10-1 Team on The Marriland Forums

Raquan95

This team has been working out perfectly on Marriland.Stupid wifi always screws me but through all that this team is 10-1.1 loss because of a wall team and Infernape died...

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Machamp@Leftovers
Impish | No Guard
188 HP/56 Atk/216 Def/8 Spd/40 SDef
~ Dynamicpunch
~ Ice Punch
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk

Function: Status Absorber and Bulky Sweeper.He also serves as my main counter to Blissey.Ice Punch lets me get some damage on Gliscor.He also makes a perfect Tyranitar counter.


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Starmie@Leftovers
Timid | Natural Cure
160 HP / 132 SpA / 216 Spe
~ Thunderbolt
~ Rapid Spin
~ Recover
~ Surf

Function: Counter for Infernape and Gyarados and Special Sweeper.Rapid Spins away Spikes, Stealth Rock ect.


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Infernape@Life Orb
Naive | Blaze
24 Atk / 252 SpA / 232 Spe
~ Flamethrower
~ Close Combat
~ Grass Knot
~ Hidden Power Ice

Function: Wall killer.Offers very nice coverage with this moveset.


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Gliscor@Leftovers
Impish | Sand Veil
252 Hp / 252 Def / 6 Spe
~ EQ
~ Ice Fang
~ Stealth Rock
~ Roost

Function: Physical wall.Sets up rocks and walls Heracross and Lucario.He can take down dragons with ice fang.


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Blissey@Leftovers
Bold | Natural Cure
252 SDef/176 Def/80 SAtk
~ Ice Beam
~ T-Wave
~ Aromatherapy
~ Softboiled

Function: Special Wall and Cleric.


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Dragonite@Yache Berry/Leftovers
Jolly | Inner Focus
100 Hp / 204 Atk / 204 Spe
~ Dragon Dance
~ Outrage
~ Fire Punch
~ EQ

Function: Physical Sweeper.

Rate on a scale from 1/10 and plz don't say " No originality".
 
Well it has the nescessary counters for the metagame. Blissey, Gliscor and Starmie work very well together in countering the majority of OU threats. Machamp is that singular Tyranitar counter while your main offense is Infernape to break up the team in order for the Dragonite sweep. It is a well built team, that is for certain.

There isn't much to change at all. Raikou will beat you with Substitute, as Ice Beam from Blissey isn't going to break the Substitute while Raikou 2HKOs eventually; proceeding to OHKO the rest of your team. Maybe Seismic Toss to patch up slight weakness. Replacing it with Thunder Wave seems to be the most likely, considering your Infernape and Dragonite don't nescessarily need the opposing Pokemon paralyzed considering Infernape is fast and Dragonite sweeps with Dragon Dance (increasing its own speed).

In fact, I think the Mismagnius is the exact same in regards to the Calm Mind and Substitute strategy. And while I'm on the topic; Suicune also can set up not phazed by the weak Thunderbolt from your Starmie, as it only delivers roughly 28% of damage after Suicune gets in one Calm Mind.

I think Calm Mind Blissey would be pretty creative and unexpected, to say the least. More importantly, it covers this minor Calm Mind weakness. Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Calm Mind and Softboild; why not? Aromatheraphy won't be helping effectively, as Starmie and Blissey both have Natural Cure for status, then include Machamp and its Rest + Sleep Talk to absorb incoming status. Infernape dies considerably fast due to Life Orb (and note it can enduce burn anyway) while Gliscor and Dragonite are the only ones who don't want to be affected by status. But I'm sure you can avoid status coming in on them two.

Just a thought.

Edit: Big Mamoswine weakness and I missed it. I will get back to you on that.
 
I don't think that being 10-1 on Marriland is a good representation of your Pokémon skills. Marriland is full of noobs. Anyways, I don't see any big weaknesses on this team. Good job.
 
Mike Rotch said:
I don't think that being 10-1 on Marriland is a good representation of your Pokémon skills. Marriland is full of noobs. Anyways, I don't see any big weaknesses on this team. Good job.
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I was using that as a catchy thing since it seems that people here don't really like Marriland.
 
Taylor said:
Well it has the nescessary counters for the metagame. Blissey, Gliscor and Starmie work very well together in countering the majority of OU threats. Machamp is that singular Tyranitar counter while your main offense is Infernape to break up the team in order for the Dragonite sweep. It is a well built team, that is for certain.

There isn't much to change at all. Raikou will beat you with Substitute, as Ice Beam from Blissey isn't going to break the Substitute while Raikou 2HKOs eventually; proceeding to OHKO the rest of your team. Maybe Seismic Toss to patch up slight weakness. Replacing it with Thunder Wave seems to be the most likely, considering your Infernape and Dragonite don't nescessarily need the opposing Pokemon paralyzed considering Infernape is fast and Dragonite sweeps with Dragon Dance (increasing its own speed).

In fact, I think the Mismagnius is the exact same in regards to the Calm Mind and Substitute strategy. And while I'm on the topic; Suicune also can set up not phazed by the weak Thunderbolt from your Starmie, as it only delivers roughly 28% of damage after Suicune gets in one Calm Mind.

I think Calm Mind Blissey would be pretty creative and unexpected, to say the least. More importantly, it covers this minor Calm Mind weakness. Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Calm Mind and Softboild; why not? Aromatheraphy won't be helping effectively, as Starmie and Blissey both have Natural Cure for status, then include Machamp and its Rest + Sleep Talk to absorb incoming status. Infernape dies considerably fast due to Life Orb (and note it can enduce burn anyway) while Gliscor and Dragonite are the only ones who don't want to be affected by status. But I'm sure you can avoid status coming in on them two.

Just a thought.

Edit: Big Mamoswine weakness and I missed it. I will get back to you on that.
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That is what I was thinking about the Raikou.People kept telling me that I am scarfchomp weak so they said put Ice Beam on Bliss.
 
Gliscor has no problem in dealing with Garchomp holding Choice Scarf. Outrage fails to 2HKO Gliscor, who can Roost off the damage that it takes.

Because Mamoswine has Life Orb more often than not, you can keep resisting the incoming Ice Fang / Ice Shard with Starmie if he attacks with an Ice-type move, in hopes for an OHKO on Gliscor or Dragonite. Plus, you can always look on the bright side of Dragonite and Yache Berry; you can OHKO it with Outrage after it takes a significant ammount of damage.

You don't have a "full proof" Mamoswine counter, but everything else is dealt with one way or another, and I am sure if you keep the above paragraph in mind you will be able to take out opposing Mamoswine without too much trouble.

(I believe the team is fine as it is, so I did not recommend a replacement just for Mamoswine).
 
Taylor covered all the basics, and I agree in saying you cover the metagame pretty safely with the team as it is right now. Mamoswine throwing earthquakes at the right time can hurt you, but you can't replace much without throwing off the team balance you have right now. CB Mamoswine Earthquaking would run over this team as Starmie can't handle it, but no one runs that since he is too versatile to be locked into CB.

The only problem I see you would have a lot of trouble getting through Cresselia. Reflect Cresselia, Calm Mind Cresselia, etc - just about any cresselia setup will give you tons of trouble. -- Which makes me agree with Taylor again and think you should lean toward a CM Blissey. CM Blissey beats CM Cress obviously, and then you get a way to take out any kind of Cresselia you run across. Without it Cresselia walls the majority of your team (Gliscor, Machamp, Infernape, Blissey, Starmie depending on the cresselia build - only a Dragon Dance Outrage from Dragonite *could* severly hurt certain cresselia builds but Dragonite can't walk into a Cresselia easily).
 
Yes. Thunder Wave is not giving you an advantage at all. There isn't a need to bump this thread anymore, unless you want to change the entire team around. Honestly, Blissey would work wonders with Calm Mind in place of Thunder Wave, with Thunderbolt following not far behind (replacing Aromatheraphy). Blissey can lead to an unexpected sweep with Calm Mind and "BoltBeam" under its belt.

Oh, are you testing these changes at all? I posted mainly for that question.
 
Ok I'll try testing it out on Wifi.I don't see how a calm mind Blissey pwns calm mind cress but I'll give it a try thanks.
 
They both have their good points. Dragonite has access to the powerful Outrage and a physical Fire-type move (Fire Fang). Salamence gets the trait Intimidate, higher base speed and ironically higher base special attack, which boots up Fire Blast used on Life Orb Salamence with or without Dragon Dance (which will hurt Skarmory more, but Bronzong slightly less).

I generally prefer Salamence for the Speed alone (to outspeed Lucario and Heatran 100%). But does Salamence "outclass" Dragonite? Not at all...
 
That is a valid point. Salamence also has the ability to come in on physical Pokemon trapped in a Choice Band / Scarf / Specs, and sweep because the Intimidate bonus. But the fact of the matter is Salamence can use Adamant and still outspeed things like Lucario and Heatran, unlike Dragonite.
 
Taylor said:
They both have their good points. Dragonite has access to the powerful Outrage and a physical Fire-type move (Fire Fang). Salamence gets the trait Intimidate, higher base speed and ironically higher base special attack, which boots up Fire Blast used on Life Orb Salamence with or without Dragon Dance (which will hurt Skarmory more, but Bronzong slightly less).

I generally prefer Salamence for the Speed alone (to outspeed Lucario and Heatran 100%). But does Salamence "outclass" Dragonite? Not at all...
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wouln't dragonite benefit more from fire punch? i mean the flinch is nice but its going to need that extra oomph if u want to maximize its sweeping capabilities
 
Atticus said:
wouln't dragonite benefit more from fire punch? i mean the flinch is nice but its going to need that extra oomph if u want to maximize its sweeping capabilities
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That was a typo as I meant to say Fire Punch. Maybe I need to get Garchomp out of my mind!
 
I might even think about putting Hariyama over Machamp since I just got swept by a freakin Gallade XD.I can use him as a phazer.
 
Dragonite wants to be Adamant and only needs about 180 EVs in Speed so you can shift those 24 EVs into Attack which will give Fire Punch and Earthquake more power (as you want to safe Outrage until all Steels are eliminated)
 
So far I am loving the changes.I just swept an entire team on shoddy with Dragonite.I didn't switch to Salamence.Salamence was just a little to fragile.I am loving the addition of Hariyama too.
 
Doma Orichalcos said:
I was wondering how well your Machamp can survive Psycho Cut?

And yes, Dragonite is a Shoddy favorite, but the 4x Ice Weak worries me.
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true, but once it gets a few DD's it's unstopabble....
Hariyama would be a good choice
but you'll be missing out on the fun of confusing people... Which is almost like a phazer, cuzz most people switch out if confused
 
Raquan95 said:
I might even think about putting Hariyama over Machamp since I just got swept by a freakin Gallade XD.I can use him as a phazer.
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I don't understand this: That implies that Haryama will fix Gallade and its ability to use Psycho Cut. That said, what are you going to "phaze" before an initial attempt to take the Pokemon out first? For example, why would you Whirlwind something that you could OHKO/2HKO anyway?

Please give me an example of who you would Whirlwind before attacking.
 
I think I might have to endorse that switch to Hariyama. I'm seeing a bit of a SR + Weavile weak, and Hari's thick fat will help with that a lot. It will also help with scarf Heatran, who can give this team trouble if Blissey gets taken out, and Whirlwind will help with stat-up pokes in general.

Regarding the Dragonite vs. Salamence issue, I think Dragonite is the better choice here. It really depends if you want the extra speed and intimidate to help against offensive teams, or the extra defense and (lots of) extra power to help deal with stall, or defensive teams in general. I think you would have more trouble with stall, since a lot of offensive teams tend to burn out against Starmie and/or Gliscor anyway. (I tend to avoid either since I hate SR weak pokes, but in general I get a lot more scared when I see a Dragonite than a Salamence).

Just about every time I post an RMT I bring this up: speed is by far the most important stat in DP. I don't understand why people give their sweepers almost max speed. It's just asking to be outsped in a mirror match. Considering the fact that you use Infernape, I'm sure you know how devastating it can be. The extra 20 EV's can be taken out of special attack, since the damage gained by five extra special attack points (about .5% before a Plot, if the attack isn't super effective) is negligible in comparison with tying/outspeeding your opponent's infernape.

I would just run the standard Ice Beam/SToss/T-Wave/Softboiled Blissey here. I don't think you'll have many problems with status since you have a rest/talker, and Togekiss will walk all over you if you don't have T-Wave (Starmie and Infernape are unfortunately not the best Togekiss counters), not to mention it's a useful move in general for discouraging things like Infernape and Lucario from switching in. The Standard 148 HP / 252 Def EV spread is probably a good idea as well. Blissey is actually decent at taking physical attacks, but she needs a few extra HP to make it happen.

Good Luck; Hope this Helps! --TAY

Also:

Mike Rotch said:
I don't think that being 10-1 on Marriland is a good representation of your Pokémon skills. Marriland is full of noobs. Anyways, I don't see any big weaknesses on this team. Good job.
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Why would you even bother posting this? This has zero value in terms of a team rate, and it just sounds childish. We have enough people purposely avoiding RMT's as it is.
 
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