Actual talk though I'm at a loss for what's left after the given denials. Only potential things I can think of any negative press for left are Garganacl and Weavile (unless Torkoal's being tested as a proxy for Sun)
Are we or are we not at the point of wild guessing? A bluff by one -nator being called by another -nator is at least as reasonable as Ting-Lu.Booster Energy and Weather Rocks aren't Pokemon, and Finchinator explicitly said 9 Pokemon.
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Are we or are we not at the point of wild guessing? A bluff by one -nator being called by another -nator is at least as reasonable as Ting-Lu.
my guesses are roaring moon, kyurem, raging bolt twice, and gouging fire three timesLet's play the guess the Pokemon that will be on the survey game.
My guesses are based on Finchinator and other OU Council members' posts recently.
Gholdengo
Gouging Fire
Kingambit
Kyurem
Ogerpon-Wellspring
Raging Bolt
Roaring Moon
Volcarona
If Volcarona is not one of the 8, I see it being Walking Wake instead, but I think it will be Volcarona.
If I were to make a guess, I'd say Gouging Fire is the only Pokemon right now that has the community support for a ban (the 60%+1 vote margin) by regular suspect test voters, so I hope Gouging Fire is the mon that is the next suspect target as I believe the rest will end up with DNB verdicts.
my brother in chrother he voted ban on it during the suspectThe only reason I see why Kingambit is still in the tier is because Finch is clinging onto it as his banner mon. Just revert back to Toxapex an nobody will notice bro
first thing first, adamant moon doesnt exist, i just refuse to believe it. im probably a hater tho.
second thing,
its less of
"But Heatranator, most of these reasonings are based on +1 calcs, that won't be the case."
but more of
"But Heatranator, roaring moon can only get its sweep off once in a game, so even if in theory it has the ability to beat every pokemon that you have mentioned, finding the opportunity to set up and go for a sweep is not easy. even againts pokemon that it should be able to set up on and scare out in theory like you mentioned with great tusk, cinderace or gholdengo, it still have to fear them staying in and crippling it with burns, twave or just straight up killing it."
You talk a lot about stuff "in practice" when your example relies so much on roaring moon having +1 attack, +1 speed, Booster energy, no hazard damage and also tera being available and that its also a 1v1. Thats just never gonna happen in serious games. Landorus-therian loses 1v1 vs roaring moon in theory, but if lando u-turns into another pokemon like kingambit, now the roaring moon is forced to attack, in which the landorus can come back and neuter it even more. If the moon switches out, thats it, its booster is spent, it took a ton of damage and its almost impossible for it to sweep now. For roaring moon to get its full potential off you need to use A LOT of support which in most games is just too much work, so you just stack these sweepers together and take out the opponents one by one.
Take a look at these 2 replays i have.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2063382121
first one is of webs, and upon seeing it i knew that i couldnt use lando-t as my main counter because theres a zamazenta, and that mon can get really dangerous so i opted to keep primarina and kingambit for roaring moon. Now he actually got a safe switch into samurott and set up, but this was a very risky play as samurott can have sacred sword and one shot moon or as the replay shows, encore. After that the roaring moon is neutered and i win late game with this same samurott.
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9ou-2062641169?p2
in this game, i choked early game because i let my lando died vs iron valiant, and my opponent brought out his roaring moon vs iron crown, but he didnt set up, he killed it. why? because iron crown can focus blast to kill it, chip with tachyon cutter or volt switch out. Terastalizing doesn't solve this issue either cause if he terastalizes into tachyon cutter, he just wasted it. So the safest play was to kill the iron crown and effectively neutering the sweep potential, as later in the game it couldn't even kill a tera ghost gambit with knock off.
punishing roaring moon's set up is much simpler than it sounds.
those are just replays i remembered saving, you can probably find more roaring moon games in the SPL Replays thread,
week 6 win-rate
| 6 | Roaring Moon | 10 | 25.00% | 40.00% |
week 5 win-rate
| 8 | Roaring Moon | 8 | 20.00% | 50.00% |
week 4 win-rate
| 10 | Roaring Moon | 7 | 17.50% | 28.57% |
week 3 win-rate
| 6 | Roaring Moon | 8 | 20.00% | 37.50% |
True but i was just showing how even if you're stubborn and dont want to run defensive mons, you can still beat roaring moon. in OST recently i saw vert using tinkaton as a counter to roaring moon, primarina and iron valiant which was neat.
which part?
Don't worry, you weren't the only one. It was top 10 usage in ubers despite being trash.I feel like anyone who says roaring moon is balanced is huffing more copium than me, someone who continuously attempts to cook utility sets with terapagos in ubers
When I say utility I mean rapid spin + roar without CM. Frick ur hazards I'm chipping ur dragons for 30%Don't worry, you weren't the only one. It was top 10 usage in ubers despite being trash.
actually this is a fun guessing game, just keep doing this until we've narrowed it down to the 8 mons that are on the surveyno landot
no hatt
I think he said he miscounted and there was nine mons on the survey.actually this is a fun guessing game, just keep doing this until we've narrowed it down to the 8 mons that are on the survey
already been disprovedI think he said he miscounted and there was nine mons on the survey.
The ninth mon will be iron valiant. My source: I made it the fuck up
already been disproved
Way to ruin my joke.already been disproved
nah it's gonna be pelipperAt this point, the ones Finch hasn't clarified are funnier than the ones he has. Barry, your time has come!
I almost spit my computer out. Wild statement.Are we finally banning the OU forums in general?
Why did you have your computer in your mouth? And why did it take me ten minutes for me to realise that???I almost spit my computer out. Wild statement.
>he doesn't know about apple iwaterWhy did you have your computer in your mouth? And why did it take me ten minutes for me to realise that???
I guess he don't know I'm living in 2093.>he doesn't know about apple iwater