The LC Role Comparison Project
Approved by blarajan
Credit to Theorymon for the OP and idea and Wyvern for making this thread for XYUU.
Have you ever pinpointed a Pokémon on one of your teams, where you find it's role to be extremely useful for your team, but wonder "man, if only there was a similar Pokémon that had more manageable flaws for my team"? If so, this is the thread for you! Believe it or not, there tend to be a lot more Pokémon that can achieve a certain role than you think, but often times, these Pokémon are obscure, or they may be common Pokémon using an unusual set, so the people who are looking for such a "role replacement" may end up never finding it!
This thread aims to fix that problem! The main goal of this thread is to highlight certain underrated Pokémon sets, by comparing them to more common Pokémon who fulfill similar roles, both the advantages and the disadvantages! This way, people who feel like their team could use with some changes can get some tips from this thread, or if they are just making a team with certain roles in mind, they can be exposed to some Pokémon that deserve more usage! Also, don't worry if you can't think of any good examples, commenting on examples already mentioned to incite discussion is fine too!
Here's an example to get you guys started. Feel free to use the same format, since it gets right to the point, but if you feel the need to deviate a bit, that's fine too!
Dwebble vs. Tirtouga as a Shell Smasher
Dwebble @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 5
EVs: 236 Atk / 236 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- X-Scissor
- Stone Edge / Rock Blast
- Earthquake / Knock Off
Tirtouga @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 5
EVs: 180 Spd / 236 Atk / 92 Def
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge
- Aqua Jet / Earthquake
Dwebble's Advantages:
1. More Speed Dwebble reaches 30 Speed after a Shell Smash, while Tirtouga only hits 22. This means that Dwebble, unlike Tirtouga, can outspeed Pokemon such as Choice Scarf Misdreavus and Carvanha after one Speed Boost turn.
2. Choice of Secondary STAB Tirtouga is stuck with Stone (Miss) Edge as a Rock-type STAB move. Dwebble, on the other hand, has the option of using Rock Blast, which has a much higher accuracy and can break through Sashes and Substitutes.
3. More Utility Dwebble can use Knock Off to give up coverage for a larger team supporting role. This also lets it get past other SturdyJuiceSmashers by removing their Berry Juice. Tirtouga can use Knock Off too, but has a much harder time finding a moveslot for it.
Tirtouga's Advantages:
1. Priority Tirtouga gets Aqua Jet to use as a priority move. This means it is not stopped by Sucker Punch users *cough Pawniard cough* and somewhat makes up for its lower Speed.
2. More Bulk Tirtouga's bulk is better than Dwebble's, so it is more easily capabel of surviving hits without calling on Sturdy or the Berry Juice. It also isn't weak to Stealth Rock, although since it still needs Sturdy, it shouldn't be switching into rocks anyway.
3. Better Defensive Typing Tirtouga, unlike Dwebble, resists Flying thanks to its secondary typing, so it can deal with birdspam from Pokemon such as Fletchling, Doduo, and Tailow more easily.
Role Comparison Archive:
Dwebble vs. Tirtouga as a Shell Smasher (this post)
Lickitung vs. Spritzee vs. Drowzee as Bulky Wish Passers
Trubbish vs. Munchlax vs. Magnemite as Recycle Berry Juice Users
Timburr vs. Mienfoo vs. Croagunk vs. Scraggy as Bulky Fighting-Types
Vullaby vs. Archen as Defoggers
Cottonee vs. Spritzee as Supporting Fairy-Types
Approved by blarajan
Credit to Theorymon for the OP and idea and Wyvern for making this thread for XYUU.
Have you ever pinpointed a Pokémon on one of your teams, where you find it's role to be extremely useful for your team, but wonder "man, if only there was a similar Pokémon that had more manageable flaws for my team"? If so, this is the thread for you! Believe it or not, there tend to be a lot more Pokémon that can achieve a certain role than you think, but often times, these Pokémon are obscure, or they may be common Pokémon using an unusual set, so the people who are looking for such a "role replacement" may end up never finding it!
This thread aims to fix that problem! The main goal of this thread is to highlight certain underrated Pokémon sets, by comparing them to more common Pokémon who fulfill similar roles, both the advantages and the disadvantages! This way, people who feel like their team could use with some changes can get some tips from this thread, or if they are just making a team with certain roles in mind, they can be exposed to some Pokémon that deserve more usage! Also, don't worry if you can't think of any good examples, commenting on examples already mentioned to incite discussion is fine too!
Here's an example to get you guys started. Feel free to use the same format, since it gets right to the point, but if you feel the need to deviate a bit, that's fine too!
Dwebble vs. Tirtouga as a Shell Smasher
Dwebble @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 5
EVs: 236 Atk / 236 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- X-Scissor
- Stone Edge / Rock Blast
- Earthquake / Knock Off
Tirtouga @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 5
EVs: 180 Spd / 236 Atk / 92 Def
Adamant Nature
- Shell Smash
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge
- Aqua Jet / Earthquake
Dwebble's Advantages:
1. More Speed Dwebble reaches 30 Speed after a Shell Smash, while Tirtouga only hits 22. This means that Dwebble, unlike Tirtouga, can outspeed Pokemon such as Choice Scarf Misdreavus and Carvanha after one Speed Boost turn.
2. Choice of Secondary STAB Tirtouga is stuck with Stone (Miss) Edge as a Rock-type STAB move. Dwebble, on the other hand, has the option of using Rock Blast, which has a much higher accuracy and can break through Sashes and Substitutes.
3. More Utility Dwebble can use Knock Off to give up coverage for a larger team supporting role. This also lets it get past other SturdyJuiceSmashers by removing their Berry Juice. Tirtouga can use Knock Off too, but has a much harder time finding a moveslot for it.
Tirtouga's Advantages:
1. Priority Tirtouga gets Aqua Jet to use as a priority move. This means it is not stopped by Sucker Punch users *cough Pawniard cough* and somewhat makes up for its lower Speed.
2. More Bulk Tirtouga's bulk is better than Dwebble's, so it is more easily capabel of surviving hits without calling on Sturdy or the Berry Juice. It also isn't weak to Stealth Rock, although since it still needs Sturdy, it shouldn't be switching into rocks anyway.
3. Better Defensive Typing Tirtouga, unlike Dwebble, resists Flying thanks to its secondary typing, so it can deal with birdspam from Pokemon such as Fletchling, Doduo, and Tailow more easily.
Role Comparison Archive:
Dwebble vs. Tirtouga as a Shell Smasher (this post)
Lickitung vs. Spritzee vs. Drowzee as Bulky Wish Passers
Trubbish vs. Munchlax vs. Magnemite as Recycle Berry Juice Users
Timburr vs. Mienfoo vs. Croagunk vs. Scraggy as Bulky Fighting-Types
Vullaby vs. Archen as Defoggers
Cottonee vs. Spritzee as Supporting Fairy-Types
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