Hi Zoap thanks for all your help sorry for delay in replying i've been in work all day in uk. Cheers for working out the journal flips correctly for me! I just had a quick try and can't believe hit seed at second time of asking. Anyway thought must have been a mistake and chased down roamers. Second roamer i found was the Zapdos i was after and after checking japanese translation and using metalkids iv calc i've actually caught my hp ice zapdos. If i had a way of cloning it i'd give you a copy but i'm guessing you have probably got a version anyway. So thanks once again i can use it at vgc12 in birmingham uk in a few weeks possibly if i can get there