It would make Ditto more viable but it would be all about timing. I personally think late game would be better to use Ditto. Weaken some stuff and then have a good late game sweeper by coping theirs. Or a solid wall if you copy one of theirs that very little in their team can stop. Team Preview kinda ruins Ditto's appeal IMO. If you know it's there you can prepare it a bit easier than if it suddenly appearsWhat if imposter copied the opponents hp star as we'll.
I personally think that it would make ditto a even more reliable revenge killer in ou as even after you kill the poke ( assuming it's not choiced) you could proceed to sweep a team especially when switching into a sweeper
I don't mean worse, perse. I mean easier to deal with.I don't really understand how the addition of a new move could make possibly it worse, considering that Gengar isn't losing anything. Especially since Focus Blast's average base power is only 84 (aka less than 90) when factoring in accuracy, and Strykeypoo's calcs showed that Aura Sphere still has the power to do almost everything Focus Blast can. There's no more reason to use Focus Blast over Aura Sphere than there is to use Blizzard over Ice Beam on a non-Hail team.
I don't think that this would helpt it one bit. An additional two weaknesses to common special attacks in low tiers, Dark and Ghost, in addition to being totally and completely anihilated by Pursuit (even Reflect can't save it) is not worth it for being immune to Fighting attacks (Cryogonal cannot take on physical attackers anyway and most special Pokemon use Fighting moves for coverage, which Cryogonal takes pretty comfortably) and being able to spinblock, as Kabutops, the best spinner in RU, laughs at Cryogonal. A secondary typing that would actually help it would be Poison, making it immune to Toxic (a common way to cripple it on defensive Pokemon), and a complete counter to special Sceptile, Tangrowth, Rotom-C, and Accelgor, while not losing against anything it didn't before (most Psychic Pokemon use Psyshock in RU, which already OHKO/2HKOes Cryogonal.What if Cryogonal gained 70 bases point in Def and his type became Ice/Ghost?
PS: 70 (Max 344)
Atk: 50 (Max 218)
Def: 30+70 (Max 328)
SAtk: 95 (Max 317)
SDef: 135 (Max 405)
Speed: 105 (Max 339)
Cryogonal @ Leftovers ICE/GHOST TYPE
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Recover
- Rapid Spin
- Ice Beam
- Toxic / Magic Coat
Cryogonal is one of the few Spinner with Recovery move different than Rest. And if his new typing became Ice Ghost he can also became an antispinner.
So what do you think will happen?
They have stated many times that stat changing should not count as theorymons because the only way a pokemon is going to get its stats raised is through a mega evolution ( and I doubt a mega evo would raise 35 attack to 100 ).Wat if Ledian's Speed and Atk became 110 Bases stat? Iron Fist + Sword Dance + All the punching moves(mach punch, drain punch, elemental punch, comet punch, mega punch).
Difficult to say unless you specify exactly what would get it through TM, most things that get Recover are psychic types so flavour wise Pokemon like Tar, Ferro, Heatran and Politoed propably wouldn't get it and i can't think of any Pokemon where Recover would fit flavour wise that don't already get it outside of some defensive Ghosts that propably wouldn't get that much better, because Jellicent is still outclasss them (Water immunity is just huge in the current metagame.). The only things in OU that would have a chance to get it are propably Metagross and Jirachi (maybe Rotom, but that is more wishful thinking than anything else) and Jirachi already has Wish and Metagross has simply no use for recover.Any other thoughts on Recover being a universal TM?
He means universal TM, like Hidden power or toxic-esqueDifficult to say unless you specify exactly what would get it through TM, most things that get Recover are psychic types so flavour wise Pokemon like Tar, Ferro, Heatran and Politoed propably wouldn't get it and i can't think of any Pokemon where Recover would fit flavour wise that don't already get it outside of some defensive Ghosts that propably wouldn't get that much better, because Jellicent is still outclasss them (Water immunity is just huge in the current metagame.). The only things in OU that would have a chance to get it are propably Metagross and Jirachi (maybe Rotom, but that is more wishful thinking than anything else) and Jirachi already has Wish and Metagross has simply no use for recover.
Yea I mean everything that can learn TMS gets it. And its kinda far-fetch'd but if you get a cut it will eventually heal, which is a loose connection to recover.Difficult to say unless you specify exactly what would get it through TM, most things that get Recover are psychic types so flavour wise Pokemon like Tar, Ferro, Heatran and Politoed propably wouldn't get it and i can't think of any Pokemon where Recover would fit flavour wise that don't already get it outside of some defensive Ghosts that propably wouldn't get that much better, because Jellicent is still outclasss them (Water immunity is just huge in the current metagame.). The only things in OU that would have a chance to get it are propably Metagross and Jirachi (maybe Rotom, but that is more wishful thinking than anything else) and Jirachi already has Wish and Metagross has simply no use for recover.
I also agree that the quality of the posts in this thread have decreased dramatically-- and I'm not sure how it should be handled. There also seems to be little interest in my testing/ranking idea. I'll be considering on ways to improve the theorymon thread; but ultimate I think this (and other would-be major projects in OU) will probably get swept aside with XY coming out. After sufficient research is done on XY, be sure we'll have a new theorymon thread over there-- hopefully one with a format that can encourage better posts.Hmm this thread has started getting really pointless, the last two pages have been mostly bad and totally unrealistic suggestions that don't even take into account the purpose of this thread. Three ways to solve this are stricter moderation, stricter rules, or PM theorymon ideas to Chou and he approves whatever he finds appropriate.
Slaking says hi. The other moves wouldn't make that much impact, barring Frenzy Plant maybe on Venusaur or Blast Burn on Charizard:Better yet, expand that caveat (if a move lands a killing blow, it doesn't recharge) to ALL 150 BP / 90 ACC moves, such as Giga Impact