Breeding Perfect Pokemon in Pokemon X&Y

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Hex Decimus:
With a Power Item you are guaranteed one stat to be passed down, but then Destiny Knot will only pass down 4 random IVs in stead of 5.

Because of this Couple B and D are equally good, but Couple B has the benefit of letting you pass down natures with everstone. The chance of a 6x31 offspring with those parents is 1/32.
The next best is couple C, since then you only need to be lucky and have 4 random 31 IV-stats be passed down, in stead of 5 which is the case with couple A.
In totalt, from best to worst with regards to only IVs:
B=D > C > A
 
Hex Decimus said:
I'm extremely OCD and I have to breed 6-IV Pokemon instead of 5-IV.
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For pure special attackers (ones who don't use physical attacks), this is actually undesirable. The lower your attack stat, the lower damage you take from Confusion, and the lower damage Foul Play will inflict when used against you. For Physical attackers (ones who don't use special attacks), its simply unnecessary, since a 5x-IV'd Pokemon is considered perfect for all intents and purposes.

That said, getting a pure 31/0/31/31/31/31 Pokemon still invokes the 1/32 chance.

Also for perfect Trick Room spreads, 31/x/31/x/31/0 is ideal

Hex Decimus said:
Am I misunderstanding how the breeding mechanics works? Is the above scenario actually possible, and thus a Power Item increases your chances of getting a 6-IV Pokemon?
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Besides Destiny Knot, NOTHING can increase the chances of getting a 6-IV Pokemon other than two parents with 6 desirable IVs to begin with. It will still come down to the sixth non-inherited stat being a 1/32 chance of coming up perfect.

For fun, I calculated the odds of getting a 6-IV'd (1/32 chance) Female Starter Pokemon (1/8 chance) with its Hidden Ability (3/5 chance), by far the most difficult breed of Pokemon to get, assuming both parents are 6-IV'd to begin with:
(1/32) * (3/5) * (1/8) = 3/1280 ~ 0.234375%
 
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Hex Decimus said:
Am I misunderstanding how the breeding mechanics works? Is the above scenario actually possible, and thus a Power Item increases your chances of getting a 6-IV Pokemon?
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It is not possible to outright breed Pokemon with no stat impurities. You have to be lucky against the RNG. The absolute most you can control in breeding is 5 of the 6 IV's of a Pokemon, even assuming you have two parents with flawless IV's. There will always be the 6th stat, always chosen at random, and it's value is given a random number.

Having parents hold a Power Item provides no other benefit to nearly perfect, or flawless parents unless you just want that specific stat to be passed down. The Power item also uses up one of the 5 values you can control, and adding a Destiny knot makes it so the other 4 random stats are guarantees to be between the two parents, always leaving 1 value up to fate.

But if anything, A female 6 IV Pokemon is very good for breeding if making more of that species. That way, if you want a different nature, just exchange the male with another of a different nature and give it an everstone.


El_Sargento said:
I hatched a 31/31/31/31/31/31 Whismur (Scrappy)... but Female (useless for crossbredding) and Hasty...

How usable is a Hasty one?
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Use it as a parent. Have a male breed with it that has the proper nature, and also have the male hold an everstone. Assuming both parents have proper IV's you will have a decent chance of getting hatched pokemon with acceptable IV's, maybe to be used at a new parent, and guaranteed the proper nature.
 
I am almost getting the hang of this but i want to verify something about passing IV
I curently have a male larvesta (destiny knot) with 31/31/31/31/31/x iv
And breeding with a female larvesta (everstone) with 31/31/x/31/31/x
Is it much faster to keep breeding these two to get a 31/31/31/31/31/31?
Or will it come to with only those 3-5 perfect iv? Cuz i already bred like about 40+ eggs i keep only getting 4 perfect iv instead of a 5 perfect or 6perfect iv
 
Sprocket said:
For pure special attackers (ones who don't use physical attacks), this is actually undesirable. The lower your attack stat, the lower damage you take from Confusion, and the lower damage Foul Play will inflict when used against you. For Physical attackers (ones who don't use special attacks), its simply unnecessary, since a 5x-IV'd Pokemon is considered perfect for all intents and purposes.

That said, getting a pure 31/0/31/31/31/31 Pokemon still invokes the 1/32 chance.

Also for perfect Trick Room spreads, 31/x/31/x/31/0 is ideal
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Wow, I'm really grateful for that information about Confusion and Foul Play. I've been looking for a reason to stop torturing myself with getting 6 IV's in everything and that's pretty much it.

Of course, some builds should have 6-IV's, but only a few.

6 IV Pokemon do provide excellent breeding advantages. For example, I have a 6 IV male Swirlix, which means I can produce 5-IV Pokemon in the Fairy Egg group with hardly any effort at all.

I'm pretty close to my original plan of having at least one 6-IV male in each egg group, which means my cartridge will be a super-efficient breeding factory.
 
El_Sargento said:
I hatched a 31/31/31/31/31/31 Whismur (Scrappy)... but Female (useless for crossbredding) and Hasty...

How usable is a Hasty one?
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VaxtinTheWolf said:
Use it as a parent. Have a male breed with it that has the proper nature, and also have the male hold an everstone. Assuming both parents have proper IV's you will have a decent chance of getting hatched pokemon with acceptable IV's, maybe to be used at a new parent, and guaranteed the proper nature.
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I mean competitively :p
 
phoenragon said:
Ok, IDK what's going on here. I have a Male and Female Froakie breeding pair, both have hidden ability, and I'm getting quite a few normal ability hatchlings. Many more than I should be I think. I wasn't getting this many with a Male Froakie/Ditto breeding pair. My two Froakies are holding Destiny Knot and Everstone, if that means anything. Any thoughts guys?
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VaxtinTheWolf said:
Don't quote me, as this is just things I've read here and there, but I do not think you can do that. Males only pass hidden abilities with ditto. The game may be choosing the male as the ability passer.

Female pokemon with hidden ability and male with normal ability should pass it down.
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I've been able to hatch both abilities with the Froakie HA pair though. It seems to be about 50/50 where with the HAMale/Ditto pair it was a lot less frequent =/. I'm going to try evolving the Froakie HA pair and see if that fixes it. My HAMale/Ditto pair was actually with a Frogadier, now that I think about it, so MAYBE that will help my chances?

EDIT: Rereading some of the info in the thread and found this:
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If you have a Hidden Ability(HA) Male with a Ditto, it passes on the HA.
If you have a HA Female with a Ditto it passes on HA
If you have a HA Female with Normal male it passes on HA.
if you have a HA Male with Normal Female it DOES NOT pass on HA.
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I actually have a few Torrent Males with 5IVs thanks to this most recent HA pair, so I will definitely be trying this.
 
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phoenragon said:
I've been able to hatch both abilities with the Froakie HA pair though. It seems to be about 50/50 where with the HAMale/Ditto pair it was a lot less frequent =/. I'm going to try evolving the Froakie HA pair and see if that fixes it. My HAMale/Ditto pair was actually with a Frogadier, now that I think about it, so MAYBE that will help my chances?
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I know very little about breeding for Hidden Abilities. Personally, I never had a competitive team in Black and White series. I used Simulators at the time.
 
phoenragon said:
I've been able to hatch both abilities with the Froakie HA pair though. It seems to be about 50/50 where with the HAMale/Ditto pair it was a lot less frequent =/. I'm going to try evolving the Froakie HA pair and see if that fixes it. My HAMale/Ditto pair was actually with a Frogadier, now that I think about it, so MAYBE that will help my chances?
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Evolving them doesn't chance the probability at all. If two non-ditto pkmn are breeding and the female has the HA, the offsprings have a 60% chance of getting the HA. I think it's the same probability with a HA pkmn and Ditto, but I haven't tested Ditto myself.
 
EIFF said:
Evolving them doesn't chance the probability at all. If two non-ditto pkmn are breeding and the female has the HA, the offsprings have a 60% chance of getting the HA. I think it's the same probability with a HA pkmn and Ditto, but I haven't tested Ditto myself.
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I think I've heard 80% for the female passing down her ability, but what I'm seeing here lately seems to confirm 60%.

After finding RaiKai's info on it (edited in my post above) I'll definitely be switching to one of my 5IV Torrent Males and trying that out. Hopefully it will be an improvement

I don't want to go back to my ditto if I don't have to, but he does have 4IVs (31/31/31/31/x/x). I need to read up on it more, I guess. Not sure if the 1 extra IV is worth hatching all these Torrent Froakie -_-
 
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so if i breed a male protean frogadier with a timid ditto holding an everstone would i get a protean frogadier with the HA and timid???
 
phoenragon said:
I think I've heard 80% for the female passing down her ability, but what I'm seeing here lately seems to confirm 60%.
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To make things clear:
Female with HA --> 60 % chance of offspring having HA
Female with non-hidden ability --> 80 % chance of offspring having females ability
 
phoenragon said:
Yes, though you may still get a Torrent one or two. I've actually been breeding Timid ones as well ^_^
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Niceee :) i just need that ditto so i can start breeding since i been messing around with my pokes and havent finished the whole story yet
 
So i finally got my shiny tyrunt after more then 1800 eggs and the iv judge said its stats are relativly superior he then mentioned that the hp, attack, special attack, and speed simply cant be beat does this mean that all those stats are 31 even though he did not say the stats were outstanding in the beginning?
 
Davidsshinyhunt said:
So i finally got my shiny tyrunt after more then 1800 eggs and the iv judge said its stats are relativly superior he then mentioned that the hp, attack, special attack, and speed simply cant be beat does this mean that all those stats are 31 even though he did not say the stats were outstanding in the beginning?
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Yes, they are 31. The comment about superior/outstanding has to do with the AVERAGE of all IVs. I think an average over 25 gives outstanding.
 
Davidsshinyhunt said:
So i finally got my shiny tyrunt after more then 1800 eggs and the iv judge said its stats are relativly superior he then mentioned that the hp, attack, special attack, and speed simply cant be beat does this mean that all those stats are 31 even though he did not say the stats were outstanding in the beginning?
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The introductory message before he lists off the Pokemon's highests stats convey the Pokemon's overall I total. If you have a very high IV total (I think it was like 155+ in Gen V?) he'll tell you the Pokemon's stats are outstanding.
 
EIFF said:
Grats with the shiny :) Did you use the Masuda Method?
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Yes i did. I also used a destiny knot and everstone to help me get some decent stats. It was my first time using a destiny knot and 3rd time using an everstone i had used everstones in black and white but the chances of getting the nature i wanted where only 50%
 
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