Tornadous+ Mega Rayqauza= No weaknesses.
Any normal/flying type will have no weaknesses, even - noctowl, dodrio, staraptor...
Edit: Ninja'd.
So something I'd like to bring up is how exactly Delta Stream works. For Mega Ray, will it still be 2X weak to Ice and resist Electric or will those be considered 1X multipliers now? In other words, does Delta Stream affect the moves or the Pokémon's flying-type?
Oh yeah, forgot to comment on that. Not only will pure Flying and Normal/Flying-types have no weaknesses, what this essentially means for Double/Triple battles is that all Pokemon that are part Flying-type pretty much are now a pure version of their other type plus Flying-type resistances, Ground-type immunity, and Flying STAB. Though I know this doesn't really much to Smogon as they focus on singles, we can't ignore that this could have a major effect on Doubles (which is the official battle style) and Triples. I would say that Mega Rayquaza and Delta Stream is possibly the thing that Flying-types needed to start excelling.
As for how it effects the battle, I would say that it effects the Pokemon. All it's doing is telling the game that this (Flying-type) Pokemon now receives 1x damage to Electric-, Rock-, and Ice-type attacks (and then the game compares this to its other type (if it has one) and makes the appropriate calculations to figure out this Pokemon's type chart).
This is the 4th place I've posted this, but its pretty exciting to me:
The murals of primal Groudon and primal Kyogre shown ages ago both show a strange triangle meteor that looks like a delta symbol followed by streamers. I think its meant to be a highly stylised representation of mega rayquaza, except that this picture has been up on the main site for months. Pretty neat foreshadowing.
Considering Mega Rayquaza's relation the greek letter Delta, which is represented as a triangle, it does seem the case the triangle in the picture does represent Mega Rayquaza.
Speaking of which, that's another thing I forgot to talk about: the meaning of Delta.
Like all Greek letters,
Delta has several meanings though there are two which I think could be the reason why it was picked to be the one that Rayquaza represents:
1. Delta is used to denote changes in quantity. Mega Rayquaza appearance was due to the massive change in power that Groudon and Kyogre was causing. Mega Rayquaza's Ability also has it actually changing the weather, more permanently than Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre's Ability.
2. Delta also is used to denote differences between something. Differences like maybe between land and sea, or Groudon and Kyogre?
Rayquaza was always meant to be keep balance between Groudon and Kyogre, so in order to do so it might need to change things in order to differentiate the two once more.
Would make sense if those 3 are created as equals.
Ah, but Rayquaza is not suppose to be equal to Groudon and Kyogre. It has 10 more power (Groudon and Kyogre has 670 BST) and its Ability stops their Ability. And as I pointed out, they pretty much kept that as Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre probably have a BST of 770 with Mega Rayquaza having 780 (like the Mega Mewtwos) and it's Ability checks their Abilities.
Would completely outclass regular Rayquaza and I honestly don't see that happening.
I think Mega Rayquaza already outclasses normal Rayquaza just from its Ability and Signature Move alone. Life Orb Rayquaza probably hits harder, but normal Rayquaza still has its quad weakness to Ice, loses 1/4th of its HP to SR, and I don't think it'll be given access to Dragon Ascent unless its Mega Evolved (like Rotom or Cosplay Pikachu).
Not to mention Mega Rayquaza would require it's own tier if that happened because otherwise it'll destroy EVERYTHING. Probably be called Mega Ubers.
the lore is incomplete though... Like what happened next? It mega evolved and then realized it actually needed to go Primal? lol XD
It's new ability is the main thing that makes a second form sound unlikely to me. Otherwise I'd still be totally banking on it. There's nothing in the lore saying anything about Primal Devolution being exclusive to the two. Just an incomplete story about how two of them can primal-devolve and one of them can mega-evolve. There's definitely still information they're waiting to fill us in on about Rayquaza. They are not telling us the full story on purpose. Even if it's not "Primal" I still kind of expect we'll find out that this is Mega Rayquaza A and there's also a Mega Rayquaza O or something. Everyone thought Charizard and Mewtwo Ys where THE megas for those two for a good while. And if anything is getting two forms in ORAs it's gonna be Rayquaza.
Indeed the story does sound incomplete, but it going Primal would defeat the purpose of it being the people's savior as it would then be using the power that's tearing the planet apart. My guess is that the rest of the story is probably how it dealt with Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre. Did it just swoop in and beat them or did it discover that even with its power that nothing was being done and needed to find a way to power all of them down? My guess the rest of the story would be about what happened to their ability to Primal Devolve/Mega Evolve, specifically how you can have them Primal Devolve/Mega Evolve again.
Also what would another Mega Rayquaza be like? This Mega Rayquaza seems like the definitive Mega Rayquaza. More faster? More defensive wouldn't make much sense, nor would changing type. Delta Stream also seems like THE upgrade to Air Lock.
Eh.
The issue with "Primal" Dialga is another translation issue. In the original PMD, it was Dark Dialga whowent mad because he lost control of time thanks to Darkrai's mucking around. They didn't want to call it "dark" in the english, so they tweaked the story to explain that dialga had his own primal reversion.
It makes sense where you're going with that thought, though.
Hmm, that does make me wonder what they plan on doing for the Gen IV Legendaries with them pulling all this off for the Weather Trio. Especially for Arceus (maybe give Arceus its Ability it had in Pokemon Congest? Omnipotent, always does Super Effective damage) and Giratina (who has different forms, so does that mean two different Mega Evolutions)? However if they require special "Mega Stones" I demand Arceus's to be called the Mega Plate. :P
Red shiny Rayquaza would look amazing @_@ But I don't think they're changing that. Black shiny Rayquaza was even featured in Conquest, so that seems to be pretty consolidated. And a shiny pokémon changing colors when it mega evolves is actually the exception and not the rule, which makes a non-black Rayquaza even less likely :/
(Now I'm in love with the red Rayquaza in my mind. GF never gets it right when it comes to shiny pokémon...)
Well they have changed a Mega Evo's shiny color before. And there could be some credence to it being red: Mega Rayquaza has no red on it, all the red on normal Rayquaza was replaced with yellow. So maybe that means a Shiny Mega Rayquaza could turn red now that the lining won't blend in being changed to yellow. However I wouldn't hold my breathe, Black Shiny Rayquaza does look cool and yellow and black go great together.
Delta Stream will override Primordial Sea / Desolate Land, but it will not prevent their activation. If Primal Groudon switches into Mega Rayquaza, Desolate Land will override Delta Stream instead.
Actually I think it was made clear Delta Stream cannot be overriden. It wouldn't be a good Air Lock upgrade if it could.
You also bring up an interesting point: maybe AD won't have perfect accuracy. This would greatly hinder its effectiveness, thus making Mega Rayquaza a little less broken.
On the other hand, it was able to use it three times in the NicoNico battle without missing once. That points to a pretty solid accuracy. Did they perform the battle on the spot or is there any way of setting it up so AD won't miss regardless of its accuracy?
I call hax. I'm always cautious with that they show in trailers.
"*FAKE GASP* Are you telling me in order to hype up the game they made the Pokemon look godly powerful so they could sell more copies?"
Yes.
The official site says Dragon Ascent is ONE OF the strongest Flying-type moves. Considering Sky Attack exists, its BP is 140 at most. We know it's a one-turn move that reduces both defenses, so it's almost certainly a 120 BP move.
Ah, you are right. So maybe my Overheat or Superpower idea (except Physical and a Flying-type)?
Superpower has 120 Power and drops Attack and Defense by 1 stage.
Hence why I said "-like". The reason I said Superpower is because its a 100% accurate move with stat drops.