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Project SS UU Victim Of The Week v2- Week 53: Darmanitan (Submissions)
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Checks: Excadrill and Salazzle
Counters: Celesteela and Quagsire
Counters: Celesteela and Quagsire
Jirachi is unworthy of love, so....
Checks: Aegislash & Salazzle
Counters: Celesteela & Quagsire
Checks: Aegislash & Salazzle
Counters: Celesteela & Quagsire
Voting has finished! After a tiebreak from Magnum,Specs wins the week for the checks and Aqua Jet and ExiDudi take runner up. Meanwhile, the pain is excruciating wins the counters while HydreigonTheChild takes runner up. All of the submissions will be added to the Hall of Fame. Now, let’s see this week’s victim!
Tornadus (M)
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Acrobatics
- Knock Off
- U-turn
- Heat Wave
This week we have the angry cloud man Tornadus! An underrated pivot that has had its power showcased a few times, Tornadus is exceptionally difficult to wall with its high power flying type attacks and coverage being able to slam staples like zarude and skarmory. Even threats like Salamence and aegislash have to be wary thanks to defiant boosting its attack. How will you stop this dangerous Djinn? Submissions are due January 1 at 11:59 PM GMT-8. This is a double points week, so be sure to submit to earn lots of points!
Tornadus (M)
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Acrobatics
- Knock Off
- U-turn
- Heat Wave
This week we have the angry cloud man Tornadus! An underrated pivot that has had its power showcased a few times, Tornadus is exceptionally difficult to wall with its high power flying type attacks and coverage being able to slam staples like zarude and skarmory. Even threats like Salamence and aegislash have to be wary thanks to defiant boosting its attack. How will you stop this dangerous Djinn? Submissions are due January 1 at 11:59 PM GMT-8. This is a double points week, so be sure to submit to earn lots of points!
Not nihilego, that was stupid. Because it's rotom again.
Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Spe
Timid Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Pain Split/ Defog
- Thunderbolt
252 Atk Tornadus Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 40 Def Rotom-Wash: 89-105 (29.2 - 34.5%) -- 4.8% chance to 3HKO
0 SpA Rotom-Wash Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tornadus: 242-288 (80.9 - 96.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Room stays healthy with pain spilt and takes tornadus' attacks all day while also giving it's team momentum. I'm not sure if this is enough to count as a counter but if one wants it's also possible to run defig over pain split but that reduces the amount of time it can counter/check tornadus, even though it works even if it isn't healthy
Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 40 Def / 216 Spe
Timid Nature
- Volt Switch
- Hydro Pump
- Pain Split/ Defog
- Thunderbolt
252 Atk Tornadus Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 40 Def Rotom-Wash: 89-105 (29.2 - 34.5%) -- 4.8% chance to 3HKO
0 SpA Rotom-Wash Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tornadus: 242-288 (80.9 - 96.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Room stays healthy with pain spilt and takes tornadus' attacks all day while also giving it's team momentum. I'm not sure if this is enough to count as a counter but if one wants it's also possible to run defig over pain split but that reduces the amount of time it can counter/check tornadus, even though it works even if it isn't healthy
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Mamoswine @ Choice Band / Life Orb
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Icicle Crash
- Earthquake
- Ice Shard
- Knock Off
Mamoswine is a good offensive check to Tornadus since it has solid enough bulk and priority to bypass Tornadus's Speed. Thick Fat has actual use here since it avoids the 2HKO from Heat Wave too.
252+ Atk Choice Band Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Tornadus: 320-380 (107 - 127%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Tornadus: 281-330 (93.9 - 110.3%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Tornadus Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mamoswine: 199-235 (55.1 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Tornadus Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mamoswine: 117-138 (32.4 - 38.2%) -- 97.3% chance to 3HKO
4 SpA Tornadus Heat Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Thick Fat Mamoswine: 124-148 (34.3 - 40.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Tornadus: 281-330 (93.9 - 110.3%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Tornadus Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mamoswine: 199-235 (55.1 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Tornadus Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mamoswine: 117-138 (32.4 - 38.2%) -- 97.3% chance to 3HKO
4 SpA Tornadus Heat Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Thick Fat Mamoswine: 124-148 (34.3 - 40.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
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scorbunnys
Don't dream your life, but live your dream. #Bunny
Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Stone Edge / Rock Blast
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Swords Dance / Megahorn / Heat Crash / Whatever
Submitting this as a counter, as aside from KnockTurn it has no ways to break thru it, and Rhyp also threatens it w Stone Edge (or Rock Blast).
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Stone Edge / Rock Blast
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Swords Dance / Megahorn / Heat Crash / Whatever
Submitting this as a counter, as aside from KnockTurn it has no ways to break thru it, and Rhyp also threatens it w Stone Edge (or Rock Blast).
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Diancie @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 32 Atk / 92 Def / 132 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Diamond Storm
- Moonblast
- Stealth Rock
- Mystical Fire
Submitting Diancie as a counter. Torn just cannot meaningfully hurt the standard Diancie set at all, and Diancie threatens an OHKO on Torn with Diamond Storm.
252 Atk Tornadus Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 96 Def Diancie: 54-64 (17.7 - 21%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery
32 Atk Diancie Diamond Storm vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Tornadus: 332-392 (111 - 131.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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California Gurls (Salazzle) (F) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Corrosion
EVs: 16 HP / 252 SpA / 240 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Toxic
- Sludge Wave
- Flamethrower
- Overheat
252 SpA Choice Specs Salazzle Overheat vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Tornadus: 382-450 (127.7 - 150.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 SpA Tornadus Heat Wave vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Salazzle: 62-73 (22.3 - 26.3%) -- 20.8% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
Despite being a check, Salazzle can switch in on Tornadus's Heat Wave and proceed to OHKO it with Sludge Wave.
Thundurus-Therian (M) @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic
- Focus Blast
- Nasty Plot
Submitting Thundurus-T as a check to Tornadus, Unlike other checks, Thundurus-T can actually deal with Tornadus’s attacks as they are most of the time 3HKOs and OHKO him with Thunderbolt, I chose the Nasty Plot Set since Tornadus is usually runned with something that can take care of Thundurus-T so wallbreaking is needed.
Thundurus-Therian Calcs
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tornadus: 386-456 (129 - 152.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Tornadus Calcs
252 Atk Tornadus Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 68 HP / 0 Def Thundurus-Therian: 106-125 (33.5 - 39.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Tornadus Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 68 HP / 0 Def Thundurus-Therian: 110-130 (34.8 - 41.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
4 SpA Tornadus Heat Wave vs. 68 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus-Therian: 100-118 (31.6 - 37.3%) -- 86.2% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tornadus: 386-456 (129 - 152.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Tornadus Calcs
252 Atk Tornadus Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 68 HP / 0 Def Thundurus-Therian: 106-125 (33.5 - 39.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Tornadus Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 68 HP / 0 Def Thundurus-Therian: 110-130 (34.8 - 41.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
4 SpA Tornadus Heat Wave vs. 68 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus-Therian: 100-118 (31.6 - 37.3%) -- 86.2% chance to 3HKO
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Lycanroc-Dusk @ Life Orb
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Close Combat
- Psychic Fangs
- Accelerock
Lycanroc-Dusk is a very strong check to Tornadus. Tornadus's most powerful attack, Knock Off, only 2HKOes, and Accelerock is always an OHKO with the Life Orb.
252 Atk Tornadus Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 138-163 (47.4 - 56%) -- 81.6% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Tornadus Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 117-138 (40.2 - 47.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Tornadus U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lycanroc-Dusk: 100-118 (34.3 - 40.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Lycanroc-Dusk Accelerock vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Tornadus: 307-367 (102.6 - 122.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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Gigalith @ Smooth Rock
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 36 Atk / 216 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Rock Blast
- Toxic
Gigalith can come in many times on tornadus and set up rocks in its face and threaten to ohko it with rock blast. With sand chip tornadus has limited turns especially being pressured with givng gigalith free entry hazards every time it lets it in.
36 Atk Gigalith Rock Blast (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Tornadus: 324-384 (108.3 - 128.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Tornadus Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Gigalith: 66-78 (17.6 - 20.8%) -- guaranteed 5HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Tornadus Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Gigalith: 78-92 (20.8 - 24.5%) -- 89.9% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 36 Atk / 216 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Rock Blast
- Toxic
Gigalith can come in many times on tornadus and set up rocks in its face and threaten to ohko it with rock blast. With sand chip tornadus has limited turns especially being pressured with givng gigalith free entry hazards every time it lets it in.
36 Atk Gigalith Rock Blast (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Tornadus: 324-384 (108.3 - 128.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Tornadus Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Gigalith: 66-78 (17.6 - 20.8%) -- guaranteed 5HKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Tornadus Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Gigalith: 78-92 (20.8 - 24.5%) -- 89.9% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock
Seeing "HydreigontheChild" suddenly become "Isabelle" was as almost as shocking as being reminded people use Tornadus in this tier. As for my submission....
Zygarde-10% @ Choice Band
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Thousand Arrows
- Outrage
- Extreme Speed
- Toxic/Glare/Skitter Smack
Submitting Zygarde-10% (again) as a check given it's one of the few mons in the tier (and on the VR) that naturally outspeeds Tornadus-Incarnate, given the use of Hasty nature makes Thousands Arrows capable of OHKOing when it otherwise wouldn't, and given Outrage OHKO even with a Def-neutral nature anyway. As frail as Zygarde-10% is, itemless STAB Acrobatics from Tornadus oddly isn't a guaranteed OHKO either. In fact, it has a lower chance to OHKO Zygarde-10% with Acrobatics than the OHKO risk that Thousand Arrows presents to its Hasty self:
Zydog's threats:
252 Atk Choice Band Zygarde-10% Thousand Arrows vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Tornadus: 274-324 (91.6 - 108.3%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Zygarde-10% Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Tornadus: 364-430 (121.7 - 143.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Tornadus's threats:
252 Atk Tornadus Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zygarde-10%: 219-258 (87.9 - 103.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
Since both Zydog's STABs deal with Tornadus rather handily, with Thousands Arrows being a guaranteed OHKO if it's taken basically any chip damage, the last slot is pretty flexible too, which is nice for a check that stillgets to spam the move it already wants to spam 99% of the time anyway. Glare in particular also screws Tornadus over, however, if for some reason you don't want to just outright OHKO the least Genie and put it out of its misery.
Zygarde-10% @ Choice Band
Ability: Aura Break
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Thousand Arrows
- Outrage
- Extreme Speed
- Toxic/Glare/Skitter Smack
Submitting Zygarde-10% (again) as a check given it's one of the few mons in the tier (and on the VR) that naturally outspeeds Tornadus-Incarnate, given the use of Hasty nature makes Thousands Arrows capable of OHKOing when it otherwise wouldn't, and given Outrage OHKO even with a Def-neutral nature anyway. As frail as Zygarde-10% is, itemless STAB Acrobatics from Tornadus oddly isn't a guaranteed OHKO either. In fact, it has a lower chance to OHKO Zygarde-10% with Acrobatics than the OHKO risk that Thousand Arrows presents to its Hasty self:
Zydog's threats:
252 Atk Choice Band Zygarde-10% Thousand Arrows vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Tornadus: 274-324 (91.6 - 108.3%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Zygarde-10% Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Tornadus: 364-430 (121.7 - 143.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Tornadus's threats:
252 Atk Tornadus Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zygarde-10%: 219-258 (87.9 - 103.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
Since both Zydog's STABs deal with Tornadus rather handily, with Thousands Arrows being a guaranteed OHKO if it's taken basically any chip damage, the last slot is pretty flexible too, which is nice for a check that stillgets to spam the move it already wants to spam 99% of the time anyway. Glare in particular also screws Tornadus over, however, if for some reason you don't want to just outright OHKO the least Genie and put it out of its misery.
Starmie @ Life Orb
Ability: Analytic
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hydro Pump
- Blizzard
- Thunderbolt
- Recover
RBY starmie time. Run blizzard to guarantee the OHKO. Please don't vote for this though there were way better checks submitted.
And after a delay because of my forgetfulness, its time to vote! Down below are the checks and counters submitted for the week!
Checks
by Aqua Jet 
Counters
Voting ends January 9 at 11:59 GMT-8. The project will take a week long break to save some mons and not burn through them all before home, we got a nice streak going these last few cycles. Anyway, my votes are..
Checks: Mamoswine and Lycanroc
Counters: Rotom-w and diancie
Checks: Mamoswine and Thundy-T
Counters: Rhyperior and Gigalith
Counters: Rhyperior and Gigalith
Checks: Mamoswine and Lycanroc-Dusk.
Counters: Diancie and Gigalith.
Counters: Diancie and Gigalith.
Voting has finished! Congrats to avg for winning the week for the checks and Arxtric and StarFalcon555 for taking runner up! Also, congrats to Celebiii for winning the counters and scorbunnys for taking runner up. All of your submissions will be added to the Hall of Fame. In light of the ongoing suspect test, this weeks victim is an old friend...
Thundurus-Therian @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Volt Switch
- Focus Blast
- Knock Off
- Psychic
This week we have pivot thundurus! This is the first “repeat of a Pokémon” so to speak, as we tacked the Nasty Plot set wayyy back in Week 14. Now, with a different meta and a new common set I think it’s fair to take on thundurus again. Anyway, pivot thundurus is the new dominant set, using its great power and coverage to wear down teams to clean late game while being very tough to switch into. How will you stop this beast? Submissions are due January 15 at 11:59 PM GMT-8
Thundurus-Therian @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Volt Switch
- Focus Blast
- Knock Off
- Psychic
This week we have pivot thundurus! This is the first “repeat of a Pokémon” so to speak, as we tacked the Nasty Plot set wayyy back in Week 14. Now, with a different meta and a new common set I think it’s fair to take on thundurus again. Anyway, pivot thundurus is the new dominant set, using its great power and coverage to wear down teams to clean late game while being very tough to switch into. How will you stop this beast? Submissions are due January 15 at 11:59 PM GMT-8
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Nihilego @ Black Sludge
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Power Gem
- Sludge Bomb
- Knock Off
Nihilego is a good check to Thundurus-T that can take anyone of its attacks and OHKO it with Power Gem.
252 SpA Nihilego Power Gem vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus-Therian: 312-368 (104.3 - 123%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Volt Switch vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 99-117 (27.5 - 32.5%) -- 62.4% chance to 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery
0- Atk Thundurus-Therian Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 119-140 (33 - 38.8%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 170-200 (47.2 - 55.5%) -- 21.5% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Focus Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 113-133 (31.3 - 36.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Volt Switch vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 99-117 (27.5 - 32.5%) -- 62.4% chance to 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery
0- Atk Thundurus-Therian Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 119-140 (33 - 38.8%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 170-200 (47.2 - 55.5%) -- 21.5% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Focus Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Nihilego: 113-133 (31.3 - 36.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery
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Tapu Bulu @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 Spe
Impish Nature
- Horn Leech
- Dazzling Gleam
- Toxic
- Synthesis
Bulu can switch in and threaten toxic's constantly and can regain hp with grassy terrain and synthesis to reduce the progress thundy-t makes and psychic + volt switch barely does 60 on a max role especially with grassy terrain and without rocks it deals 48 especially with spin drill, tenta, and mandi being able to remove hazards for bulu. Bulu counters thundy-t as in a 1v1 situation it is unable to break bulu as synthesis heals off any progress it makes
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Bulu: 111-131 (32.2 - 38%) -- 1.1% chance to 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Bulu: 111-131 (32.2 - 38%) -- 96.9% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Grassy Terrain recovery
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Volt Switch vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Bulu: 64-76 (18.6 - 22%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock and Grassy Terrain recovery
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 Spe
Impish Nature
- Horn Leech
- Dazzling Gleam
- Toxic
- Synthesis
Bulu can switch in and threaten toxic's constantly and can regain hp with grassy terrain and synthesis to reduce the progress thundy-t makes and psychic + volt switch barely does 60 on a max role especially with grassy terrain and without rocks it deals 48 especially with spin drill, tenta, and mandi being able to remove hazards for bulu. Bulu counters thundy-t as in a 1v1 situation it is unable to break bulu as synthesis heals off any progress it makes
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Bulu: 111-131 (32.2 - 38%) -- 1.1% chance to 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Bulu: 111-131 (32.2 - 38%) -- 96.9% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Grassy Terrain recovery
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Volt Switch vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Tapu Bulu: 64-76 (18.6 - 22%) -- possible 6HKO after Stealth Rock and Grassy Terrain recovery
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Gastrodon @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 84 Def / 172 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Earthquake
- Recover
- Toxic
While gastro may crumble to the incredible power of nasty plot thanks to its low attacking stats, you completely stone wall this variant of thundy, easily recovering all of its hits while threatening burns and poisons. Even amoonguss doesn't want to take repeated attacks + hazards. Most importantly you block its momentum grabbing tool which is one of the biggest strengths of pivot.
CALCS
252 SpA Thundurus Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 172+ SpD Gastrodon: 113-133 (26.5 - 31.2%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
0- Atk Thundurus Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 84 Def Gastrodon: 86-102 (20.1 - 23.9%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
0 SpA Gastrodon Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 97-115 (32.4 - 38.4%) -- 98.2% chance to 3HKO
(Even though it isn't in the set presented,
252 SpA Thundurus Grass Knot (60 BP) vs. 252 HP / 172+ SpD Gastrodon: 224-268 (52.5 - 62.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
you. don't immediately crumble to it and now you can play mindgames with mons. have in the back)
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scorbunnys
Don't dream your life, but live your dream. #Bunny
Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Damp
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Earthquake
- Flip Turn
- Toxic
- Stealth Rock
(it can also be SpD oriented to check thund-t and reg molt way more effectively btw)
Submitting this as a check. So since this Thund-T doesn't carry GK, Swampert is a quite effective check thanks to its ok mixed bulk and good enough typing allowing to take hits from it relatively well while also crippling it with Toxic or pivoting out with Flip Turn, though Swampert can't constantly take hits from it since it has no recovery. Also if it's SpD invested you can take hits with more ease.
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Swampert: 154-182 (38.1 - 45%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Swampert: 154-182 (38.1 - 45%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Swampert: 116-137 (28.7 - 33.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Psychic vs. -1 252 HP / 4 SpD Swampert: 175-206 (43.3 - 50.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Focus Blast vs. -1 252 HP / 4 SpD Swampert: 232-274 (57.4 - 67.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO (after one Psychic + SpD drop + SR chip)
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Swampert: 110-130 (27.2 - 32.1%) -- 98.6% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Psychic vs. -1 252 HP / 252+ SpD Swampert: 124-146 (30.6 - 36.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Swampert: 83-98 (20.5 - 24.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Thundurus-Therian Focus Blast vs. -1 252 HP / 252+ SpD Swampert: 164-194 (40.5 - 48%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (after one Psychic + SpD drop + SR chip)
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Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Swords Dance
Once again, Rhyperior serves as a pretty solid counter to Thundy-T, being able to take a Focus Blast comfortably and OHKO back with a nonboosted Stone Edge.
252 SpA Thundurus Focus Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Solid Rock Rhyperior: 196-232 (45.1 - 53.4%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
4 Atk Rhyperior Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 386-456 (129 - 152.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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