Of course, the last problem with PZ's ability, is the fact there's only 1 Dubious Disk in the game, so if you're like me and imported a Porygon2 from R/S/E, you're stuck with what the game gives you. I'm very happy with Download, but like I said, it's all about personal preferances, and of course, what the rest of your team is like.
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Adaptability vs. Download-Which will reign as Porygon-Z's best ability?
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Of course, the last problem with PZ's ability, is the fact there's only 1 Dubious Disk in the game, so if you're like me and imported a Porygon2 from R/S/E, you're stuck with what the game gives you. I'm very happy with Download, but like I said, it's all about personal preferances, and of course, what the rest of your team is like.
adaptability is still unsure.
it could be a modifier of x1.75, or two seperate x 1.5 modifiers.
in this case, tri attack could become 140 (less then x2) or 180 (more then x2)
it could be a modifier of x1.75, or two seperate x 1.5 modifiers.
in this case, tri attack could become 140 (less then x2) or 180 (more then x2)
Adaptability is much better on the Mixed ones. You increase the power of Return and Tri Attack (or Hyper Beam, if youre using that on the Mixed set), instead of just 1 of them.
It doesn't really matter if it sounds cool or not. How many Tentacool do you see (non-ingame)?
i will get two PorygonZs, one with each (Adaptability and Download) and try both out on competitor when it comes out to settle the debate
How do you plan to settle it on competitor when the information competitor uses is the information that we as a community know?
Yet according to Boa's math, it's not a 2.25x boost.
Well this is where I guess we should apeal to the Sharkers and "cheaters" of this community for the sake of information guathering. It seems to me the best way to figure out what does what damage, is just have someone shark in 2 identical PorygonZs except for the ability, test them each say 10 times against Something with a good Physical Defense (so it raises Zs Special Attack) but still has good enough Special Defense to survive an attack... Max HP Swampert Maybe I donno... and use tri attack lets say, and see what the damage is like on each. This probably would get us closer to finding out what kind of damage we are really talking about here.
Adaptability for the same reason people choose Ice Beam over Blizzard.
More reliable.
I use Agility over Nasty Plot though. >_>
More reliable.
I use Agility over Nasty Plot though. >_>
Adaptability is a lot better. When will you ever use Ice Beam/Thunderbolt apart from vs. 4x weaks like Gyarados and Mence, or on Ghosts (who after a nasty plot are all OHKOd but Dusknoir, who can't do much back anyway). 180 power Special Tri Attack is scary - it 2HKOs Snorlax after a nasty plot.
But we don't know that it's another 1.5x boost yet. That's the whole question right now.
I believe Team Rocket Elite tested this in the research thread. It exists for a reason. I suggest you people should trust the main researcher for DP (he was given a badge by the admins) over some (no-offense) random with seven posts, half of them in this thread.
Strong words. I'm doing testing of my own and there's no possible way that Adaptability gives an additional x1.5 multiplier in addition to STAB. I'll post again once I figure out what the multiplier is.
No offense taken, Hyra. But I read through a vast majority of both of the research threads and never saw anything about adaptability... Though if you can find TRE's test, data, and results, that would be splendid.
One thing I can guarantee you is that my data is accurate, so I'd like to see other possible formulae that fit my data and any other data that's been collected.
Also, I came up with another formula that works (and is more likely than the one in my last post)
(((((2 + (100 * 2 / 5)) * 80 * 275) / 330) / 50) + 2) * 1 * (r/100) * 2 * 1 * 1
Minimum: 98
Maximum: 116
This time I am EXTREMELY confident that this is the correct formula. Before the course of this research, my first thought was that it changed the STAB modifier to be 2x instead of 1.5x; But I gave up on that idea after my first test, using an old (and no longer correct) damage formula, told me that it wasn't possible.
If you think TRE did research into this, PLEASE find the post and let us know the data/results. It's possible he could have done it before the changes in the damage formula were known, or that he just had unusually high-hitting results (even though he is very thorough, consistantly high hits ARE possible). Either way, data from multiple people (myself and Footnote) tells us that it could not be as simple as an additional 1.5x.
Study done by multiple competant people is usually more accurate than study by one above-competant person.
One thing I can guarantee you is that my data is accurate, so I'd like to see other possible formulae that fit my data and any other data that's been collected.
Also, I came up with another formula that works (and is more likely than the one in my last post)
(((((2 + (100 * 2 / 5)) * 80 * 275) / 330) / 50) + 2) * 1 * (r/100) * 2 * 1 * 1
Minimum: 98
Maximum: 116
This time I am EXTREMELY confident that this is the correct formula. Before the course of this research, my first thought was that it changed the STAB modifier to be 2x instead of 1.5x; But I gave up on that idea after my first test, using an old (and no longer correct) damage formula, told me that it wasn't possible.
If you think TRE did research into this, PLEASE find the post and let us know the data/results. It's possible he could have done it before the changes in the damage formula were known, or that he just had unusually high-hitting results (even though he is very thorough, consistantly high hits ARE possible). Either way, data from multiple people (myself and Footnote) tells us that it could not be as simple as an additional 1.5x.
Study done by multiple competant people is usually more accurate than study by one above-competant person.
Hyra, you and Mekkah both have been lulled into a false sense of security in the assumed result of a "double STAB" (or 2.25 multiplier).
In fact, the ability, like Solar Power, had never actually been tested at all. By anyone on Smogon, anyway. This is the first hard data regarding the ability, and I thank Footnote and boa both for their efforts.
Heh, I'm way too tired to make out whats going on in this thread, but if I have time I'll shark an in-game situation to test this out.