It’s 75 Atk which makes sense since otherwise it would flat out broken.
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SPOILERS! Scarlet & Violet Leaks Thread - Data/Mechanics
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The sengoku era of Pokemon has started.
Was a point of discussion a couple times.
The consensus is... no. Not in singles anyway. The move can only be used every other turn (basically a reverse hyperbeam), meaning that you're basically doing nothing every second turn.
And Steel isn't exactly the greatest offensive type either, so even that 160 BP stab isnt necessarly going to break a lot of things.
As far as singles goes, it's likely going to end up being a mid-tier mon (and i'd not be surprised if it gets banned in whatever tier it ends up).
However it may have potential for VGC. Solid supportive movepool, good bulk, good typing, decent speed, gets fake out and ofc the nuclear 160 BP stab.
Speaking of which, we just caught this thing
as you can see, egg move AND tm move
Oh our party is barely level 20-30s, shoutout to Umbreon being a tanky boi.
Seems the "single raids" are fixed spawns, because we fought this exact same lucario yesterday, same tera type, same moveset too.
Pretty interesting for speedrunners if you ask me...
Edit: HOLD IT
They did the same thing as the other game, where the very high level pokemon will refuse to obey. We didn't actually break the game. Well kinda still did, obeys every other turn anyway.
as you can see, egg move AND tm move
Oh our party is barely level 20-30s, shoutout to Umbreon being a tanky boi.
Seems the "single raids" are fixed spawns, because we fought this exact same lucario yesterday, same tera type, same moveset too.
Pretty interesting for speedrunners if you ask me...
Edit: HOLD IT
They did the same thing as the other game, where the very high level pokemon will refuse to obey. We didn't actually break the game. Well kinda still did, obeys every other turn anyway.
Hell you can bring that to OU and it'll just do fine (with evs of course)
I really hope this mechanic is still available. Of the Pokemon of mine that I've reset for the rank ribbon, ~35-40% of them are running one or more egg moves. Loosing access to EMs when having to reset would be brutal and make resetting mons for that ribbon largely unworkable moving forward. Though, I'm 100% sure GF doesn't give a Rattata's bum about maintaining parity for everyone's legacy mons so I wouldn't be surprised if GF axed the mechanic.
Well i'm a bit divided on if the mechanic is there or not.
It was mainly introduced in SwSh because originally Gigamax were only obtainable via raid or giftmons, and so they would have been completely screwed with no way to get egg moves.
In SV however, you don't have this issue as there's a NPC to change Tera type mostly at will, so this isn't exactly a problem.
I think people overestimate the drawback of Gigaton Hammer. Unlike Hyper Beam, you can still act after using Gigaton Hammer, which is pretty significant since it means you can still switch out or finish off an opponent at low health, or use Substitute, and Tinkaton is at the right powerlevel and speed to do stuff like this.
Pretty much anything that isn’t Toxapex bulky+resist Steel will take massive amounts of damage from Gigaton Hammer and often is an OHKO. The Pokemon that can switch in without getting completely destroyed by Gigaton Hammer rarely threaten it because it has a great defensive typing and many utility moves like Scald and Knock Off being much more rare. Only things that can really switch into Tinkaton and threaten it out are Fire types like Volcanion and Heatran, and you also need to be bulky+faster too because otherwise +2 Gigaton Hammer could easily OKHO you through the resist.
Additionally, when you score a KO with Hyper Beam, you are a sitting duck against revenge killers, while Gigaton Hammer you can at least switch out.
If the ruin abilities act like an aura and aren't intimidate then how is that any different from the galar dogs they just nerfed? I guess if it's an aura then it can be less than what a -1 stat would do.
Going to bed, please let me know in DMs if something comes up.
God somebody just figure out how these abilities work lol. I’m dying.
It's not inaccurate, but noone has legitimately caught them afaik, and from what seems it's not actually a "intimidate" effect, rather an aura that applies that effect.
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The text is accurate but what does it mean? Intimidate specifies that it lowers opponent's Attack when switching in. By this wording these abilities could be static field debuffs of any amount, 1.1, 1.3, 1.5.
For all we know, it could be an overworld effect, where once you catch one of them, it decreases the corresponding Stat of all Pokémon in existence forever until you release them
If they wanted to nerf evasion chansey, they would nerf the evasion part of chansey. Not the other 6 moves that recover health.
I'm like, 99% sure the main reason for nerfing the PP of recovery moves wasn't anything to do with smogon and much more to do with timer stalling in BSS/VGC.
side note but they should really disable the long, sweeping camera panning every time someone teras
I went back and read a million pages of this thread and I haven't seen anyone mention the Pokemon I'm weirdly fascinated by: Flamigo. I understand why no one mentioned it because there's no way it'll be that good competitively, but I'm interested in it because the earliest leaks showed people encountering it as the very start of the game/at very low levels. But it's a flying/fighting type with a 500 bst and 115 attack
That seems weirdly overtuned for one of the earliest pokemon you can catch? I'm just reminded of how good Hawlucha was in USUM. Granted, I'm sure the open nature of this game means you can find a lot of strong pokemon earlier than in past games. But I'm just pleasantly surprised at how usable it seems, because I was expecting much lower stats when it was leaked to be available so early. Side note: it's weird that its pokedex number (346) is relatively close to the end
That seems weirdly overtuned for one of the earliest pokemon you can catch? I'm just reminded of how good Hawlucha was in USUM. Granted, I'm sure the open nature of this game means you can find a lot of strong pokemon earlier than in past games. But I'm just pleasantly surprised at how usable it seems, because I was expecting much lower stats when it was leaked to be available so early. Side note: it's weird that its pokedex number (346) is relatively close to the end
The thing is, "at start of the game" is very relative. As soon as you finish the tutorial you can go anywhere. And i mean it. Outside of the few areas where you will need flying / swimming to enter, you have access to the entire map, and believe me it's HUGE.
You can catch things like Gabite or Deino before the 2nd gym if you want to.
Quaquaval may suffer a bit from 4 moveslot syndrome given his signature and wave crash, but it's hard to not see it being a huge threat in the initial meta with Moxie.
So is that a confirmed list of everything that will be obtainable in game day one?
And do we know what Pokemon have shiny locks?
And removing Scald from most Pokemon is just crazy. That is the go to water move for so many.