Dude The Frontier only lasts for like a week anyway. I don't think I have the energy to keep beating dead horses.Since ihhca is inactive, will there eventually be a new frontier brain?
This is completely flawed reasoning. Have you possibly considered that maybe banning Espeed could make set-up less unmanageable and cancerous?Setup is super cancerous and completely warps the way offense is allowed to build, which in turn dictates the way the entire metagame is allowed to build.
^In a post-Espeed world. Js we're fucked regardless, but at least Espeed is the devil we already know.
It feels that way because you cannot revenge extreme killers through conventional means (scarfers, +1 priority, weather speed boost), and most extreme killers are near unwallable because they can afford to run coverage and lure walls for other ekillers to sweep. Counterplay to other types of sweepers outside of fakespeed are severely underexplored because using ekiller spam just beats all other forms of sweeping and more.Setup is super cancerous and completely warps the way offense is allowed to build, which in turn dictates the way the entire metagame is allowed to build.
^In a post-Espeed world. Js we're fucked regardless, but at least Espeed is the devil we already know.
Is team support that big of a concern? Mono Stabmons has espeed banned and all the same threats, but rather than being broken there is only 1-2 setup sweepers of any note. Rregular Stabmons even has more anti setup options, from Unaware to Ditto to Transform to Mimikyu to phazing to physical walls to prankster. I've seen plenty of espeedless teams that nonetheless aren't setup bait for sweepers.Setup is super cancerous and completely warps the way offense is allowed to build, which in turn dictates the way the entire metagame is allowed to build.
^In a post-Espeed world. Js we're fucked regardless, but at least Espeed is the devil we already know.
This seems... unlikely. It nerfs exactly one type of set-up sweeper, Espeed spammers, and simply removes the best form of revenge killer for all the rest.This is completely flawed reasoning. Have you possibly considered that maybe banning Espeed could make set-up less unmanageable and cancerous?
Yes, STABmons has never banned moves on pokemon that get them naturally. Belly Drum Snorlax has, and probably always will be legal despite BD being "banned".YES
Just one question if i play zyg e speed , it will work ?
Extreme Speed is not actually banned on the ladder, might want to fix thatView attachment 111664View attachment 111667View attachment 111668View attachment 111671EXTREME SUSPECT TESTING!View attachment 111665View attachment 111666View attachment 111669View attachment 111670It has come time to suspect one of STABmons most notorious moves: Extreme Speed. This move is the best priority available to any reasonable Pokemon, and is easily paired with Swords Dance and/or Fake Out to let offensive Pokemon bypass speed tiers. It provides Pokemon like Diggersby, Altaria, and Lopunny with immense offensive role compression, since it is powerful enough to knock out fairly bulky Pokemon after a boost or chip from Fake Out, and has high enough priority to go first in almost every situation. It is a strong enough option that even Pokemon like the late Porygon-Z and Sylveon have run it off of 80 and 65 Base Atk to great effect. Many people feel that this move is putting a stranglehold on what can viably sweep, since many Pokemon simply fail the "FakeSpeed" test and are prone to getting revenge killed from full. Many people also find it difficult to build reasonable teams that can check the wide range of Pokemon trying to sweep with Extreme Speed, since they collectively have extremely diverse coverage options (from Protective Pads Fire Punch, to Pixilate Boomburst, to suddenly being at +6).
FEATURING EXTREME FONT CHOICES!
The suspect will last until the end of the month. The requirements are 80 GXE and a 30 game minimum, with a few suspect tours between now and then. Extreme Speed will be banned on ladder. Tagging The Immortal to let me know if there's anything I'm missing or that seems off about this. Thanks!
P.S. I'm holding off on VR moves until after this is completed, since it seems counterproductive to potentially move things twice. Noms are still very welcome.
Ayyy abusing this to have reqs earlier than I would.The current reqs seem a bit extreme, so I'm turning them down to 75 gxe, still over 30 games. The daily STABmons tour this sunday will count as a suspect tour; whoever wins gets reqs for free. If you can't make this, let me know what a better time would be, and if there's enough of a consensus I will organize another suspect tour in the <<stabmons>> room.
Those are neither the things being suspected nor do you fulfill the reqs to vote in the current suspect (which is on Extreme Speed, and which you need 75% gxe in 30+ games to vote on.)In regards to the Pokémon that are being discussed here in STABmons I wanted to comment on my point of view towards them as well:
Porygon-Z: This bad boy is absolutely busted. Adaptability Boomburst with either Specs or (if you wanna be an absolute madman) Nasty Plot with Normalium is disgusting.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Porygon-Z Boomburst vs. 244 HP / 12 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 328-386 (46.7 - 54.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Breakneck Blitz (200 BP) vs. 244 HP / 12 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 622-732 (88.6 - 104.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock (OHKOing a Chansey with a Special Attack is ridiculous even if it's a Z-Move)
I'd vote for a quickban on this bad boy.
Mega Lopunny: Even though it is indeed a really strong Pokémon, I don't think it should be banned. One Pokémon that can cripple Lopunny really bad is Beak Blast Lando-T. One Lando I've used to get the reqs for the ESpeed suspect test that I think really deals with Lopunny is a Sash one
Landorus-Therian @ Focus Sash
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Beak Blast
- Precipice Blades
- Stealth Rock
- Explosion
Beak Blast on the Ice Punch, Lopunny is gone and you can still get a last ditch effort Intimidate (Landorus is not a main asset on my team so I don't usually need it unless my team matchup against my opponent proves me the opposite). I know it's not the best Landorus set here in STABmons (I don't like the Shore Up defensive Lando one even though I do know it's really good). In conclusion, I honestly don't think Lopunny should be banned.
D I G G E R S B Y T H O ?: Everyone's favorite fat bunny and Sky Williams's favorite Pokémon. Diggersby has shown that it's a pretty powerful Pokémon with Huge Power + SD + ESpeed + Precipice Blades and more. However, my opinion towards Diggersby is the exact same as Lopunny (TL;DR: It's powerful, but it's definietly not busted). I don't think Diggersby should be straight up banned, however, a suspect test wouldn't be bad on it.
Rotom: Without a doubt the most versatile Pokémon in STABmons, Rotom is definietly a staple if you want to glue that defensive backbone or if you want a bulky special attacker. I honestly think that it's really good... but doesn't deserve the boot.
Rotom is good, but it's not busted and definietly can be dealt with. I can't mention any true counters at the top of my head, but I think that Toxic Chansey can be one because, since it's Chansey, it doesn't take damage from special attacks (PZ is another story). Not sure if this comparison is valid, but I would compare Rotom in STABmons with Landorus-T in OU in this sense: It has ten millon viable sets and the Pokémon can do ten million things, but it is definietly manageable and it's not broken in the meta. So, no ban or no suspect test for Rotom imo
Spore: For the ESpeed suspect test ladder I've played 40 games atm (here's a screenshot of the alt I used) and I never really had a problem with Spore. You have good grass types like Tapu Bulu, Ferrothorn, Mega Venusaur to absorb them, status "absorbers" like Chansey and Misty Terrain to work with it. Heck, the Rotom I have on my team doesn't even have Spore. I think it should neither be banned nor suspected because it's not that broken.
Oh. Didn't notice the gxe before I started to get the reqs lolThose are neither the things being suspected nor do you fulfill the reqs to vote in the current suspect (which is on Extreme Speed, and which you need 75% gxe in 30+ games to vote on.)
As Tzop said out of those things pz and spore were banned, while the espeed suspect is a partially a result of the diggers/lop discussion.