Project Victim of the Week: ZU Edition

Should I ban Shedninja to the blacklist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 71.4%

  • No

    Votes: 4 28.6%
  • Total voters
    14
  • Poll closed .

:ss/stonjourner:

2HKO's with Heat Crash and +1 Gear Grind never kills.

Stonjourner @ Choice Band
Jolly Nature
Ability: Power Spot
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Stone Edge
- Heat Crash
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock

252 Atk Choice Band Stonjourner Heat Crash (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Eviolite Klang: 264-312 (81.7 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Stonjourner Heat Crash (120 BP) vs. +2 248 HP / 8 Def Eviolite Klang: 134-158 (41.4 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 0 Atk Klang Gear Grind (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Stonjourner: 208-252 (60.9 - 73.9%) -- approx. 2HKO


:klang: Checks :klang:​
User​
Pokemon​
Submission​
:ss/hakamo-o:​
:ss/dusclops:​
:ss/stonjourner:​
Banded Stonjourner​

:klang: Counters :klang:​
User​
Pokemon​
Submission​
:ss/whiscash:​
:ss/pyukumuku:​
:ss/torracat:​
:ss/scraggy:​
:ss/lampent:​
:ss/mudbray:​

Vote for one check and counter

My vote:
Dusclops and Whicash

Voting ends Tuesday, September 22
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Cheezy said:

:ss/stonjourner:

2HKO's with Heat Crash and +1 Gear Grind never kills.

Stonjourner @ Choice Band
Jolly Nature
Ability: Power Spot
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Stone Edge
- Heat Crash
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock

252 Atk Choice Band Stonjourner Heat Crash (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Eviolite Klang: 264-312 (81.7 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Stonjourner Heat Crash (120 BP) vs. +2 248 HP / 8 Def Eviolite Klang: 134-158 (41.4 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 0 Atk Klang Gear Grind (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Stonjourner: 208-252 (60.9 - 73.9%) -- approx. 2HKO


:klang: Checks :klang:​
User​
Pokemon​
Submission​
:ss/hakamo-o:​
:ss/dusclops:​
:ss/stonjourner:​
Banded Stonjourner​

:klang: Counters :klang:​
User​
Pokemon​
Submission​
:ss/whiscash:​
:ss/pyukumuku:​
:ss/torracat:​
:ss/scraggy:​
:ss/lampent:​

Vote for one check and counter

My vote:
Dusclops and Whicash

Voting ends Tuesday, September 22

oh yea i consider dusclops a check and lampent a counter but feel free to tell me if it should change (also has anyone noticed that both specs and scarf lampent checks all the victims so far)​
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also yes I noticed, as I told u that :P
 
Cheezy said:

:ss/stonjourner:

2HKO's with Heat Crash and +1 Gear Grind never kills.

Stonjourner @ Choice Band
Jolly Nature
Ability: Power Spot
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Stone Edge
- Heat Crash
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock

252 Atk Choice Band Stonjourner Heat Crash (120 BP) vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Eviolite Klang: 264-312 (81.7 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Stonjourner Heat Crash (120 BP) vs. +2 248 HP / 8 Def Eviolite Klang: 134-158 (41.4 - 48.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 0 Atk Klang Gear Grind (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Stonjourner: 208-252 (60.9 - 73.9%) -- approx. 2HKO


:klang: Checks :klang:​
User​
Pokemon​
Submission​
:ss/hakamo-o:​
:ss/dusclops:​
:ss/stonjourner:​
Banded Stonjourner​

:klang: Counters :klang:​
User​
Pokemon​
Submission​
:ss/whiscash:​
:ss/pyukumuku:​
:ss/torracat:​
:ss/scraggy:​
:ss/lampent:​

Vote for one check and counter

My vote:
Dusclops and Whicash

Voting ends Tuesday, September 22

oh yea i consider dusclops a check and lampent a counter but feel free to tell me if it should change (also has anyone noticed that both specs and scarf lampent checks all the victims so far)​
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I think dusclops should be a counter
 
Winners

:klang: Checks :klang:
​
User​
Pokemon​
Submission​
:ss/stonjourner:​
Banded Stonjourner​

:klang: Counters :klang:
​
User​
Pokemon​
Submission​
:ss/whiscash:​

Checks
Stonjourner - 3
Dusclops - 2
Hakamo-o - 2

Counters

Whiscash - 3
Mudbray - 2
Scraggy - 1
Torracat -1

Oathkeepre - 1
JonAmon 25 - 2
Ryan207 - 1
OranBerryBlissey10 - 1
T0T0DI!E - 1
risin_glory - 1
Cheezy - 3
k.r.o.b. - 1
missangelic - 2

Week 6

Grapploct
:ss/grapploct:
Grapploct @ Leftovers
Ability: Technician
EVs: 228 HP / 252 Atk / 28 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch
- Sucker Punch / Brutal Swing
- Ice Punch

(28 speed creeps duns, machoke, and mudbray if you didnt know)

Voting starts Saturday, September 26​
 
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Reserving Vespiquen (wow that was a mistake anyway ban Grapp)

:ss/vespiquen:
Vespiquen (F) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 68 Def / 140 SpA / 48 Spe
Bold Nature
- Air Slash
- Toxic Spikes / Toxic
- Roost
- U-turn​

Yeah this is a weird set, but in the words of Jenny Slate, "well I like to have fun". Fast Vespiquen with a bit of SpA investment outcreeps Grapploct and offensively checks it. Grapploct can only OHKO with Ice Punch if it's at +3, meanwhile Vespiquen outspeeds 2HKOs with Air Slash. Sucker can be played around with Roost and you aren't punsihed for mispredicting in case of Ice Punch considering you lose your Flying type. Toxic Spikes put pressure on Grapp even when you're not on the field, though Toxic is a much more immediate timer to set. As a bonus for having a weird set, you creep other Vespi, Machoke, and Mudbray.

140 SpA Vespiquen Air Slash vs. 228 HP / 0 SpD Grapploct: 192-228 (53.6 - 63.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Grapploct Ice Punch vs. 68 HP / 252+ Def Vespiquen: 120-142 (40.2 - 47.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

+1 252+ Atk Grapploct Ice Punch vs. 68 HP / 252+ Def Vespiquen: 180-212 (60.4 - 71.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 252+ Atk Grapploct Ice Punch vs. 68 HP / 252+ Def Vespiquen: 238-282 (79.8 - 94.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+1 252+ Atk Grapploct Ice Punch vs. 68 HP / 252+ Def Vespiquen: 90-106 (30.2 - 35.5%) -- 28.5% chance to 3HKO (ROOST TURN)

+2 252+ Atk Grapploct Ice Punch vs. 68 HP / 252+ Def Vespiquen: 119-141 (39.9 - 47.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (ROOST TURN)

252+ Atk Grapploct Sucker Punch vs. 68 HP / 252+ Def Vespiquen: 56-66 (18.7 - 22.1%) -- possible 5HKO

+1 252+ Atk Grapploct Sucker Punch vs. 68 HP / 252+ Def Vespiquen: 84-99 (28.1 - 33.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
 
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:gourgeist:
Gourgeist-Large @ Leftovers
Ability: Frisk
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Power Whip
- Foul Play
- Will-O-Wisp
- Synthesis

Gourgeist is a counter
Gourgeist can switch in easily
252+ Atk Technician Grapploct Brutal Swing vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gourgeist: 126-150 (37.7 - 44.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Grapploct Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gourgeist: 106-126 (31.7 - 37.7%) -- 90.8% chance to 3HKO

Gourgeist naturally outspeeds it as well so once in it can just click Will-O-Wisp, from then Gourgeist can recover its lost health through Synthesis and then hit Grapploct with Power Whip
0 Atk Gourgeist Power Whip vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Grapploct: 129-153 (36 - 42.7%) -- 93.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Gourgeist Power Whip vs. +1 228 HP / 0 Def Grapploct: 87-103 (24.3 - 28.7%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

Grapploct can't recover and loses 1v1 if it tries to set up verses Gourgeist as Foul Play will always do around 17%.
 
risin_glory said:
:bw/lampent:
Lumiere (Lampent) @ Eviolite
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Substitute
- Energy Ball
- Fire Blast
- Shadow Ball
Lampent is a check as it substitutes, calm mids and finishes I off. Grap can break its substitute in 1 hit only after 2 bulk ups, which is enough time for lampent to beat it up and beat it down, beat it all the way.

CALCS:
252+ SpA Lampent Fire Blast vs. 228 HP / 0 SpD Grapploct: 192-226 (53.6 - 63.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Grapploct Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Lampent: 85-100 (32.4 - 38.1%) -- 97.9% chance to 3HKO​
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brutal swing is in the grapp set too as an option. And it loses hard to it
 
k.r.o.b. said:
brutal swing is in the grapp set too as an option. And it loses hard to it
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I think lamp is still fair game as risin said it is a check not a counter, brutal wing is less common now anyway but I do see the point your making as it is an option on the set list. You can also scout to see if it has brutal swing and if not lamp walls grapp and can set up a force a kill.
 
:sm/shiinotic:
Shiinotic
Bold Nature
Ability: Effect Spore
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def
- Spore
- Strength Sap
- Giga Drain
- Moonblast
this is a check. let no one tell u otherwise.
tanks even a +1 ice punch to just spore it up. like after that it just wins becaue it has ssap and moonblast. end of the chapter.

CALCS:
+1 252+ Atk Grapploct Ice Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Shiinotic: 210-248 (65 - 76.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Shiinotic Moonblast vs. 228 HP / 0 SpD Grapploct: 224-266 (62.5 - 74.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery​
 
:bw/Beheeyem:
Beheeyem @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Analytic
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Serious Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Recover
- Nasty Plot​
This Beheeyem set can switch in on brutal swing, take another brutal swing even after stealth rocks and then ohko back with psychic. Beheeyem isnt perfect though as colbur berry is only a one time use, however beheeyem can still beat grapploct without colbur as long as it doesn't switch into brutal swing and can even take a +1 brutal swing after stealth rocks. Also if beheeyem comes in freely with colbur it can take up to a +4 brutal swing. Moreover if grapploct isnt running brutal swing which most aren't beheeyem has a much easier time and can also take a +6 sucker punch with colbur berry.
252+ Atk Technician Grapploct Brutal Swing vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Colbur Berry Beheeyem: 87-103 (24.6 - 29.1%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO
252+ Atk Technician Grapploct Brutal Swing vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Beheeyem: 174-206 (49.2 - 58.3%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO
+1 252+ Atk Technician Grapploct Brutal Swing vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Beheeyem: 260-308 (73.6 - 87.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+4 252+ Atk Technician Grapploct Brutal Swing vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Colbur Berry Beheeyem: 260-307 (73.6 - 86.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (73.8 - 87.4%)
+6 252+ Atk Grapploct Sucker Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Colbur Berry Beheeyem: 271-319 (76.7 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
8 SpA Analytic Beheeyem Psychic vs. 224 HP / 0 SpD Grapploct: 372-438 (104.2 - 122.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Edit: behee is a check
 
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Solrock @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stealth Rock
- Morning Sun
- Will-O-Wisp
- Psychic​

Solrock is a counter cuz it can come in and burn grapploct as its faster and eventually win 1v1. It threatens it with psychic for a 3hko and has reliable recovery. Psychic over zen ensures dmg and also bypass BU defense boost.


+1 252+ Atk Grapploct Drain Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Solrock: 151-178 (39.4 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 252+ Atk Technician Grapploct Brutal Swing vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Colbur Berry Solrock: 121-143 (31.5 - 37.3%) -- 85.9% chance to 3HKO
+1 252+ Atk Technician burned Grapploct Brutal Swing vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Solrock: 121-143 (31.5 - 37.3%) -- 85.9% chance to 3HKO

0 SpA Solrock Psychic vs. 228 HP / 0 SpD Grapploct: 146-174 (40.7 - 48.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
 
reserving gothitelle
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Gothitelle @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Competitive
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Cosmic Power
- Stored Power
- Rest
- Sleep Talk​

this set serves as a counter to the proposed grapploct set, as you can switch in on any of its moves and react accordingly. goth takes any hit with its defensive spread, so you can switch in with ease vs the octopus. without hazards on your side of the field, you can survive even an unboosted brutal swing into sucker punch at max hp.

you'll need a few boosts to be able to deal damage back, but thats where weakness policy comes in. goth with no cosmic power boosts has a very good chance of surviving even a +3 sucker, but with +2 attack and +2 special attack, goth ohkos with ease. grapploct is also naturally slower, so you are able to fire off strong stored powers, or you can outplay suckers with cosmic power, rest, and sleep talk.

252+ Atk Grapploct Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gothitelle: 47-56 (13.6 - 16.2%) -- possible 7HKO
252+ Atk Grapploct Ice Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gothitelle: 63-75 (18.3 - 21.8%) -- possible 5HKO
252+ Atk Technician Grapploct Brutal Swing vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gothitelle: 150-178 (43.6 - 51.7%) -- 10.9% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Grapploct Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gothitelle: 118-140 (34.3 - 40.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+3 252+ Atk Grapploct Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gothitelle: 292-344 (84.8 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

+2 0 SpA Gothitelle Stored Power (100 BP) vs. 228 HP / 4 SpD Grapploct: 492-582 (137.4 - 162.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO (after Weakness Policy boosts)
 
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:ss/mr-mime:

Gets 2HKO'd by Sucker Punch and OHKO's back with Psychic or Dazzling Gleam.

Mr. Mime @ Choice Specs
Timid Nature
Ability: Filter
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
- Dazzling Gleam
- Psychic
- Trick
- Focus Blast

252 SpA Choice Specs Mr. Mime Psychic vs. 228 HP / 0 SpD Grapploct: 440-522 (122.9 - 145.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Mr. Mime Dazzling Gleam vs. 228 HP / 0 SpD Grapploct: 392-464 (109.4 - 129.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Grapploct Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mr. Mime: 112-132 (50.6 - 59.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO


:grapploct: Checks :grapploct:​
User​
Pokemon​
Submission​
:ss/shiinotic:​
:ss/beheeyem:​
:ss/mr-mime:​
Specs Mr. Mime​

:grapploct: Counters :grapploct:​
User​
Pokemon​
Submission​
:ss/pyukumuku:​
:ss/vespiquen:​
:ss/gourgeist:​
:ss/solrock:​
:ss/gothitelle:​

Vote for one check and counter

My vote: Shiinotic and Pyukumuku


Voting ends Wednesday, September 30​
 
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