"always surviving"
You mean surviving 7/8ths of the time. (Cross Chop has HCR)
You want to get technical and shoot yourself in the foot?
Cross Chop has 80% accuracy.
"always surviving"
You mean surviving 7/8ths of the time. (Cross Chop has HCR)
That's not relevant to the discussion. Pokémon A being better / worse at X'ing that Pokémon B is at Y'ing is not important.
>Irrelevant statements that are a waste of my time
>Thinking that it is always possible to set up Stealth Rock
Nidoqueen kind of sucks.Code:| 135 | Nidoqueen | 5342 | 0.50
Okay, let's make a team of Camerupt / Quagsire / Vaporeon / Mantine / Ludicolo / Walrein. Looks good.
Okay, lemme try to piece together this logic.
>Implying that performance against a select few Pokémon in another tier is the same as the performance in another tier
>Implying Perish Song works very well on Politoed without any evidence
Surprise value is trivial in most cases.
Offensive moves sure help. Gimmicks like Copycat, Me First, and Mimic are nice, but in the long run, it's most reliable moves that work the best.
Grumpig is great at countering Fire-types, but the omnipresent Skuntank tears it apart. I dunno, YMMV.
I'm wondering if a Rindo Berry could work on Quagsire. Switch into anything that's not HP Grass, OHKO with Earthquake. Lack of Leftovers recovery might give it away, though.And yeah, Quagsire is cool as hell.
The word "imply" means you did not say "very well".>Implying I said "very well"
You can't depend on gimmicks. I'd rather not get into the gimmicks vs. reliable argument, since it's subjective in like fifty ways.It's, however, a valid tactic that can fuck up someone's pokemon and win a match for you, specially when you switch a pokemon that uses special attacks for physical moves.
Hypnosis is the definition of unreliable. Haze is only really useful against Nasty Plot Ninetales and Calm Mind Espeon. Counter is unreliable, since it relies on your opponent not knowing you have it, as its usefulness declines if he or she is aware. I can see it being kind of useful against Scarf Primape, but his Close Combat does 61%-72%, so there's a good chance you won't have a chance to Counter it. You do much better against Skuntank, though. Encore is great.Yeah, but Politoed's not all about gimmicks.
Encore, Haze, Hypnosis, Counter are some moves that politoed can use, are not offensive and aren't gimmicky (because you can pull strategies with them easily)
Lures aren't as reliable as standard Pokémon. Even you base a team around a lure or two, it still might not be optimal.Here comes the creativity.
Using Grumpig as lure can be crucial to win a match.
In any case, it's the one of the best options you have against fire types (unless it's some kind of calm mind entei or whatever)
I'm too tired to reply to your off-topic replies, semantics, and general ignorance, so I'll just focus on the Magmortar-relevant parts.
The word "imply" means you did not say "very well".
You can't depend on gimmicks. I'd rather not get into the gimmicks vs. reliable argument, since it's subjective in like fifty ways.
Hypnosis is the definition of unreliable. Haze is only really useful against Nasty Plot Ninetales and Calm Mind Espeon. Counter is unreliable, since it relies on your opponent not knowing you have it, as its usefulness declines if he or she is aware. I can see it being kind of useful against Scarf Primape, but his Close Combat does 61%-72%, so there's a good chance you won't have a chance to Counter it. You do much better against Skuntank, though. Encore is great.
Lures aren't as reliable as standard Pokémon. Even you base a team around a lure or two, it still might not be optimal.
Also, I'm not sure what you're luring and why.
we need more quick feet toxic orb BD ursaring and bulk up floatzel around here.
Belly Drum + Toxic Orb is just really short lived; even if you don't take entry hazards into account there's still Ursaring taking damage while it Drums; you likely won't take out more than one or two Pokemon before Usaring. It's also ultra vulnerable to priority.
Bulk Up Ursaring doesn't sound bad, since it's defenses are actually quite good. The only problem is coverage, though. He might be able to pull off a Curselax or something like that.
BU/Rest/STalk/Facade with HP Grass Skuntank?
lol. Also, gimmicks are not to be overused.Anyways, gimmicks are not to be undertimated.
Debatable. Ask Gengar.-Hypnosis may be unreliable, but it effect it's good enough to be an option that works.
Sucks, doesn't it? Yes.-That's exactly what haze does, huh?
So your opponents stop attacking you. Wow, I had no idea such a move existed!-I find counter and mirror coat like very reliable moves; if the foe knows you have it it will have some fear using physical move so those 2 moves are useful even without the surprise value.
And here I thought we were countering Magmortar.Btw, I don't know exactly what kind of horrible EVs are you using; by a quick sight I can tell it's 252 HP/0 Defense assuming adamant primeape.
Okay.Primeape's CC hurts, but it hurts almost anything since it has very high base power, STAB, good attack, it's not resisted and politoed it's not there for that. Quagsire is better for that (of course, quagsire takes a bunch from any decent special move)
I'm not sure what you're luring and why.Luring Skuntank to send out a counter and win... how you guys call it?
"momento"? "momentum"?
I gave the example for a switch-in, not exactly a counter. And I doubt anything can really switch in safely to anything with stealth rock and spikes on the ground. Also, there's not a big amount of levitating / fliers in NU, and you always could rapid spin them (though I understand that's not exactly always easy :P).The problem with that is every one runs Earthquake for that reason. Flareon is also grounded (Spikes), and Stealth Rocks weak.
Well I wouldn't say "no reason", Cradily, Regigigas, Regice and several other Pokemon are pretty good reasons to use it. Though I forgot how commonly they are used, but yeah I suppose EQ is probably the more commonly used move on Magmortar.No self-respecting Magmortar runs Cross Chop - with no Blissey/Chansey, there's no reason to run it over Earthquake or Focus Blast.
Cradily, Regigigas, Regice
Yeah I take Regice and Regigigas back, Fire Blast will most of the time always do more damage to them. However, not all Magmortar's carry Focus Blast especially because of the accuracy, though granted, Cross Chop isn't exactly a Shock Wave accurate either.Cradily is probably the only reason to run Cross Chop out of that list. Regigigas takes a stack from Focus Blast (And Probably Fire Blast anyway), and there's no point using Cross Chop against Regice when it's weak to your STAB anyway.