He's an orc.Also, what is macle's role PM?
And this is a copy of the group PM sent to all orcs including myself:You are an orc.
You are a foot soldier of Mordor, and will fight to the last for your Lord Sauron.
You have the same voting power as all other orcs, as detailed in your team’s PM.
You are allied with the Forces of Sauron. You win if all threats are eliminated.
If you are wondering about the ring, UncleSam only mentioned it in billy's role PM. He did not tell us the bit about the orc chieftain getting the ring after killing gollum until after billy died, and we weren't told what it would do until after we got it from Snype.You are the orcs, members of the forces of Sauron. Your goal is to aid your lord and master, Sauron, in conquering Middle Earth.
You are composed of: Acklow, imperfectluck, askaninjask, Walrein, soviet, Upside, x16bit, Blue_Tornado, Celever, and macle.
You may individually vote for a member of the Forces of Sauron to be immune to one kill or lynch over the upcoming cycle once every other night. In other words, the orcs may vote for one of you to become immune to one death between Day 2 and Night 2 on Night 1, but may not do so again on Night 2 if you did so on Night 1. A majority of the living orcs must cast a vote in order for this protection to come into place the next cycle.
Unfortunately, there is a traitor in your midst. As a result of this, the leaders of the Forces of Sauron have decided not to grace any of you with their identities. The only person who is in contact with them that you have knowledge of is your commander, Gothmog, who is: Bass. He is in contact with your master and his generals, and can alert you as to their commands.
You are allied with the Forces of Sauron. You win if all threats are eliminated.
Which would result in your win.maf kill 1 vill, protect 1
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Walrein's role PM. orc pm should be in there, but I don't know how to get that specifically from a PM through using Reply on XenForo.Dear vonFiedler, you are Smeagol.
You are the “nice” side of the creature Gollum, the side that simply enjoys being near the Ring. Unfortunately, it was stolen long ago.
Every even night you may submit a PM titled “NX-Distract <user>”. You will act playfully and foolishly around <user> all night, and <user> will be unable to perform any night actions.
Every odd night you may submit a PM titled “NX-Leading <user> into Shelob’s Cave”. If Shelob is in there she will surely feast on that person. If not, that person will probably just wander around aimlessly, unable to do anything that night. Note that Shelob will not harm one of her own nor are those familiar with her caves likely to be misled, and as such this action will have no effect on a member of the Forces of Sauron.
Since you seem so silly and foolish, it is easy to mistake you for a certain other near two-in-one small creature combo in Middle Earth on inspection...
Finally, you are two persons in one, and as such your vote counts for more than a normal person’s. Though not as much as two people because you are so small. Let’s make it 1.5 and call it even.
You win if Gollum, Walrein, wins.
When von died:Dear Walrein, you are Gollum.
It was yours, yes it was precious. Then that Bagginses STOLE it from us. Thieveses all of them. They will pay.
You travelled all the way to Mordor to find it. And you know what? Those filthy, stupid orcses mistook you for one of them! You know that all the filthy orcses have this role PM:
You have also received the orc team PM for the Forces of Sauron. Unfortunately, they have become aware of your presence and isolated their leaders away from the main group of orcs.
Every even night starting night 2 you may submit a PM titled “NX-Strangle <user>”. You will unleash your rage on <user> and kill <user>.
Every odd night you may submit a PM titled “NX-Game of riddles with <user>”. You will have a game of riddles with <user> all night and <user> will be unable to do anything that night.
Your vote is worth nothing in every daily lynch or orc ability voting.
You know that your other personality, Smeagol, is seeking the same thing as you (duh), and is vonFiedler.
Finally, if the Ring Bearer and all others in his immediate company were to perish, you would probably be the first person on the scene to recover your precious from those thieveses.
You win if you obtain the One Ring and eliminate any chance of it being stolen by thieveses again. To do this, kill everyone.
With the death of your more pitiably side, you have become even more enraged. You may now strangle someone and have a game of riddles with someone every night.
Finally, once in the game you may submit a PM titled “DX-<user> stole the ring>”. You will determine that <user> stole the ring and will publicly strangle that person at the conclusion of and in lieu of the lynch that day. Nothing can stop your rage in the sight of your precious.
You have also gained your other half's votes. You have a 1.5 vote.
You have finally obtained your precious! With it, you may submit up to three additional kills using your strangle action; these will bear a distinctive flavor from your normal kills, however. You may not use more than one kill on any individual night.
Additionally, the next time you die, you will simply lose the Ring (and the kills you obtained with it) rather than actually die.
Also while going through the PM conversation Pidge: mafia was surprised you didn't find this in #mambotime (while orcs were still separated from the high powers, which was how billymills had found out our alliance in bassgame and also because of DLE's reaction)Someone stabbed you with a Morgul Blade last night and as such you lost the Ring.
Fucking christ, you backstabbed us first. How can you still argue otherwise? Since the village doesn't know the situation and you didn't bother to explain it, I will. billy had the ability to change the orc chief at a moments notice, something that he kept hidden from all the leaders (and Snype) until he was thinking about using it. If you don't know already, the orc chief was the person who performed our backup hook and inspect. We also didn't know whether we could designate who could perform our kill once billy died, so all in all there was no reason not to do this. In the worst case scenario, it would make no strategic difference since again, we aren't killing you, just potentially preventing you from having too much influence over our night actions.I really would not call it a lie as much as they backstabbed me first, so I just made this game harder for them.
Oh boy. This is the real point that matters here because regardless of whatever else you say, there is no reason *not* to lynch you if I am telling the truth. While I will add the disclaimer that there is no way to 100% confirm that I am telling the truth, I will now post the full log of my conversation with Snype last night which contains several tidbits that more or less confirm that I am telling the truth. Here it is:Bass is lying about if the orc-bearer uses the kill, he loses the BPV.
Guess what, everything is a guessing game until the kingmaker scenario you desire is reached. If we don't kill you now, either we continue to play guessing games and hope another opportunity to lynch you opens up and we are at the same quandary as we are today (which we can't guarantee), or the village becomes kingmaker. In your defense that is something you need to do in order to win, but why the fuck should the village and I waste a lot more time when a chance for both of us to win is in clear sight right now?Needless to say, things are quite heated up between me and the mafia atm. I don't think I will allow 3 kills to go onto the village tonight. Granted, a situation exists where it could lead to the kingmaker scenario as I had mentioned in the PM with Bass, but for all those kills to happen, I'd have to play another guessing game because from the mafia's perspective they could choose to send both their kills on a villager or one onto me, ending me, and so long as I don't make a move that encourages them, they cannot try to kill me.
I told you over and over again in that log that we would idle. This is 100% your miscalculation. Deal with it.I played another RNG game last night between: guessing between killing a mafiaman, killing a villager, or idling. Idling had the consequence of being useful if mafia idled or killed a villager, but gave the mafia zero reason to not kill me as they would win. Sure they'd lose the lynch, but with the 2 kills, they'd actually be able to win the lynch. If I killed a villager, that would just give the mafia an easy victory had they thought of killing me, though if they had idled or killed a villager, that would make both our lives easier. If I killed one of them, it deterred them from killing me as it just means they lose today's lynch and very likely the game, though if they idled, we're in this situation today (however, I forgot to account for what happens if they idled their teamkill above) and if they killed a villager, it forced them to stay in.
I take it back, you are being petty. I figured your argument for why you deserved the win would have little to do with your play (since your amount of motivation to win was questionable given that you claimed to be willing to throw the game to us at one point, as well as your reasoning for stabbing us), and more to do with how sloppy my team played in the earlygame. But out of all the things you could have mentioned, this is it? For those unfamiliar with the context of this log, I was sending instructions to the orcs on who to vote for orc protect via PM. I meant to type that in our mafia channel but accidentally entered it into the bassgame when channel when Snype was on. This revealed to Snype that billy was one of our leaders, but it was completely irrelevant because (1) You would have found out anyway due to ipl's "im the traitor" stunt, and (2) even if you didn't find out directly, you would know due to our refusal to let you kill billy despite claiming a village power role in our conversations on the google doc. This was certainly my mistake, but it was a *mechanical* error. Having to manage all the bassgame secret channels and mafia channels (we had 3) is part of the reason the fourth task for the bassgame has been delayed. It is not really a factor now but given how much time I have put into this game since then (and these posts for that matter), it should be clear that I want to see this game through as soon as possible.Also while going through the PM conversation Pidge: mafia was surprised you didn't find this in #mambotime (while orcs were still separated from the high powers, which was how billymills had found out our alliance in bassgame and also because of DLE's reaction)
[23:35:16] <&Forte> anyway billy
[23:35:21] <&Forte> im sending out vote instructions
[23:35:54] <~Andrew> what?
I subbed into Day 1 with just the knowledge that I would get an interesting role and not being very experienced in NOC, took the time instead to just read through the multi-page thread that had currently amassed to be before I made any post to try to actually get reads. I was allowed OC contact with von to understand what was going on, but it just meant we tried to get reads on people. The only other thing I started to work with was that PM (in addition to mine/von’s role PMs).UncleSam said:You are the orcs, members of the forces of Sauron. Your goal is to aid your lord and master, Sauron, in conquering Middle Earth.
You are composed of: Acklow, imperfectluck, askaninjask, Walrein, soviet, Upside, x16bit, Blue_Tornado, Celever, and macle.
You may individually vote for a member of the Forces of Sauron to be immune to one kill or lynch over the upcoming cycle once every other night. In other words, the orcs may vote for one of you to become immune to one death between Day 2 and Night 2 on Night 1, but may not do so again on Night 2 if you did so on Night 1. A majority of the living orcs must cast a vote in order for this protection to come into place the next cycle.
Unfortunately, there is a traitor in your midst. As a result of this, the leaders of the Forces of Sauron have decided not to grace any of you with their identities. The only person who is in contact with them that you have knowledge of is your commander, Gothmog, who is: Bass. He is in contact with your master and his generals, and can alert you as to their commands.
You are allied with the Forces of Sauron. You win if all threats are eliminated.
Quoted for truth.[19:33] <&Blue_Tornado> next mafia should have anonymous chat over google hangout with masks
I don't know about billy, but I was definitely on to you. I suspected aska a little more because of ipl as well as his very aggressive posts against you, but we would have certainly figured out it was you had he died solely on the basis of you being the only other player besides aska who was competent enough to pull all of this off. The timing of ginga being on to you was coincidental. And again, I'd like to stress that having to contend with a wolf that could veto our night actions and out our entire team is a very dangerous thing. Turns out our worst fears came true anyway since the ring gave you an extra layer of protection that we did not know about! Compare that to a village that was superior in numbers but was very likely going to mislynch and had no power roles left at the time. I don't see how you can blame us for fearing you more in that situation.StevenSnype said:I maintained a disposition that the mafia could not at all determine who I was until I voluntarily gave myself up. Bass did nothing to help the mafia when billy’s tantrums happened and opted to placate him. He would not have known that askaninjask was the traitor until he sent someone to kill him himself when the village was obviously the larger threat due to how successful they were. The mafia were willing to shoot themselves in the foot much harder than what I had done.
Can you really say that you put more time into this game than me, and that you were motivated to win? Your points about not having a team are moot since that applies to any wolf. Also, by the second half of the game I was doing 95% of the work for my team, even after my death (most of my other teammates contributed very little after their deaths). Of course having to manage communication over the google doc as gollum was time consuming, and I know that you have lost sleep over this game. Guess what though? So have I! At one point I even took several days off of work for this. The point is, *both* of us put a substantial amount of time into this game. However, there is one key difference that I want to reiterate: I was 100% resolved to win from the start, no matter how shitty of a situation my team was in. On the other hand, you were not, and your actions were dictated out of spite.Most importantly, I had done most of this game by myself. Bass had a team to work with him until they had died off. Von was killed very early and did not really influence the rest of this game, as typical of any dead person. I spent more hours than Bass did to micromanage the timing of communication as well as planning out conversations, some of which I had to partake both sides of to prevent my identity from being disclosed.
So you are saying your reason for getting pissed was us taking a 100% win from you? If you were really serious about letting us win, why would this point matter? In order for us to win, it makes perfect sense to prevent you from 100% winning, doesn't it? I have said this over and over again, but why the fuck would anyone ever trust the wolf completely when he claims that he is willing to throw the game for you? To you, the only thing we could have done that would have made you was to comply with every single one of your demands. In other words, "It's ok if you guys win, but only if you do it in a way that has my complete approval". It is a ridiculous premise at best.Lynching Paperblade and getting the ring though motivated me to come back into the game with what was possible and had the mafia not killed me and done what they indicated they would do, I would have actually won this game. However, knowing that the mafia took away a 100% win from me regardless of whatever reason they had, I feel strongly pissed about it, partly because there was no trust when I had hoped there would have been and partly because it's a free win that was taken from me. I would not underestimate how much I am willing to risk myself losing at the sake of the mafia, considering the choice I had made last night, which put them in less favor of winning the game had they killed me.
This is the only point you made that matters here, but it is completely off the mark. If you are not lynched, then either macle gets lynched to remove the ring, or me or Upside to reduce our numbers to 5/2/1. Killing each other would be tantamount to suicide, isn't that obvious? What will actually happen is that both of us will kill a villager, bringing it to 3/2/1 or 3/3/1, which is dangerously close to the kingmaker scenario that you want. The difference is that this time, the village will not have control of the lynch, so the only chance for us to kill Snype would be to kill him ourselves, which would harder to pull off than lynching him right now. Villagers, do you really want to contend with this?From a practical standpoint of anyone that actually knows me, a crossfire is very likely. Take that over the RNG that the mafia want to play with you, which are already against your odds.