sv ou don't bring up politics in the meta discussion thread challenge (impossible)
yeah I know all of this, I'm saying that with the current smogon culture, your abstain is not going to sound like a protest, its gonna sound like youre just grinding for tc badge. which i really dont think its bad and the people getting mad at it on the abstain thread made 2 months ago were funny to watch lol. But if you want abstain back for any form of protest, theres better ways to signify that
to the extent that any collective decision-making technically counts as "politics", sure, i guess? but i didn't bring up politics on a nation-state level at all, that was injected into the conversation by someone else. please calm down
the difference is fairly easy to spot in our current system because we have discussion threads where someone can say "i'm not voting because [reason]" and air out their grievances or doubts in a much more specific and productive way than grinding on ladder (and potentially delaying or ending the suspect runs of other, actually invested people) just to flush their vote down the toilet
abstain being removed is honestly good i think; it literally doesnt do anything of value except allowing impartial people (the centrists of smogon, if you will) to get tier contributor. have opinions, damnit!!!
love me some hoopa unbound love, this sets looks so fun
exactly, the badge is called "tiering contributor", not "ladder hero". it's only logical that to get it you have to actually contribute to tiering, not just get the reqs and sit there like a lemon watching tiering pass you by. abstain votes contribute nothing
We kind of got this with Kyurem when it was banned for two weeks before respawning. It is interesting for sure
Ban jokes, ban humour, but also this is a videogame, not serious
There is nothing more dichotomic than a ban/do not ban vote in SVOU. Either the mon deserves to get banned or it doesn't, and if you think "neither side is the correct outcome" then you don't actually believe there is a correct outcome. But then you don't believe in the principle of excluded middle so go argue with logicians instead.
1. I disagree here because if the vote was truly "neutral" they simply would not elect to make a vote. Why are those "swing" votes unrepresentative of the result for the community? On top of this, it's fairly common for results to be decided before every single vote is cast (even if the margin is on-the-line), so it's not frequent that the outcome comes down to someone confirming Reqs but then waiting to the point of being a deciding vote. Abstain votes either devalue the votes actually taking a side (by reducing their proportional presence) or end up no different than late-but-for-contributor Votes that come after the result is foregone.
then it would be more prudent for those people who want to remain neutral to just not get reqs at all! it's literally the easiest thing in the world to just not do anything. why go so far out of your way to not affect the result? just say in the suspect thread that you're not voting if you want everyone to know how cool you are for not caring about things. if you want to be "qualified" on the surveys (to the extent that we even have those anymore), just get good at tours. or hit top 200 or whatever on ladder, that's not even hard, i could probably do it. if you want a badge, get it by actually doing something useful—be creative and draw things, or write analyses, or research, or maintain some resource or other, or larp on smogcord, or be a high-quality poster in these threads instead of this, or—and you might wanna sit down for this one—ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE TIERING PROCESS. if you can't do anything useful, maybe accept that you shouldn't have a badge or clout or whatever it is you're after
I mean that touching topics like politics usually derail the conversation outside of SVOU. Most of the time in a non productive way. I don’t think we have to exaggerate it and I also don’t think I’m saying something crazy
Ultimately if you are voting, you are on-the-hook for what influence your vote has on the outcome, no asterisks or conditions. If you cast a vote just for clout, you're influencing the result and left to responsibility for it whether you care about it or just want the badge/clout/qualified vote. Another point there is that the result is not choosing 1 of several NEW outcomes, it either is change or don't change, so if you're "unsure" at the end, your vote is effectively for a "same" status because you aren't convinced to commit to changing he Status Quo (which is a valid way to feel, but doesn't warrant introducing an "abstain" voting option since it represents next to nothing different in spirit or practice).
first off, yes i did hate yanmega in ru, fuck yanmega, bullshit ass uncompetitive flinchbug. second off, i do care about other tiers and i've got investment in them outside of suspects, thank you very much, there are plenty of people from the discords of natdex and lower tiers who can attest to that. i might not post in every thread like i do in this one, but that doesn't mean i care any less about those tiers. i've explained my positions in the suspect threads of every suspect i've done (except for the hoopa-u one, i forgot). when i'm not actually invested in a suspect—like, for example, meloetta's recent one in pu—i just don't do it. don't project your clout-chasing onto me. if i wanted clout i'd already have it
