Gen 3 ADV PU

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Played ADV PU for the first time and enjoyed it. Thought I would bump the the thread and share my thoughts on the tier and mons in it with a rough viability ranking. I don't like plus and minuses and its not in order in tiers. ADV PU is in a good spot. Nothing felt too overwhelming or I didnt feel restricted in the builder which is always enjoyable for me.

:minun: This mon is rivals ADV UU Kanga in viability which is quite wild. As time went on I see why you couldnt build without it. It's an important element to the speed dynamic to the tier which also serves as an offensive or defensive pivot with the coverage to boot. Rightfully the only S tier and wont change ever I feel.
:Trapinch: Trapping in this tier is kinda lame but when is it not. The more bulky sets can get great value. With paralysis being common it also enables the mon even to higher degree.
:Togetic: I'm not a fan of this mon... I see the why it deserves high praise being one of the few ground immunes with reasonable bulk and free serene grace psychic clicks. I always saw my self wanting to use another sp def wall like nair/swalot or use abra for my psychic clicking needs. I will probably see the light in the future and build something where I enjoy it.
:abra: Super slept on. Psychic in lower tiers is always free. Paired with a great speed tier in the metagame it can go a long way. With only move you need being psychic you can explore with moves like Encore, Twave, Sub, Punches, HP water, CM etc.
 
Hey gamers, here's an update on ADV PU.

e: this turned out a lot sappier and more long-winded than I expected it to be but the first paragraph should explain why this feels like a big deal to me.
After much consideration, I have decided to step down as caretaker of the tier. My motivation has been at an all time low for Pokemon stuff in general and I think this is the best course of action both for myself and the tier. Next month will mark my 10th year on Pokemon Showdown (23rd year as a Pokemon player) and while I don't think I'll ever fully quit Pokemon, I have felt a shift over the past few months or so towards other things in my life. I've been dragging my feet on updating resources for a long time, getting sample teams, and just the general upkeep it requires and I've only done what I have mainly because of ZU's community asking me to do so. I won't be fully disappearing as I still am passionate about the tier, I just don't have the time to be in charge of it anymore. I'm grateful to see the changes that have happened since I took over the tier almost THREE YEARS AGO and proud to see how much the tier has grown since, now being included in large tours like PUPL, ADVPL, and having its own part in the PU Classic, and making the push for Old Gen lower tiers to have their own subforums for resources and discussion.

Wanna give shoutouts to a few key people as well:
Akir My fellow oldgen supporter, I quite literally couldn't have done it without you. You were the one who gave me the opportunity after all and have always been available to ask for advice, vent, or just casually chat. I probably couldn't say thank you enough.
Slowbroth The original ADV caretaker, always there to offer advice as well. You laid out the ground work to turn this tier into what it is today, I just built off of what you started.
Drud One of my closer friends on this site, you might not have had as much of an impact on ADV as these other people but you have always been there to talk and bounce ideas off of (or just listen to me complain about shit). I really appreciate you bro.
Lily LordST Medeia Gangsta Spongebob MrSoup TSR At some point or another, all of you played the meta enough to have a say in some decisions, an unofficial council of sorts. Whether it was VR voting, figuring out what we wanted to do with Baton Pass, or voting on bans, you have all helped this tier become what it is on a more technical side.
Finally, I want to thank everyone who has played ADV PU over the past few years. As I already said, we took a relatively unknown, rarely played metagame and turned it into something that has become a mainstay in both the ADV and PU communities. We couldn't have done that without you, the people who actually play the game. Thank you.

I have the pleasure of announcing that the next ADV PU caretaker will be plznostep, a great player who I'm very confident will do a fantastic job of doing what needs to be done to keep the tier growing and improving. It'll likely take a bit to get things switched over to him in here, and I wouldn't expect any changes to happen before the end of PUPL but I know I'm leaving the future of the tier in good hands.
 
Played this metagame for a tiny bit when trying to learn it for ADV slam and I really enjoy it! I like how fresh the playerbase is to this meta and it made entry very refreshing when I can toss out ideas and try to understand the meta a lil better. One of these said ideas is the reason for this post, when I brought this up in short concept to a friend I said it might be something but has its flaws here and there. When I opened the idea up to the wider public we started optimizing the spreads a little more and people started building new comps with it, and I feel like this Pokemon has a genuine place in the ADV PU metagame. This Pokemon that I'm talking about would be... Numel.

:rs/numel:
Numel @ Leftovers
Ability: Oblivious
EVs: 128 HP / 120 Atk / 152 SpA / 4 SpD / 104 Spe
Mild Nature
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Toxic
- Protect / Hidden Power Grass

Although Numel's base stats are kinda terrible (highest base stat is 65 :skull:), its typing really carries it. Minun doesn't run Hidden Power Water at all so Numel consistently gains entry on it and pressures switches with its great STAB combination or Toxic. Ground switch-ins typically dont like taking Numel head-on, while typical Fire switch-ins get hit with EQ or Toxic, or Marshtomp can even get bopped by HP Grass. Numel's neutrality to ice and grass while not taking much damage from the defensive users of these moves means it isn't uncommon for Numel to find entry against bulkier teams, pressuring the likes of Minun, Swalot, Duskull, Dragonair, Mawile, Tangela, Magcargo, and Pineco. Being immune to T-wave while aptly pressuring the T-wavers is great in paraspam tier too, making it less vulnerable to getting Trapinch'ed.

Its winning 1v1 matchups vs Minun, Pineco, and Charmeleon, the three most common leads in the tier, also makes it a very good lead! Numel can even safely click Toxic against these leads on turn 1 to catch a bulky water switching in, its just so good at generating momentum. Not only does it win against these leads but even oddball leads like Combusken, Grovyle, and Swalot lose to it on average, and against physical leads like Furret and Arbok it can use Protect against to scout.

The EV spread may seem weird but I promise every EV here counts. 120 Attack 3HKOs Dnair while consistently OHKOing Seviper and Minun, 152+ Special Attack OHKOs spdef Pineco and offensive Trapinch while 2HKOing pdef Duskull, the Speed outspeeds offensive Trapinch and min speed Swalot, the HP is a lefties number + 1 to mitigate passive damage, and while the one point in spdef is generally a dump, it consistently lives a 2HKO from Charmeleon Fire Blast from full so that's cool. In the past I've used max HP / SpD with Sassy, but I quickly realized offensive spreads are a bit better since Minun still bounces and the offensive pressure + outspeeding pinch outweighs the bulk. Do note with Mild Numel has a bit more trouble switching into Swalot Sludge Bomb (or CB Arbok Sludge Bomb) but you can also pivot around Swalot's coverage. I think toxic protect is generally best and hp grass kinda helps into marsh and omanyte if you can afford it, but other options like Rest w HBell Lickitung exist too.

I would talk about comps but I think its something a wider group of people should explore before we truly know, although one synergy I found is with Furret, as Numel switches into Furret's usual switchins such as Duskull Mawile Tangela and Magcargo (i wish it switched into Graveler lol) as well as Minun trying to offensively check Furret.

Anyway, despite its flaws, quite a few of there being if that wasn't obvious, I do think Numel has a real place in ADV PU. IMO Its not quite the Chinchou fad that happened a year ago where all it does is kinda check Minun and Sealeo, everything just carries HP Grass anyway bc of Marshtomp's existence. If Numel picks up in tournaments and gets ranked on the VR that would be awesome, even if it ends up being C alongside other mons that have a tiny niche (although ik some ppl like slowbroth would put it B- or C+). Even a bad ranking would mean people gave thought about it even if that thought is "that one shitmon Amity talked about". I'm glad that I got to add ADV PU to my repertoire of niche old gen lower tiers that I know and I hope to see this metagame stay fresh and exciting!
 
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