a slower gengar when you really dont wanna be slower, but it compensates for that with u-turn and stab psyshock for blissey

i'm not doing a whole C tier, but there's a lot that could go here. a lot of mons are usable right now

 

[Isaiah]

>> Voting <<​

Viability Rankings + Sample Sets (and Analyses)
(current as of October 5th, 2023)​

S Rank
S
Corviknight	Intimidate, Type Immunity Abilities
A Rank
A+
Azelf	Psychic Surge
Great Tusk	Regenerator, Fluffy, Toxic Debris
Manaphy	Regenerator, Primordial Sea
Zapdos	Primordial Sea, Intimidate, Fluffy
A
Barraskewda	Primordial Sea
Dragonite	Aerilate
Iron Moth	Desolate Land
Kommo-o	Regenerator, Triage, Galvanize
Ogerpon-Cornerstone	Rocky Payload, Sword of Ruin
Roaring Moon	Sword of Ruin, Regenerator
Scream Tail	Unaware, Pixilate
Walking Wake	Primordial Sea, Dragon's Maw, Beads of Ruin
Weavile	Technician, Sword of Ruin
Zamazenta-Crowned	Dauntless Shield
A-
Ceruledge	Desolate Land, Sword of Ruin
Chien-Pao	Sword of Ruin
Garchomp	Regenerator, Toxic Debris
Gengar	Sheer Force, Hadron Engine
Heatran	Desolate Land
Ogerpon-Hearthflame	Desolate Land, Sword of Ruin
B Rank
B+
Electrode-Hisui	Magic Guard
Empoleon	Volt Absorb, Earth Eater
Goodra-Hisui	Regenerator
Mandibuzz	Unaware,
Meowscarada	Sword of Ruin
Ogerpon-Wellspring	Primordial Sea, Sword of Ruin
Sandy Shocks	Hadron Engine
Zapdos-Galar	Magic Guard, Sword of Ruin
B
Blissey	Unaware
Cinderace	Desolate Land, Magic Guard
Enamorus-Therian	Triage
Garganacl	Type Immunity Abilities
Goodra	Regenerator
Kingambit	Type Immunity Abilities
Quaquaval	Intimidate, Magic Guard
Regieleki	Refrigerate
Slither Wing	Tinted Lens, Sword of Ruin
Talonflame	Magic Guard
Thundurus	Sheer Force
B-
Landorus	Sheer Force, Desolate Land
Landorus-Therian	Fluffy, Water Absorb, Aerilate
Mamoswine	Sword of Ruin
Meloetta	Regenerator
Mew	Prankster, Magic Guard
Moltres	Desolate Land
Rotom-Wash	Hadron Engine, Regenerator
Samurott-Hisui	Primordial Sea
Skeledirge	Desolate Land
Thundurus-Therian	Sheer Force
Volcanion	Primordial Sea, Tinted Lens
Volcarona	Queenly Majesty, Sheer Force
C Rank
C
Arcanine-Hisui	Magic Guard
Chandelure	Desolate Land, Sheer Force
Conkeldurr	Triage
Cresselia	Unaware
Diancie	Regenerator
Dondozo	Magic Guard, Regenerator
Fezandipiti	Regenerator, Type Immunity Abilities
Gliscor	Regenerator
Greninja	Primordial Sea
Infernape	Sword of Ruin, Regenerator
Inteleon	Primordial Sea
Iron Treads	Levitate
Okidogi	Triage, Sword of Ruin
Pawmot	Sword of Ruin
Ribombee	Toxic Debris, Prankster
Scizor	Regenerator
Sinistcha	Fluffy, Well-Baked Body, Triage
Tinkaton	Regenerator
Toxapex	Corrosion
Ursaluna-Bloodmoon	Adaptability, Type Immunity Abilities

Here's the first DLC 1 VR! The QC team will add sample sets as time allows, so please be patient; if you have any suggestions, post them in this thread :P just wanted to get the discussion going.

 

[ghostlike]

The meta has changed quite a lot since the DLC first dropped and I want to give my 2 cents about the VR.

-> S

If these two aren’t S rank then I don’t know how to classify S rank because Corv has fallen a bit when compared to pre-DLC. You could make a case for Corv to drop down to A+ and I would agree but for now I think these two deserve to be S rank.

Great Tusk provides utility to a team that no mon can match. It basically monopolized hazard removal as Corv isn’t sufficient enough anymore and Iron Tread is trash now. Toxic Debris is its best set right now and for good reason: it is so hard to play around. Due to the change in the meta mentioned above, Great Tusk is, most of the time, the only option for a team to deal with Tspike which sucks because you don’t want your Tusk to be poisoned. If you try to go Corv to remove the hazard, BU + rapid spin might just run over your team. Other sets worth mentioning are type immunities like Water Absorb, WBB, Sap Sipper, … Basically you can customize your Great Tusk to do almost anything for your team, just overall a great glue mon.

Similar to Great Tusk, Manaphy is also an amazing glue for your team. Although, unlike Great Tusk, it doesn’t have that many viable sets. The only set worth considering, imo, is Regenerator. It can be either physically defensive or specially defensive with AV, both set provides crucial Knock off and slow U turn for teams. The physical defensive set is great for switching into powerful Choiced physical attacker to scout. Not only that, it is also a great wincon with Take Heart (Although no one really loses to it anymore, it is still a good tool to scare off passive mons). The Regenvest set still serve as a good Barra check for a lot of teams while also being able to tank hits from powerful special breakers like Walking Wake or Gengar. It does suffer from not being able to use Take Heart so you will have to be more careful around Toxic spike. Knock off is also everywhere now so keeping your AV is not an easy task.

-> A-

Early on in the meta I thought Zapdos was really good as it checks a lot of things and nothing really switch well into it. Now that I’ve played more, I think that Zapdos is pretty overrated. Its role pre-DLC was to check Fire and, to a certain degree, Fighting type. However, rn, fire type is as common as it used to be (Iron moth is popular but it runs either toxic or toxic spike now so Zapdos isn’t really a good check). Fighters are also no where to be found as the new meta is too hostile for them to thrive. On the offensive side, Zapdos isn’t doing much either. A lot of people probably think that the lack of regenvest is the perfect opportunity for Zapdos like I used to but in reality, it really doesn’t. Moth is still common and is still a good check for it, Hoodra and Regenvest Moon are also pretty common right now and Zapdos can’t do anything to them. With all that said, it is still pretty good, just isn’t A or A+ good.

Welp, that was longer than I expected so I will make it quick from this point on.

-> A- Azelf exists

-> B+ fishy set is bad because of Azelf and defensive regen is bad because of Play Rough on Ogerpon.

-> A- it has been a while since DLC dropped, don’t use Unaware Stail.

-> A Lash out broken

-> A you basically need regenvest moon or to pray for focus misses.

-> A it still does what it does best even with knock being everywhere + good ogerpon check.

-> B maybe I haven’t used or played against stall but on the few instances that I encountered this mon, it just didn’t do anything.

-> A- the only thing holding this back pre-DLC was the fact that EE Iron Tread was everywhere. Nowadays, nothing really walls it.
Edit: After discussing a bit with Atha, I realised that Sandy Shocks is not so easy to use and might need some prediction. Still a solid mon.

-> B checks a suprising amount of thing. It still sucks because Great Tusk is everywhere but it has some niche.

 

[cat]

--> B/B+
sflo corona is a very dumb mon. your defensive check:

• must quad resist / be immune to fire
• not explode to buzz or psychic
• be able to force it out

this basically ends up with wbb bb corv although corv does take a fat chunk from psychic + bb recoil which is very abusable. its offensive checks are dnite and ajet skewda (and technically scarf wake and meow if you can keep it at <=+1). it's even better when paired with screens support like prank corv / mew in which case you need to pray your anything not named dnite can outplay it. its biggest weakness is probably rocks which does annoy it a lot since it can get revenge killed much more easily but it just makes corona a high-risk, high-reward setup sweeper.

--> B- (?)
bee is the webs setter by far. removal of weavile means that it can use debris for however long it remains safely while threatening tusk with moonblast and always getting webs up vs corv through sheer pp. also has stun spore to cripple corv and flyings and w/e and its last move can be annoying: tailwind ensures that whoever comes in next gets an instant speed boost, switcheroo can act as a pseudo knock after popping sash, denying corv of getting back to full vs moonblasts, and qd is probably untouched but can see use by forcing opponents to kill it...?

--> B- (?)
bm is pretty threatening in its own right, and can have an easier time setting up with all sorts of immunities (wabs, levi, sap sipper, wbb) and force uncomfortable decisions with debris: attack it and get a layer of tspikes up, dont attack it and it gets to nuke you with blood moon. offensive stuff is also very funny. cm + tlens is fun to use on webs and explodes everything while specs bor can explode everything but forces you to switch out unless you want to struggle

----------------
unnoms:
---> B+/B
hey look we freed

--> at least -1 rank each

reason

 

[Isaiah]

THE VIABILITY RANKINGS IS NOW UPDATED!!! (Only click this link if you can handle it)

If you disagree with any of the rankings, have new ones to suggest, or other similar opinion-slinging, share below!

Edit: It turns out that copying over ate all of the formatting, and I'm so sad about it that I don't want to fix it immediately. You can see the BOLDED (aka subjectively determined "best") abilities in the spreadsheet we use for voting slates.

 

[Isaiah]

The first DLC 2 Viability List is now live! It's an overview based on what council members have observed in the last couple of weeks, so not every single Good Pokemon will be on here. Be sure to post your thoughts and experiences if you see anything differently!

Viability Rankings + Sample Sets (and Analyses)
Last update: January 2, 2024​

- Each Pokemon links to its would-be page in Smogdex. For now, most of them are outdated/blank, but they will be updated over time once QC is up on running!

- Popular/"best" abilities: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...FM8isGtTkr/pubhtml?gid=1386725311&single=true

Pokemon	Abilities
Top Viability
Azelf	Psychic Surge
Corviknight	Intimidate, Fluffy, Volt Absorb
Deoxys-Defense	Unaware, Intimidate
Gholdengo	Earth Eater, Well-Baked Body, Magic Guard (really anything can work)
Gouging Fire	Magic Guard, Sword of Ruin, Desolate Land
Great Tusk	Scrappy
Manaphy	Regenerator, Fluffy, Motor Drive
Roaring Moon	Sword of Ruin
Swampert	Regenerator
High Viability
Chien-Pao	Sword of Ruin
Deoxys-Speed	Psychic Surge, No Guard
Iron Boulder	Sharpness, Sword of Ruin
Iron Moth	Desolate Land
Zapdos-Galar	Sword of Ruin, Magic Guard
Medium Viability
Barraskewda	Primordial Sea
Ceruledge	Triage, Desolate Land, Sword of Ruin
Dragonite	Aerilate
Electrode-Hisui	Magic Guard, Hadron Engine
Enamorus-Therian	Triage, Well Baked Body
Goodra-Hisui	Regenerator
Heatran	Desolate Land, Earth Eater
Kommo-o	Triage
Mandibuzz	Unaware, Well Baked Body
Meloetta	Regenerator
Ogerpon-Wellspring	Primordial Sea
Scream Tail	Unaware, Pixilate
Smeargle	Prankster
Walking Wake	Dragon's Maw, Beads of Ruin, Primordial Sea
Zapdos	Primordial Sea
Low Viability
Blissey	Well Baked Body, Magic Guard, Unaware
Cresselia	Unaware
Gengar	Sheer Force
Ogerpon-Cornerstone	Rocky Payload, Sword of Ruin
Ogerpon-Hearthflame	Desolate Land
Okidogi	Triage
Quaquaval	Magic Guard, Scrappy
Sandy Shocks	Hadron Engine
Slither Wing	Tinted Lens
Volcarona	Desolate Land, Sheer Force

 

[Isaiah]

We've got updated Speed Tiers now, courtesy of DeepFriedMagikarp!

Speed Tiers
(Current as of January 1st, 2024)
(DeepFriedMagikarp is the GOAT for doing this literally by themselves)​

Speed	Sprite	Pokemon	Base	IVs	EVs	Nature
666	(+2)	Garchomp	102	31	252	+
656	(+2) (+2)	Volcarona, Zapdos-Galar	100	31	252	+
612	(+2)	Moltres-Galar	90	31	252	+
598	(+2) (+2)	Volcarona, Zapdos-Galar	100	31	252	=
568	(+2)	Dragonite	80	31	252	+
568		Meowscarada	123	31	252	+
565		Greninja	122	31	252	+
558	(+2)	Moltres-Galar	90	31	252	=
555	/ (+1)	Roaring Moon	119	31	252	+
548		Regieleki	200	31	252	+
541		Azelf	115	31	252	+
525	(+1)	Ogerpon-*	110	31	252	+
522		Walking Wake	109	31	252	+
518	(+2)	Dragonite	80	31	252	=
504		Deoxys-Speed	180	31	252	+
499		Regieleki	200	31	252	=
499	(+1)	Garchomp	102	31	252	+
496		Sandy Shocks	101	31	252	+
492	(+1) (+1)	Manaphy, Volcarona, Chi-Yu	100	31	252	+
486		Iron Crown	98	31	252	+
478	(+2)	Polteageist	70	31	252	=
464	(+2)	Torterra	56	31	252	+
463		Gouging Fire	91	31	252	+
459		Deoxys-Speed	180	31	252	=
450	(+1)	Great Tusk	87	31	252	+
448	(+1) (+1)	Manaphy, Volcarona, Chi-Yu	100	31	252	=
447		Rotom-Wash	86	31	252	+
442	(+1) (+1) (+1)	Kommo-o, Ceruledge, Quaquaval	85	31	252	+
438		Electrode-Hisui	150	31	252	+
430		Slither Wing	81	31	252	+
426	(+1)	Dragonite	80	31	252	+
421		Gouging Fire	91	31	252	=
409	(+1)	Great Tusk	87	31	252	=
408		Barraskewda	136	31	252	+
406	(+2)	Vikavolt	43	31	252	+
405		Chien-Pao	135	31	252	+
403	(+1) (+1) (+1)	Kommo-o, Ceruledge, Quaquaval	85	31	252	=
393		Hoopa	70	31	252	+
390		Zamazenta-Crowned	128	31	252	+
388	(+1)	Dragonite	80	31	252	=
386		Talonflame	126	31	252	+
383		Weavile, Kilowattrel	125	31	252	+
381		Iron Boulder, Ribombee	124	31	252	+
379		Meowscarada	123	31	252	+
377		Greninja	122	31	252	+
372		Inteleon	120	31	252	+
370		Roaring Moon, Cinderace	119	31	252	+
361		Azelf, Raikou	115	31	252	+
353		Thundurus, Scream Tail	111	31	252	+
350		Iron Moth, Gengar, Ogerpon-*, Latios, Latias	110	31	252	+
348		Walking Wake	109	31	252	+
346		Terrakion, Cobalion, Infernape, Iron Jugulis	108	31	252	+
342		Iron Treads	106	31	252	+
333		Garchomp	102	31	252	+
331		Sandy Shocks, Thundurus-Therian, Landorus	101	31	252	+
328		Manaphy, Zapdos, Zapdos-Galar, Volcarona, Chi-Yu, Entei, Mew, Shaymin	100	31	252	+
324		Hydreigon, Iron Crown	98	31	252	+
309		Gouging Fire, Landorus-Therian	91	31	252	+
306		Arcanine-Hisui, Moltres, Moltres-Galar	90	31	252	+
301		Sandy Shocks	101	31	252	=
300		Great Tusk	87	31	252	+
299		Manaphy, Zapdos, Zapdos-Galar, Volcarona, Chi-yu, Entei, Mew, Shaymin	100	31	252	=
298		Rotom-Wash	86	31	252	+
295		Kommo-o, Ceruledge, Quaquaval, Samurott-Hisui, Archaludon	85	31	252	+
295		Hydreigon	98	31	252	=
287		Slither Wing	81	31	252	+
284		Dragonite, Okidogi, Mamoswine, Chandelure	80	31	252	+
281		Gouging Fire, Landorus-Therian	91	31	252	=
279		Moltres-Galar	90	31	252	=
278		Heatran	77	31	252	+
273		Great Tusk	87	31	252	=
269		Kommo-o, Ceruledge, Quaquaval, Samurott-Hisui, Archaludon	85	31	252	=
262		Volcanion, Hoopa	70	31	252	+
261		Slither Wing	81	31	252	=
259		Dragonite, Okidogi, Mamoswine, Chandelure	80	31	252	=
258		Scream Tail	111	31	0	=
240		Garchomp	102	31	0	=
240		Primarina	60	31	252	+
239		Polteageist, Sinistcha	70	31	252	=
236		Manaphy	100	31	0	=
232		Torterra	56	31	252	+
226		Gliscor	95	31	252	=
224		Tinkaton	94	31	0	=
223		Ursaluna-Blood Moon	52	31	252	+
219		Primarina	60	31	252	=
218		Kingambit, Diancie	50	31	252	+
216		Deoxys-Defense, Brambleghast	90	31	0	=
210		Great Tusk	87	31	0	=
210		Enamorus-Therian	46	31	252	+
208		Rotom-Wash	86	31	0	=
207		Conkeldurr	45	31	252	+
206		Archaludon, Cresselia, Kommo-o, Suicune	85	31	252	=
203		Vikavolt	43	31	252	+
199		Kingambit, Diancie	50	31	252	=
196		Mandibuzz	80	31	252	=
190		Heatran	77	31	0	=
186		Smeargle, Florges	75	31	0	=
184		Manaphy	100	0	0	-
182		Fezandipiti	99	0	0	-
176		Skarmory, Sinistcha	70	31	0	=
171		Chesnaught	64	31	28	=
170		Corviknight	67	31	0	=
168		Skeledirge	66	31	0	=
166		Meloetta	90	0	0	-
156		Goodra-Hisui, Primarina	60	31	0	=
150		Milotic	81	0	0	-
146		Blissey	55	31	0	=
136		Kingambit, Diancie, Muk-Alola, Registeel	50	31	0	=
128		Enamorus-Therian	46	31	0	=
126		Conkeldurr	45	31	0	=
125		Corviknight	67	0	0	-
124		Hippowdon	47	25	0	=
124		Ting-Lu	45	29	0	-
112		Swampert, Empoleon, Primarina	60	0	0	-
106		Garganacl, Toxapex, Dondozo	35	31	0	=
94		Hatterene	29	31	0	=
76		Clodsire	20	31	0	=
58		Slowking-Galar, Slowking	30	0	0	-

 

[Iynhe]

A couple Scarves sprites are missing (eg: Gouging Fire: without scarf can't really outspeed Dragonite at +1 lmao)
Really useful though (even with the missing sprites simply analyzing the numbers will show the correct scenario)
Thank you!

 

[Gambit]

I'm making my own tier list cause I have nothing better to do, and it updated on the 2nd of February

S Tier​	Abilities​	Explanation of Ability​
Corviknight	Intimidate, Fluffy, Well-Baked Body	Intimidate and Fluffy are to increase its defensive capabilities while WBB is used to counter Gouging Fire.
Roaring Moon	Sword of Ruin	SoR is used to increase offensive capabilities, especially on Choice Scarf variants.
Swampert	Regenerator	Regenerator is used since its an incredible regenvest user and has no other way of recovery.
S- Tier​	:)​	:(​
Chien-Pao	Sword of Ruin	SoR is used to increase its offensive capabilities and to beat Corviknight.
Gholdengo	Well-Baked Body, Levitate	WBB is to counter Gouging Fire and Levitate is to avoid Spikes and be immune to Swampert EQs.
Gouging Fire	Magic Guard, Desolate Land	MG means no LO, Rocks, or Flare Blitz damage while Deso Land greatly increases damage output and gives more healing to Morning Sun.
Great Tusk	Scrappy	Allows Rapid Spin to work against Ghosts and gives immunity to Intimidate.
A+ Tier​	:o	:0
Deoxys-S	Psychic Surge, Sheer Force	Psysurge means immunity to priority and strong Expanding Force, while SF gives crazy strong attacks even to utility moves.
Iron Boulder	Sharpness	Sharpness is since a lot of its moves are sharpness boosted and since it gives a good attack boost.
Iron Moth	Desolate Land	Deso Land is for insanely powerful Fire attacks and to prevent Flip Turn from Regenvest users.
Manaphy	Regenerator	Incredible Regenvest user due to good utility and no other way of recovery.
Mandibuzz	Unaware, Volt Absorb, Fluffy	Unaware to counter setup Tusk, G-Fire, and Moon, Volt Absorb for Sandy Shocks and Iron Hands, and Fluffy to further increase bulk.
Primarina	Primordial Sea, Regenerator	Prim Sea to fully counter G-Fire as well as to have an insanely powerful Weather Ball, while Regen is since its a decent Regenvest user.
A Tier​	:D	:d
Later

Will update more later.

 

[Kinetic]

Personal VR from S to A- (tiers not sorted in any particular way)

Pokemon​	Abilities​
S
Corviknight	Intimidate, Fluffy, Well-Baked Body
Swampert	Regenerator
A+
Gouging Fire	Magic Guard, Desolate Land, Mold Breaker, Sword of Ruin
Chien Pao	Sword of Ruin, Adaptability, Magic Guard
Roaring Moon	Sword of Ruin
Deoxys-Defense	Unaware
Deoxys-Speed	Psychic Surge, Sheer Force, Prankster, Protean
A
Ceruledge	Sword of Ruin, Desolate Land
Mandibuzz	Unaware, Well-Baked Body
Gholdengo	Well-Baked Body, Earth Eater
Great Tusk	Scrappy, Fluffy
Iron Boulder	Sharpness, Sword of Ruin
Walking Wake	Dragon's Maw, Primordial Sea
Latios	Adaptability
Galarian Zapdos	Sword of Ruin
Barraskewda	Primordial Sea
Ogerpon-Wellspring	Primordial Sea
Ogerpon-Cornerstone	Rocky Payload
Azelf	Psychic Surge
Iron Hands	Regenerator, Earth Eater, Thick Fat
Heatran	Desolate Land
Dragonite	Aerilate
Manaphy	Regenerator, Primordial Sea
A-
Primarina	Primordial Sea
Pecharunt	Unaware, Well-Baked Body, Earth Eater
Sandy Shocks	Hadron Engine
Skarmory	Fluffy, Well-Baked Body
Terrakion	Scrappy, Sword of Ruin
Zapdos	Primordial Sea
Hisuian Electrode	Magic Guard
Cinderace	Magic Guard, Desolate Land
Ogerpon-Hearthflame	Desolate Land

 

[Isaiah]

You already know what it is:

Viability Rankings + Sample Sets (and Analyses)
Last update: February 13, 2024

- Each Pokemon links to its would-be page in Smogdex. For now, most of them are outdated/blank, but they will be updated over time once QC is up on running!

Votes: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...FM8isGtTkr/pubhtml?gid=1632258521&single=true

S Rank
Corviknight	Fluffy, Intimidate, Well-Baked Body
A Rank
A+
Great Tusk	Scrappy, Fluffy, Regenerator, Mold Breaker
Roaring Moon	Sword of Ruin, Regenerator
Swampert	Regenerator
A
Chien-Pao	Sword of Ruin, Magic Guard
Deoxys-Speed	Psychic Surge, Prankster, Sheer Force
Gholdengo	Earth Eater, Well-Baked Body, Adaptability
A-
Azelf	Psychic Surge
Ceruledge	Desolate Land, Sword of Ruin
Deoxys-Defense	Unaware, Fluffy, Intimidate
Gengar	Sheer Force, Normalize
Iron Boulder	Sharpness
Iron Hands	Earth Eater, Regenerator, Surge Surfer
Iron Moth	Desolate Land, Sheer Force
Manaphy	Regenerator, Protosynthesis, Motor Drive
Primarina	Primordial Sea, Regenerator
Scream Tail	Pixilate, Unaware
Walking Wake	Primordial Sea, Dragon's Maw, Beads of Ruin
Zapdos	Primordial Sea, No Guard
B Rank
B+
Barraskewda	Primordial Sea
Cinderace	Desolate Land, Magic Guard, Sword of Ruin
Dragonite	Aerilate
Empoleon	Volt Absorb, Bulletproof, Earth Eater
Heatran	Desolate Land, Magic Guard
Latios	Adaptability, Tinted Lens, Hadron Engine
Mandibuzz	Unaware, Fluffy, Magic Guard
Meloetta	Regenerator
Ogerpon-Hearthflame	Desolate Land, Sword of Ruin
Sandy Shocks	Hadron Engine, Earth Eater
Skarmory	Well-Baked Body, FluffyIntimidate
Zapdos-Galar	Sword of Ruin, Magic Guard
B
Archaludon	Primordial Sea, Regenerator, Earth Eater
Blissey	Magic Guard, Unaware, Well-Baked Body
Garchomp	Regenerator, Sword of Ruin
Garganacl	Earth Eater, Fluffy
Goodra-Hisui	Regenerator
Kingambit	Adaptability, Well-Baked Body, Earth Eater
Landorus-Therian	Desolate Land
Meowscarada	Sword of Ruin
Mew	Regenerator
Ogerpon-Cornerstone	Rocky Payload, Sword of Ruin
Ogerpon-Wellspring	Primordial Sea, Sword of Ruin
Pecharunt	Corrosion, Earth Eater, Unaware
Slither Wing	Tinted Lens, Sword of Ruin, Magic Guard
Terrakion	Sword of Ruin
Volcarona	Sheer Force, Desolate Land, Magic Guard
Zoroark-Hisui	Sheer Force, Magic Guard, Adaptability
B-
Electrode-Hisui	Magic Guard
Iron Treads	Regenerator, Immunity Abilities
Kommo-o	Regenerator Galvanize
Smeargle	Prankster
Thundurus	Sheer Force, Magic Guard
C Rank
Chansey	Unaware, Magic Guard, Pressure
Chesnaught	Flame Body, Well-Baked Body
Cresselia	Unaware
Enamorus-Therian	Sheer Force
Landorus	Desolate Land
Polteageist	Queenly Majesty
Quaquaval	Intimidate, Magic Guard, Fluffy
Regieleki	Refrigerate
Ting Lu	Regenerator
Toxapex	Prankster, Corrosion
Zamazenta-Crowned	Dauntless Shield

In [perhaps bigger news], we now have a Resource Council! It currently consists of tiering council members + other members of the community that have shown dedication to keeping the tier's resources (sample teams, VR, smogdex, etc.) up to date and can be trusted to do so in a more official capacity. The added members are:

> Kinetic
> Gimmicky
> cat
> UT (technically was already doing this anyway)

Gratz!

 

[Isaiah]

The Role Compendium is now up to date! Thanks to Gimmicky for this version :]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threa...ompendium-are-up-to-date.3710571/post-9390610

 

[UT]

Viability Rankings + Sample Sets (and Analyses)
Last update: March13, 2024​

- Each Pokemon links to its would-be page in Smogdex. For now, most of them are outdated/blank, but they will be updated over time once QC is up on running!

Votes: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...FM8isGtTkr/pubhtml?gid=1632258521&single=true

	Pokemon	Abilities
S Rank
Corviknight	Corviknight	Fluffy, Intimidate, Well-Baked Body, Prankster
A Rank
A+
Great Tusk	Great Tusk	Scrappy, Fluffy, Regenerator, Mold Breaker
Roaring Moon	Roaring Moon	Sword of Ruin, Regenerator
Swampert	Swampert	Regenerator
A
Azelf	Azelf	Psychic Surge
Ceruledge	Ceruledge	Desolate Land, Sword of Ruin, Adaptability
Chien-Pao	Chien-Pao	Sword of Ruin, Adaptability, Magic Guard
Deoxys-Speed	Deoxys-Speed	Psychic Surge, Prankster, Sheer Force, Protean
Gholdengo	Gholdengo	Earth Eater, Well-Baked Body, Adaptability, Immunity Abilities
Iron Hands	Iron Hands	Earth Eater, Regenerator, Surge Surfer
Manaphy	Manaphy	Regenerator, Motor Drive, Protosynthesis
Walking Wake	Walking Wake	Primordial Sea, Dragon's Maw, Adaptability
Zamazenta	Zamazenta	Sword of Ruin, Scrappy, Purifying Salt, Regenerator
A-
Barraskewda	Barraskewda	Primordial Sea
Deoxys-Defense	Deoxys-Defense	Unaware, Intimidate, Fluffy, Regenerator
Empoleon	Empoleon	Volt Absorb, Earth Eater, Bulletproof
Gengar	Gengar	Sheer Force, Normalize, Beads of Ruin
Iron Boulder	Iron Boulder	Sharpness
Iron Moth	Iron Moth	Desolate Land, Sheer Force
Mandibuzz	Mandibuzz	Unaware, Fluffy, Magic Guard, Immunity Abilities
Primarina	Primarina	Primordial Sea, Regenerator
Scream Tail	Scream Tail	Unaware, Pixilate
Zapdos	Zapdos	Primordial Sea, No Guard, Intimidate
B Rank
B+
Cinderace	Cinderace	Desolate Land, Magic Guard, Sword of Ruin, Earth Eater
Dragonite	Dragonite	Aerilate
Garchomp	Garchomp	Regenerator, Sword of Ruin
Heatran	Heatran	Desolate Land, Magic Guard, Water Absorb, Earth Eater
Latios	Latios	Adaptability, Tinted Lens, Hadron Engine
Ogerpon-Hearthflame	Ogerpon-Hearthflame	Sword of Ruin, Desolate Land, Magic Guard, Mold Breaker
Pecharunt	Pecharunt	Earth Eater, Corrosion, Unaware
Sandy Shocks	Sandy Shocks	Hadron Engine, Earth Eater
Skarmory	Skarmory	Well-Baked Body, Fluffy, Intimidate
Zapdos-Galar	Zapdos-Galar	Sword of Ruin, Magic Guard
B
Archaludon	Archaludon	Primordial Sea, Regenerator, Earth Eater
Blissey	Blissey	Magic Guard, Unaware, Well-Baked Body
Electrode-Hisui	Electrode-Hisui	Magic Guard
Goodra-Hisui	Goodra-Hisui	Regenerator, Earth Eater
Kingambit	Kingambit	Adaptability, Well-Baked Body, Earth Eater
Landorus-Therian	Landorus-Therian	Desolate Land, Regenerator
Meloetta	Meloetta	Regenerator
Meowscarada	Meowscarada	Sword of Ruin
Ogerpon-Cornerstone	Ogerpon-Cornerstone	Rocky Payload, Sword of Ruin
Ogerpon-Wellspring	Ogerpon-Wellspring	Primordial Sea, Sword of Ruin
Slither Wing	Slither Wing	Tinted Lens, Magic Guard, Sword of Ruin
Terrakion	Terrakion	Sword of Ruin, Adaptability
Volcarona	Volcarona	Sheer Force, Desolate Land, Magic Guard
Zoroark-Hisui	Zoroark-Hisui	Sheer Force
B-
Garganacl	Garganacl	Earth Eater, Fluffy
Iron Treads	Iron Treads	Regenerator, Immunity Abilities, Magic Guard
Thundurus	Thundurus	Sheer Force, Magic Guard
C Rank
Chansey	Chansey	Unaware, Magic Guard, Pressure
Chesnaught	Chesnaught	Flame Body, Well-Baked Body
Cresselia	Cresselia	Unaware, Stamina
Enamorus-Therian	Enamorus-Therian	Sheer Force, Well-Baked Body
Kommo-o	Kommo-o	Regenerator, Galvanize
Landorus	Landorus	Desolate Land, Sheer Force
Mew	Mew	Regenerator, Magic Guard
Polteageist	Polteageist	Queenly Majesty, Normalize
Quaquaval	Quaquaval	Intimidate, Magic Guard, Fluffy
Regieleki	Regieleki	Refrigerate
Smeargle	Smeargle	Prankster, Aroma Veil
Talonflame	Talonflame	Magic Guard
Thundurus-Therian	Thundurus-Therian	Sheer Force, Primordial Sea
Ting Lu	Ting Lu	Regenerator, Fluffy
Toxapex	Toxapex	Corrosion, Prankster
Ursaluna-Bloodmoon	Ursaluna-Bloodmoon	Adaptability, Storm Drain, Steam Engine
Zamazenta-Crowned	Zamazenta-Crowned	Dauntless Shield

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See anything missing, in the wrong place, or missing relevant abilities? Let us know!

 

[TDLoriat]

Manaphy A -> A+

I dont think Manaphy needs much introduction. A regenvest pokemon that can do everything you need. Scald, pivot, and U turn leave a free fourth moveslot to be used for any coverages youd need off of base 100 offensive stats. Manaphy is only truly competing with swampert, and I believe that they are equal in viability. Swampert lacks in a few important qualities that manaphy ekes out an edge from. Manaphy boasts better defensive stats and a stronger special attack, allowing for better taking and dealing of damage. Manaphy also notably differs in resistances and weaknesses, trading and electric weakness for ice and water resistances and only being 2x weak to grass. These combine to let Manaphy act as a mych better counter to threats like Chien Pao, Walking Wake, and Iron moth. Manaphy is worse in matchups with electric types and it notable lacks stab earthquakes, which is one of the main draws of Swampert. Manaphy has a different enough defensive profile to be put on many teams Swampert cant be run on.

 

[Gambit]

btw these were some of the changes that were made (I'm not even on the VA Council but I just noticed them though)

A- - > A
A- - > A
A- - > A
A- - > A
A- - > A
UR - > A
B+ - > A-
B+ - > A-
B+ - > A-
B - > B+
B - > B+
B- - > B

 

[Slither Wing]

New VR time, but this time I'm actually skeptical of some placements (not a lot of them, but some imo) :

B --> B+

Meloetta can quite literally blanket-check almost all Special attackers in the tier, and only has a losing matchups against like, Hydreigon and... Dark Pulse Deoxys-S, so not a lot of immediately threatening Special Attackers. Admittedly, it's super vulnerable to both U-turn and Knock Off, but I'd argue that all RegenVest users are atm, and I think Meloetta's a little bit underappreciated here, it's a great RegenVester if you're just looking to check general Special Attackers.

C --> B- / B

Speaking of under the radar, why did this mon fall off so hard out of nowhere? I guess it's main niche was that it could OHKO Hoodra, but considering that Hoodra usage has dropped, there's like nothing that can safely switch into this, you can even tech with Grass Knot for Swampert. Speed tier isn't the best, but 331 is still respectable, and literally the only way to stop this is with Rocks or offensively, not to mention that it cooks the newly popular Empoleon since it can't run both VA and Bulletproof.

A --> A+

Maybe a hot take, but this mon is NUTS. There are virtually no reliable checks to it outside of Empoleon / RegenVest Primarina with the introduction of Knock Off. Now, you simply beat all RegenVesters by simply clicking Knock, and then 2HKO them if they ever dare to switch in again. You can try and predict the Knock Off, but that's also a huge risk since odds are that staying in might just lead to that mon getting blown up. And even if the opponent has Empoleon, you can easily overwhelm it since it has to rely on Roost, which it might not always get to click. I genuinly think this is the breaker of the tier, and that you always need to prepare for it. It's also bulky enough to withstand most revenge-killing attempts from the likes of Dragonite or Roaring Moon not clicking Outrage. Overall, nuts mon imo, I'd say its top 5 easily.

C --> UR

Ok but seriously, what the fuck is this doing here, It's legit useless outside of that gimmicky Steam Enging set I saw once (It wasn't even good with that), please consider getting rid of this garbage please and thank you, it literally does jack.

 

[TDLoriat]

A --> A+

Maybe a hot take, but this mon is NUTS. There are virtually no reliable checks to it outside of Empoleon / RegenVest Primarina with the introduction of Knock Off. Now, you simply beat all RegenVesters by simply clicking Knock, and then 2HKO them if they ever dare to switch in again. You can try and predict the Knock Off, but that's also a huge risk since odds are that staying in might just lead to that mon getting blown up. And even if the opponent has Empoleon, you can easily overwhelm it since it has to rely on Roost, which it might not always get to click. I genuinly think this is the breaker of the tier, and that you always need to prepare for it. It's also bulky enough to withstand most revenge-killing attempts from the likes of Dragonite or Roaring Moon not clicking Outrage. Overall, nuts mon imo, I'd say its top 5 easily.

I could not agree with this more. If you cant play around Wake perfectly you lose at least one mon to it. The only reason that Wake isnt genuinely banworthy is the fact that it has an unfortunate speed tier of 109, making it lose to things like Roaring moon, Meowscarada, Chien Pao and Latios. BUT GOOD LUCK SWITCHING THEM IN

 

[sisaac_nouise]

what's the general consensus on delta stream corviknight? it's not listed on the vr and i'd just like to know if i'm completely stupid or if it should maybe be listed.

i decided to experiment with it because my team was having trouble dealing with opposing weather, as i didn't have many ways to cancel it. despite having an intimidate corv, switching into ice and rock type attacks was also difficult for my team, and i didn't see anything on the vr that could help my problems while also letting me keep hazard removal on my team.

enter delta stream corviknight, which suddenly solved all the problems i was having. i just feel like the ability swap gave me better answers to iron boulder, chien pao (yeah crunch hurts more, but my team didn't have troubles with dark types), and the ogerpons.

granted, a lot of what delta stream helps corviknight against isn't too high on the vr outside of boulder, which yeah could probably warrant not including it. but idk, i'm really mostly sending this message to see if anyone else has experimented with it and likes it.

 

[Isaiah]

what's the general consensus on delta stream corviknight? it's not listed on the vr and i'd just like to know if i'm completely stupid or if it should maybe be listed.

i decided to experiment with it because my team was having trouble dealing with opposing weather, as i didn't have many ways to cancel it. despite having an intimidate corv, switching into ice and rock type attacks was also difficult for my team, and i didn't see anything on the vr that could help my problems while also letting me keep hazard removal on my team.

enter delta stream corviknight, which suddenly solved all the problems i was having. i just feel like the ability swap gave me better answers to iron boulder, chien pao (yeah knock off hurts more, but my team didn't have troubles with dark types), and the ogerpons.

granted, a lot of what delta stream helps corviknight against isn't too high on the vr outside of boulder, which yeah could probably warrant not including it. but idk, i'm really mostly sending this message to see if anyone else has experimented with it and likes it.

You're not stupid at all! I won't go as far as to say it's a great set, but it certainly fulfills the niche you've described. Checking the strong Rock-type guys and frying Weather Ball spammers are especially valuable. The current VR was updated before the council fully settled on how many "viable" abilities to list for each Pokemon, so Delta Stream Corviknight probably got overlooked in the process. Your post more or less functions as a nom though, so maybe it'll get in on the next update if it's still decent :P