Hmm, let's see, a mon with 106/130/154 defenses that also has 90 attacking stats and is as fast as waterpon at base 110. Nope, can't see how this will be broken.
Sure, it's recovery is worse now, but it's still usable. Reminder, it will be boosting up its defenses constantly so you will be forced to recover less and less when you get into position. With multiscale, it can take any hit, and that is usually enough to get a boost off and start sweeping. Remember dragonite? The mon that can soft-check everything due to multiscale? Imagine that, but ten times more bulky and with an amazing speed stat.
Sure, it lost thunder wave and toxic, but that doesn't mean anything when it has such a diverese movepool and it really only needs boosting move, 2 attacks and recover.
Sure, psychic/flying isn't a good defensive typing, but it does have some useful applications. It resists grass, which isn't really applicable besides maybe switching in on rillaboom and waterpon. It quad resists fighting, which means zama and tusk are free entry, crunch from zama does 44% max, so lugia can recover off the damage easily, and tusk ice spinner 47% max, which also can be recovered off. This also ignores multiscale, so they are doing half that damage. It is immune to ground, which means tusk is just screwed and the other various ground types are also weak to it (ting lu ain't doing much to it). It also resists psychic, which doesn't mean much but glowking's future sight doesn't do much damage. It's not the best type, but it has it's advantage.
Sure, it is suspectable to status, but so are most mons. Idk why this is an issue, it could just boost up regardless.
Ever heard of HDB? Yeah, the thing that ignore stealth rocks? Slap that on and the issue with being rocks weak is solved. Nobody says "volc is bad because it is rocks weak" because realistically, it will always have HDB on.
Sure, it may have to rely on tera a bit, but that's not too much of an issue when you become a different type that resists your previous weaknesses. Tera dark for the pesky ghost/dark types. Tera ground if you want to beat electric types. Tera steel to get a poison immunity and resist rock/ice type moves.
Let's just say you have flying/ground coverage.
Dragon types: +1 252+ SpA Lugia Aeroblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Roaring Moon: 207-244 (58.9 - 69.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252+ SpA Lugia Aeroblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kyurem: 228-268 (58.3 - 68.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Ground types: +1 252+ SpA Lugia Aeroblast vs. 244 HP / 16 SpD Gliscor: 259-306 (73.5 - 86.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal
Dark type: +1 252+ SpA Lugia Aeroblast vs. 172 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Samurott-Hisui: 198-234 (54.3 - 64.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+1 252+ SpA Lugia Aeroblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Weavile: 238-282 (84.6 - 100.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
Unaware mons:+1 252+ SpA Lugia Earth Power vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Unaware Skeledirge: 146-172 (35.5 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 252+ SpA Lugia Aeroblast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Unaware Dondozo: 196-232 (38.8 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+1 252+ SpA Lugia Earth Power vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Unaware Clodsire: 122-144 (26.3 - 31.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Okay, so which one of these are taking on a tera'd lugia? Answer: Only clodsire.
Also, what's stopping lugia from using coverage for these mon?
It has for special move types:
Psychic
Flying
Ground
Ice
Grass
Ghost
Dragon
Water
Electric
That's half the type chart. What is stopping it from using one of these moves and drastically changing its counters?
For physical move types:
Psychic
Water
Steel
Ground
Flying (It gets brave bird)
Dragon (scale shot)
Not as good, but workable.
And I haven't even talked about multiscale yet. Wanna see a calc?
+2 252+ Atk Black Glasses Supreme Overlord 5 allies fainted Tera Dark Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Multiscale Lugia: 372-438 (89.4 - 105.2%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
And a resist calc btw:
+2 252+ Atk Black Glasses Supreme Overlord 5 allies fainted Tera Dark Kingambit Sucker Punch vs. 252 HP / 220+ Def Great Tusk: 188-222 (43.3 - 51.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
I'm sorry, but how is this a good mon for OU? One of the strongest moves in the game, gambit's sucker punch, doesn't even have full odds to OHKO despite the fact it is at +2, tera dark and has 5 allies fainted supreme overlord boost. I know your going to say "but then you can't invest in your attacking stats", who the hell cares if it's univested.
0 SpA Lugia Aeroblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tera Dark Kingambit: 114-135 (33.4 - 39.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
It's still doing decent damage btw.
TLDR, no... Stop saying lugia should drop, it's just derailing the thread and it would be a scourge to OU. It is way too bulky and way too powerful.
is very good in UUbers...as a defensive pivot that comes in, clicks knock off, then teleports out. If we're talking strictly about the way it is generally used in UUbers rather than theorymoning breaker sets (Trick Room anyone?), then it's very arguably not broken even by OU standards. I could see it being too good but it's within suspect test territory imo, unlike palafin and lando-I which are pure troll
