Swampert (Choice scarf)

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http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/swampert

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name: Scarfpert
move 1: Waterfall/Aqua Tail
move 2: Ice punch
move 3: Earthquake
move 4: Stone Edge
item: Choice scarf
nature: Jolly
evs: 4 hp/252atk/252spe

Why this set deserves to be on site:
This set is great for revenge killing. It outspeeds Dragonite after a single dragon dance and will ohko it with ice punch after stealth rock damage (non bulky will be a ohko). Earthquake will destroy any Heatran not holding a shuca berry. Both waterfall and earthquake ohko any Infernape. A -1 ice punch will still 2hko salamence while living an outrage. Stone edge will 2hko any togekiss. Being immune to thunderwave is a big help to swampert in its ability to revenge kill.

Teemates/counters:
This set works well with and gets walled by scizor. Scizor can absorb grass attacks aimed at swampert but an opposing will take all momentum this swampert has and throw it out the window. Salamence/Dragonite also work well because the share good synergy. Scizor can lure in a fire attack and this swampert will most likely be able to take the hit very well and get a hit off itself.

Additional comments:
You could use brick break/hammer arm/superpower to hit tyranitar for a 2hko every time.(you would probobly switch after using it so hammer arm is still viable.) superpower will always ohko a standard tyranitar.
 
While it might get a kill once in a blue moon due to novelty, the set becomes very easy to switch into after one attack has been used and the set is revealed. The set hits softer than scarfTar, doesn't setup sandstorm, and doesn't have pursuit to checkmate opponents.
It's completely stopped by any defensive water and any most steels and becomes setup bait for Mence, Dnite, and Gyara.

Plus the comments aren't up to standards.
 
I wouldn't use outrage.
Stone edge takes out Dragonite well, and is a exallent Gyara counter.
Ice Punch already takes out Flygon and Dragonite (x4 weak)
 
Earthquake will destro and Heatran not holding a shuca berry
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Spelling and incomplete comments like this. Also, you don't elaborate on your teammates. Not to mention that the set isn't that good.

Swampert is a subpar choice scarfer, with low power moves and poor coverage on its STABs. Low base speed doesn't help, either. Unlike pokemon like Tyranitar or Heatran, it doesn't have the high BP moves and base stats to threaten opponents. Already scarfTar has a bunch of easy switch-ins, but this is magnified even more when EQ is resisted by or doesn't affect much of OU and Waterfall is an invitation for every dragon dancer in the tier to come in and setup. Defensive Celebi takes 30% max from Ice Punch, Rotom-A takes 33% max. Essentially, you're lacking power and coverage, while being too slow to compete with most any threat after a boost.
 
You know, I've seen this set do okay, but I usually see this set be complete dead weight. If your opponent is smart, they'll figure out what's up immediately and then this set isn't very good anymore. I'm kinda torn on it and would like to hear the opinions of the other OU QC members before making my decision, but I'm leaning towards no. Also, take Outrage off of there.
 
I feel like it would be better to use Choice Band. I mean, how much damage does it do? I feel like you lose a lot of power that you want for a somewhat gimmicky moveset. It loses out on a lot of vital OHKO's by not using a Choice Band and does less damage to stuff it could 2HKO with CB. Not to mention that Swampert in and of itself is fairly easy to play around, so you should probably want to do as much damage as you possibly can.

Just my thoughts on the set. Also yeah, fix that spelling error, and I feel like its uneccessary to say it kills Heatran with an Earthquake, almost every ground type attack does that anyway, but whatever.
 
With the Scarf Set, I see it being a bit gimmicky, I also see it being out classed by Gyarados. Gyarados with Scarf, would have more opportunities to switch in, and its Ice Fang, would be of equivalent power to Ice punch, while its Waterfall/Aqua Tail would be more powerful, Outrage would be to. Also with a jolly nature, it would be able to outspeed all Dragonite, after a dragon dance, not just the ones with barely any speed EVS..
 
IMO, this set is like a bad mix of ScarfTar and ScarfMie (That's right, ScarfMie). Scarftar fires off those powerful Stone Edges you kinda were hoping for and aren't getting, can utilize Earthquake, and also as mentioned sets up Sandstorm and can use Pursuit. Scarfmie not only outspeeds Dragonite after a DD, but also Salamence. It can then use Ice Beam and Hydro Pump for more damage. So, IMO, I don't think this set is killing much CONSISTENTLY, its rather just very situational. And then again, Rattata is situational.
 
Dr. Reid said:
IMO, this set is like a bad mix of ScarfTar and ScarfMie (That's right, ScarfMie). Scarftar fires off those powerful Stone Edges you kinda were hoping for and aren't getting, can utilize Earthquake, and also as mentioned sets up Sandstorm and can use Pursuit. Scarfmie not only outspeeds Dragonite after a DD, but also Salamence. It can then use Ice Beam and Hydro Pump for more damage. So, IMO, I don't think this set is killing much CONSISTENTLY, its rather just very situational. And then again, Rattata is situational.
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You hit the nail on the head. Its SUPPOSED to be situational. Its supposed to get a ko by catching the opponent off guard, then switching out, and maybe doing it again later in the match.
 
Yeah no. There just... aren't words for this.

EDIT: Since the original post here seemed kinda douchey, let me elaborate somewhat on what other "good" slow scarfers have in common: Tyranitar, Metagross, and Scizor:

Tyranitar: 134 Attack, Excellent bulk, STAB Pursuit, solid Stone Edge, and Superpower, 61 Base Speed.
Metagross: 135 Attack, excellent bulk, Pursuit, STAB Meteor Mash, Pursuit, Explosion, Stealth Rock Resistance, 70 Base Speed.
Scizor: 130 Attack, solid bulk, Technician Pursuit, STAB U-turn (scarf U-turn is awesome), Superpower, 65 Base Speed.

What Swampert has:

110 Attack- Not nearly powerful enough, especially when you are forced to run Jolly, and you have to choose between solid coverage (Waterfall) or actually hurting things (Earthquake).
Decent typing- While Water/Ground may only have one weakness, it also doesn't have a lot of crucial resistances, and 100/90/90 defenses are hard pressed to switch into attacks over and over when it's trying to switch into stuff like Heatran's Fire Blast or Tyranitar's Stone Edge, which hurt like hell even resisted.
Decent bulk- Sure, 100/90/90 is ok, but once again, without investment it won't get you far, especially compared to stuff like Tyranitar's 100/110/(154) or Metagross' 80/130/90 WITH A STEEL TYPING.
60 Base Speed- Seriously, I cannot stress this enough. 60 base Speed is why Magnezone is a lame scarfer. It hits 360 Speed, which is literally one point of Speed slower than Starmie and Azelf. This is a huge, HUGE deal. All three of the above Pokemon can switch into Starmie and 100% kill it dead. What can this do? Switch in, be immune to Thunderbolt, and then fail to KO because it's weaksauce or get raped by Hydro Pump or Grass Knot? No thanks.

At the end of the day, this is just a dumb gimmick that will catch opponents off guard maybe once or twice, but doesn't serve ANY purpose once the jig is up. End of story.
 
Not this again. :Facepalm:. Choice Scarf Swampert is just a gimmicky surprise IMO. Nothing more than that.
 
In my experience, there are three qualities that can make an effective Choice Scarf user:

  • Trick;
  • U-turn;
  • an extremely high attacking stat (130+)

Compare it the analyses on-site, and with effective Scarfers you've seen in practice. Every Choice Scarf user has at least one of these three qualities, and many have more than one.

Swampert is not an effective Choice Scarf user because it can't scout, can't KO threats effectively, and can't Trick the many things that can stop it.

On top of that, I can't think of any reason to use this over Starmie. Your average Life Orb Starmie is one Speed point faster than this Swampert is, and hits much harder, without the problem of become set-up bait for everything. Your reasoning for this set describes what I'm talking about:

Elgoo said:
Why this set deserves to be on site:
This set is great for revenge killing. It outspeeds Dragonite after a single dragon dance and will ohko it with ice punch after stealth rock damage (non bulky will be a ohko). Earthquake will destroy any Heatran not holding a shuca berry. Both waterfall and earthquake ohko any Infernape. A -1 ice punch will still 2hko salamence while living an outrage. Stone edge will 2hko any togekiss. Being immune to thunderwave is a big help to swampert in its ability to revenge kill.
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There is literally nothing there that Starmie can't do better than this Swampert, meaning that, according to your information, there is no reason to use this set. We don't need a Choice Scarf set for every single analysis. Some Pokemon just aren't meant for the job.
 
I believe the item Choice Scarf on Swampert is a useless toy at the end of the day, and the reasons outlined by Seven Deadly Sins convinced me even more. I've play-tested myself this set, and really the outcomes weren't that satisfactory. I'm moving this thread to the Locked analysis sub-forum, as it receives a no from me as well and that makes three.
 
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