Thanks !Surf is for the mon we were just discussing!
Dazzling Gleam has no effect whatsoever on the Alakazam matchup really, Shadow Ball is scarier as it hits Mew harder but Snorlax will take anything Zam can do to it regardless.
Gleam is Zam’s typical 4th move so it can hit AMuk, Recover was popular earlier in the meta but has been declining in usage for the reason you said - Zam is really too frail to make the most effective use of it and would rather use free turns for CM.Thanks !
Well it just hits Dragonite, but even Psychic would destroy him at +1 so it's w/e, yeah. And I meant CM+Psychic+Shadowball+Dgleam, I personally prefer running this than Recover on something that takes more than 50% from almost anything. Mbe I'm using it wrong tho.
Wondering, is Mew more popular as a set-up sweeper or the more supportive build on Showdown ?
eMFay threw it away by switching out Mega Gyarados against last Pokemon Mew, switching in a sleeping Melmetal to allow Mew free setup on the guaranteed sleep turn. Both players made mistakes (no idea why Zapdos didn't U-Turn instead of switching directly to Eevee?), and this battle is anecdotal evidence in any case. Mew sus may happen, but this battle doesn't add anything to the debate.
If you're going to seriously use Parasect, at least run a Jolly nature to outspeed Melmetal. Beingfast enough to Spore the most common Pokemon in the metagame is at least a unique niche. I've seen a few Parasects on Showdown, but it's really disappointing when my Melmetal is faster.
Spore/Stun Spore/Leech Seed/Leech Life is worthy of D rank. It survives a hit from Mega Gyarados and Jolly Parasect is faster than paralysed neutral speed variants. It also survives an unboosted Psychic from Mega Alakazam and always KOs with Leech Life after Stealth Rock, which would be hilarious to witness.
ETA: apparently C- is the new D rank, and all ranks are inflated in comparison to older generational rank definitions, which explains why I think a lot of Pokemon are currently ranked too highly.
There's already a ladder, so not sure what you mean there, but analyses will be coming as soon as we think we're ready!Will there be a ladder in the future with suggested move sets in true Smogon fashion? Or is this thread it?
Tier 0 (Fastest to >+Spe Base 109)
314 / Dodrio / 110 / +Spe / +2
276 / Arcanine / 95 / +Spe / +2
266 / Venomoth / 90 / +Spe / +2
252 / Arcanine / 95 / Neutral / +2
220 / Dragonite / 80 / Neutral / +2
216 / Cloyster / 70 / +Spe / +2
205 / Aerodactyl-Mega, Alakazam-Mega / 150 / +Spe / 0
199 / Venomoth / 90 / +Spe / +1
181 / Aerodactyl, Gengar-Mega / 130 / +Spe / 0
180 / Omastar / 55 / +Spe / +2
169 / Alakazam, Pikachu-Starter / 120 / +Spe / 0
164 / Omastar / 55 / Neutral / +2
163 / Persian-Alola, Starmie / 115 / +Spe / 0
157 / Dodrio, Gengar, Raichu-Alola, Tauros / 110 / +Spe / 0
Tier 1 (+Spe Base 109 to >+Spe Base 76)
156 / Ninetales-Alola / 109 / +Spe / 0
151 / Rapidash / 105 / +Spe / 0
145 / Charizard-Mega-X, Charizard-Mega-Y, Mew, Ninetales, Zapdos / 100 / +Spe / 0
139 / Arcanine / 95 / +Spe / 0
133 / Moltres, Venomoth / 90 / +Spe / 0
132 / Mew / 100 / Neutral / 0
129 / Hitmonlee / 87 / +Spe / 0
127 / Articuno, Nidoking / 85 / +Spe / 0
126 / Arcanine / 95 / Neutral / 0
122 / Gyarados, Gyarados-Mega / 81 / +Spe / 0
121 / Dragonite, Kabutops, Venusaur-Mega / 80 / +Spe / 0
118 / Blastoise-Mega / 78 / +Spe / 0
117 / Raticate-Alola / 77 / +Spe / 0
Tier 2 (+Spe Base 76 to >-Spe Base 78)
116 / Nidoqueen / 76 / +Spe / 0
114 / Eevee-Starter / 75 / +Spe / 0
111 / Gyarados, Gyarados-Mega / 81 / Neutral / 0
110 / Dragonite, Venusaur-Mega / 80 / Neutral / 0
108 / Cloyster, Poliwrath / 70 / +Spe / 0
107 / Blastoise-Mega / 78 / Neutral / 0
105 / Nidoqueen / 76 / Neutral / 0
104 / Eevee-Starter / 75 / Neutral / 0
102 / Sandslash, Sandslash-Alola / 65 / +Spe / 0
99 / Poliwrath / 70 / Neutral / 0
Tier 3 (-Spe Base 78 to everything slower)
97 / Blastoise-Mega / 78 / -Spe / 0
93 / Sandslash, Sandslash-Alola / 65 / Neutral / 0
90 / Machamp, Omastar / 55 / +Spe / 0
88 / Clefable / 60 / Neutral / 0
82 / Machamp, Omastar / 55 / Neutral / 0
77 / Chansey, Muk-Alola / 50 / Neutral / 0
71 / Exeggutor-Alola, Golem / 45 / Neutral / 0
69 / Muk-Alola / 50 / -Spe / 0
66 / Rhydon / 40 / Neutral / 0
59 / Melmetal / 34 / Neutral / 0
55 / Slowbro-Mega / 30 / Neutral / 0
Mega Slowbro is best used as a tank, seeing as it doesn't have much luck pulling its weight as a setup sweeper in the current meta. It's possibly the best switchin to Melmetal which is pretty valuable, so it definitely has merit.has anyone made mega-slowbro work consistently? and what reliably checks starmie and mega-venusaur?
Mega Gengar is an interesting check to Mega Venusaur as well. It can come in on a Mega Drain, throw up a sub to block Leech Seed, and fire off at least two free attacks as Mega Drain or Sludge Bomb won't break the sub.Mega Slowbro is best used as a tank, seeing as it doesn't have much luck pulling its weight as a setup sweeper in the current meta. It's possibly the best switchin to Melmetal which is pretty valuable, so it definitely has merit.
Starmie, as most offensive Psychic types are, is checked defensively by Alolan Muk and Snorlax. Zapdos can take a hit and retaliate with Thunderbolt, as can Pokés like Mega Gyarados. Mega Gengar, Alakazam and Beedrill all offensively check Starmie very well. There are more examples, but I don't feel like listing absolutely everything.
Mega Venusaur is checked best by hitting it hard, and by things that can heal off Leech Seed. Examples include Mega Alakazam, Mew, Zapdos to some extent, Dragonite and other such mons. The main thing is Mew, which will easily deal with any set that doesn't have Toxic and also happens to be extremely popular.
Mewtwo can't just be chipped at with SE moves, you need 2 sure fire counters or more. Or a whole team of checks. Especially if you lose a mon to the obscurish X Two. Just the Meta man.Hey Everyone, it's been a very, very long time since I've played any Pokémon (2008...) but Let's Go has dragged me in a little. However, being out of the game for a little while means that the first few match ups I've tried haven't yielded much success, unfortunately.
Reading through this thread and the limited online sources for teams have made that I've "built" a basic team (on Switch) of Aerodactyl, Zapdos, Alakazam, Muk-A, Gyarados and Melmetal but I'm struggling a little with certain things.
I'm leaning towards Nidoqueen instead of Aerodactyl because other Zapdos, but to be honest I'm struggling with other Zapdos', as well as Melmetal and funnily enough, the huge number of Mewtwo that are in play. I'm told that Muk-A is THE mew two check, but he dies easily.
What tips and strategies would you recommend? And what nature/set for a Nidoqueen? I'm assuming you'd want EQ/Stealth Rock and some poison on it?
I personally wouldn't bother preparing for Mewtwo; there's no obligation for playing out the games versus it and nothing punishing you for leaving, so I'd recommend just doing that and not ruining your team to deal with it.I'm leaning towards Nidoqueen instead of Aerodactyl because other Zapdos, but to be honest I'm struggling with other Zapdos', as well as Melmetal and funnily enough, the huge number of Mewtwo that are in play. I'm told that Muk-A is THE mew two check, but he dies easily.