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Hey guys, I've been meaning to post here for a while, but I think I'm finally ready. I'm gay. I've been struggling to accept this fact internally all of my life, but I think I'm finally ready to do that. I've known this in the back of my mind for almost all of my life. I tried tons of things to try to be straight. Prayer, dating girls, watching lesbian porn like some straight guys do (that didnt last long lol,,,) but nothing worked. I attempted suicide in early 2015, and even then I tried to tell people in real life that the only reason was that I was depressed, but it really was mostly because I knew that I could never live a normal and happy life. Spending time in the hospital and other programs really helped me, as a lot of the other mental health patients were LGBTQ and were all so supportive of me and everyone else, even though none of them knew I was gay. I tried telling some people there that I was asexual or something if they asked, but I think most people could see through that. (its definitely not true, im fairly certain that i really like dick lmao)

The joke-homophobia that I experienced in PS staff 2014 really made being gay feel like more of a taboo, and I repressed the fact that I was gay for even longer. All of it was light hearted, but it made it a lot harder for me personally to accept the fact that I was gay and even more so to come out to anyone. When I returned to PS, a few people in a certain group of friends just automatically assumed I was gay and I just went with it, and I've never felt more like myself. I'm very grateful to the people who made that assumption because it made me come closer to realizing it myself.

I feel like a huge weight is lifted off of my shoulders, and it's great to get this off of my chest and be honest with everyone. The few people who I've told have already been very supportive and it means a lot to me. I know coming out on a Pokemon site online may not seem like a huge deal, but it's a tremendously large step for me. I'm definitely not anywhere close to coming out to anyone in real life yet, but I hope to get there soon. Thanks everyone for listening to my rambling.
 
Skitty I'm so glad that all you've been through can be relieved somewhat by unburdening yourself here. Having somewhere you're allowed to not be repressed even just mentally can be vital, consciously acknowledging something you tried everything to deny is tremendous. Online communities can be critical launch pads in this process and I'm just sorry the things happened that they did that you couldn't be here before. But now you are I hope you'll be able to find even more support and security in yourself. Please take care <3 A normal and happy life is absolutely within your reach and this is one step towards that!

runbabyrun I agree with Scyther, but thinking and discussing it might help you reach a conclusion. In that spirit, it's great you have your mom on your side. Immediate safety doesn't seem to be an imperative at home etc. for you so I'll skip those warnings? Coming out 'properly' can be a big relief for 'getting it over with' and help you get support on your side. For a long time I pretty much just only disclosed if asked or it was relevant, but one thing I didn't like about that is that control over timing was seized from me since people assumed it was okay to bring up everywhere. On the other hand, if it's more your style, it's certainly more relaxing and easy to discuss situationally. You can always take the compromise option and formally come out to some people and just leave it on a disclosure basis at some places etc.! glgl
 
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Frontline: Growing Up Trans

Recently watched this documentary. I don't like how the interviewed kids are all from quite priviledged households and overall comparatively enlightened parents (even the more conservative ones are relatively more accepting), giving the documentary a pretty narrow view-- but it's upfront, genuine, and tackles the difficult topics around youth hormone use - as a societal question, issues facing parents and kids, and the individual experience.

Like most PBS docs, I liked it and found it informative.
 
I wanted to see if anyone here could give me some advice :)

I have already come out to my mom and a couple of close friends. I'm starting to wonder if I should just casually come out to other people, too. I am a bit feminine so I don't think it would be a huge shock or whatever, and I don't think many people would care, I'm just wonder if it's what I should do.

I'm not thinking of making a formal announcement or whatever, I'm just thinking that if someone asks me like "hey, are you gay?" I can just casually say yes to them.

I started thinking more about this since one of my old classmate's is out at his new school and I'm kinda jealous since I want to be able to be as comfortable as he is and not have to worry about everything I say (in terms of who I would date, what I find attractive, etc.)

Thanks!
Who you're attracted to is your business, nobody else's. You don't need to come out to anyone; if you're doing it to feel more comfortable about yourself then go for it, but just don't feel like you owe it to anyone to come out to them. I can tell you from experience that people will definitely start treating you differently if you are openly gay, and it's usually just annoying stuff like girls asking you to go shopping with them (lol). As long as you are genuine and comfortable with yourself, it might just make things more complicated to come out to certain people you don't care that much about honestly. That said, it's all up to personal preference so if you already have an idea of what will make you happier, definitely do that.
 
Hello there, so I've read some messages there and decided to talk about my personal experience here.

First of all, I'm a gay dude, but also muslim, which is kind of hard because most of muslims are not okay with homosexuality, even my parents.
During my whole life, I felt that I was not attracted by girls, only by men, but I was lying to myself, saying that it's not true, that I'm straight and being gay is not okay. I was hating myself and was thinking that I'm special. Not in a good way, in a terrible way. My parents are against homosexuality and the country where I live right now is not okay with it neither.
But you know, at the end of the day, I was thinking "Why am I hating myself? Is it going to make me change? Am I going to turn straight?" I realized that it was clearly impossible. I was born like this, made no choice except from being myself. I finally accepted myself, even if I still can't come out to my parent, I will one day, whenever I'll be fully independant, I will tell everyone.
I know that so many people are feeling the same way, but are hating themselves and don't want to accept it. If you are reading this: please, love yourself. You are not going to change anything by "acting" straight and hating yourself. If you can't come out to your parents or your friends, fine, wait. One day you will. But for now, just love yourself. It's the most important thing, you need to accept it and to understand that you just can't change your sexuality. You were born with it, you didn't chose it.
If you are accepting it and embracing who you are : you are brave, truly brave. If some "muslims" are insulting you for being who you really are, just don't listen to them. Is God sending them to shame you because of your sexuality? No. God would never. They are the problem, not you.
One day you'll be totally free, you'll embrace yourself and accept it.
I started to come out to my close PS! friends, now I'm doing this post, and one day I will come out to everyone out there in the real world.
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Thanks for reading, I hope this will help you.
I'm not sure where you actually live, and I won't ask.
However, I would like to make a point of asking you to check this list before publicly coming out.
Because you did say you are Muslim, I wanted to make sure that you find out if LGBTs are illegal in your country, in order to prevent endangerment (not hating on your religion, it's just that homosexuality is punishable by death in many sharia law countries)

I 100% support you on whatever choice you make, I just want to make sure that you know what challenges you may face by coming out. It's really a shame that I even have to warn you tbh, injustices against LGBT people sicken me.
 
So, I realized that I was a panromantic pansexual about a year ago. On top of that, I don't identify comfortably as a guy or girl, despite being physically male. I hope that explains why I left my gender unspecific for about half a year. I'm not going to leave a lengthy backstory as to how or why I figured this out, but have simply realized that I just love people.

My default pronouns are they and them, but I really don't mind being misgendered by people on the Internet. I intend to keep self-restraint when dealing with people on here, DeviantArt, and other places.

EDIT: Gender identity complications are also the reason that I use "fellow user" as a term of endearment on places like Smogon. The term doesn't affiliate with gender, so I just use that.
 
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So, I guess it's good that the buzz about me has worn off.

I was straight, and one of those ultra-conservative people who thinks that there is a fine-line between black and white. As such, for a time, I was a hardcore homophobic. I thought that same-sex marriage was a joke, and that it was faked and went against the laws of nature. I was an active bully against those who were gay, and took no remorse in it.

Until recently, I realized that I was bisexual. I realized this a few days ago when I was looking at a group of boys with a newfound romantic interest.

Then I started to gain empathy that it wasn't fake, and people couldn't help it. But what goes around comes around, and before I knew it, I battled a Brain tumor, found out that I was attracted to both sexes, and was bullied. For the most part, I think that I deserve it.

For a long time, I felt no feelings. I felt a slight romantic tension for the same gender, but I tried to ignore it for most of my adolescent. Now, as a 23 year old who has recently been shunned after being accused of lying about a brain tumor to summon a strong emotional reaction, I realize that I cannot hold it in anymore. But I can't do it. I can't come out.

I'm a horrible person for thinking this, but I don't have the strength in me to tell my friends that I like both boys and girls, and that I can somehow hyperfocus on female gender and try to ignore my other desires. I try to tell no one about it.

But for what it's worth, I'm saying it here, because it is unlikely that anyone here will physically affect my life. This thread seems very good, so why not start here. Thanks and good night
 
Alright so I guess I want to ask for just tips here. I've just been extremely confused as to what my orientation is and what I should label myself as. I'm fine with my gender orientation (I'm a guy), but yet I have different kind of feelings for both genders. I have a fetish that involves guys (that Id rather not share here), but it's not in a way that I'd want to have sexual relations with one, but I still find them physically attractive. I also have physical and sexual attraction towards girls. I want to say bisexual but I don't know if that's what I'd want to call myself as. It's hard since I have a sexuality that "isn't the norm" and I'm having a hard time labeling myself and if I should disclose it to my family and friends and all that. Thanks for listening to my rambling. :P
 

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It's so weird growing up with the force of "I want kids" and "You'll like a guy someday" when I really never have. I've tried a lot to like the opposite gender, but usually it's not the same. A lot of the guys I've met aren't that nice, and the one time I did feel strong emotion for the opposite gender, my heart was broken. I've accepted that I love girls, and find them beautiful in every way. Still, it's rather hard when my own family will say they are accepting, and then lash out at me the next day.

The other day, I made a joke about how my 3 year old brother will grow up to be a proud gay boy, and my mother lashed out at me saying, "She wanted grandkids and it was obvious I wasn't going to have any because I decided Girls were better." This really hit hard, because she has always been (or seemingly been) accepting of my sexuality, and the statement was a simple joke, I even had the tone to my voice to show this. A few days later, I was sitting in my Band class, alone, since very few people in there I talk to were interested in mingling with me, and I heard some kids from behind me start to chuckle and laugh at me because they found out I was gay.

It really hurts when you try to be a cheerful person and act like you don't care what others say, and keep on the mask. Or, when your own friends who are the same gender shun you because they're afraid "you might be gay for them". It's really awful. It's also pretty bad when you look at a girl, and say she's beautiful, and she takes it as a compliment and brushes it off as you simply being nice.

I keep trying to accept that, I am indeed, gay, but it seems that everyone is trying to shove heterosexuality down my throat. Even a couple of my friends will send me inappropriate pictures of males, and I'll state that I am not interested, but they continue it anyway. It also sucks when you like a male character, to the point of favoritism, and your friends will insist you want to engage in intercourse with them. But when you deny it, they laugh and say you're lying. It also makes you feel rather guilty for coming to terms with your own emotions, and makes you want to shut it all away and stop functioning permanently. It really sucks.


Alright so I guess I want to ask for just tips here. I've just been extremely confused as to what my orientation is and what I should label myself as. I'm fine with my gender orientation (I'm a guy), but yet I have different kind of feelings for both genders. I have a fetish that involves guys (that Id rather not share here), but it's not in a way that I'd want to have sexual relations with one, but I still find them physically attractive. I also have physical and sexual attraction towards girls. I want to say bisexual but I don't know if that's what I'd want to call myself as. It's hard since I have a sexuality that "isn't the norm" and I'm having a hard time labeling myself and if I should disclose it to my family and friends and all that. Thanks for listening to my rambling. :P
It is quite the normal thing to be attracted to both genders, you may be sexually attracted to one more than the other, but romantically attracted vice versa. It would be consider Bisexuality, since bisexual is the liking of each gender.

You also might be Demisexual, which means you would not want to engage in sexual acts unless a strong bond is formed within the relationship. It could be a combination of Demisexuality and Biromanticism.
 
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hi

So I've been a bit quiet for the past month or so (I think it's been that long). I want to start out with saying that I have come out to my family and am starting to come out to a lot more of my friends. You guys might have seen my CT and stuff since then, but yeah now I'm officially stating it.

So it started on May ninth. I was in a call with Zangooser and (i think) Joshz at the time, and I was just typing up random stuff about how I would like to come out. Keep in mind that two days earlier I was talking about a "girl" that I thought was attractive and accidentally slipped and used "he" instead of "she" when I wanted to say "She's really nice." My mom said "what?" in a concerned way and I said "Just kidding! I meant she!" Anyways, yeah on May 9, 2016, I came out to my mom, and since then I have come out to numerous family members and friends. In general the result of doing so was positive, or so I thought. My mom wrote me a letter saying how she was proud of me being her son and stuff, but then it happened. About two weeks ago my mom and dad discussed about how my sexuality would affect the family's view on our family, and since they think that's so important, they removed me from my house for about a week, which was a partial contribution to my sudden inactivity for a few days. Obviously they let me back in, or else I wouldn't be able to type up this post. Anyways, last week or so, I went to my first family gathering since I had came out, and it sucked. My grandparents and aunts and uncles were staring at me really weirdly and asked and told me stupid stuff like "Are you sure you're gay?", "Our relationship will forever be different now.", and "It's just a phase, you'll grow out of it." Basically, they don't accept me anymore and I am only showing up to family gatherings now solely because my entire family is forced to go. This isn't really the way I think anyone would have liked their coming out to go, but since I came out, I am a lot less depressed, confident, and just happy in general.

The girl I was dating now knows that I am gay and understands why I was staying in a relationship with her, we're still on good terms again (I think). In fact, I actually have a boyfriend right now too! How I have one in just like two and a half weeks of coming out shocks me, but yeah. Thank you Albert. steelskitty Eevee General starry blanket wishes Scyther NO Swiping Reisen Inaba Zangooser and to a lesser extent baconbagon Peef Rimgar The Dutch Plumberjack tcr (if you don't remember and/or know why I'm tagging any of you I can refresh) for helping me solve my problems and just being general support for me, and I'm proud of you Sparkl3y Miang Cheryl. Skitty and anyone else I missed for being you! :)

bye (also there might be some details I missed but I'm typing this at 3 am)
 
I'm very proud of you, Rhythms I'm glad you found a boyfriend, and that the girl you mentioned understands the situation. Sorry to hear that you don't feel accepted by your family, though. Had I been able to reveal myself as pan, my parents would have done the same thing.

Speaking of pansexuality, it seems that many people don't seem to know what that is, confusing it for bisexuality in the process.
 

Subjugator

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Rhythms in a way, we're also part of your family. And I think that I speak for everyone here when I say that we accept you.

Well Cheryl. you changed your username already but for a while I was thinking, wouldn't the name "CherylCreature" be cool? It follows the same pattern as "BrandonBeast" but it's your choice so whatever
 

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Hi everyone c:

First, I'd like to say how amazed I am at all the courageous stories I've read in here and that they make me feel like my personal history really can't compare, since throughout my life, mostly everyone I've met has been accepting of my sexuality, even the people I went to church with before moving, and the people I go to church with now (Well, they were accepting of it to my face, at least). Since everyone's been more or less neutral to what I am, I haven't really had much to go off of when it came to sexuality, that being said, I should probably tell my story just so you can kinda sorta get an idea of what my problem is.

So, I guess it all really started in elementary school; everyone was getting into more teenage things by 4th and 5th grade, particularly relationships. Relationships back then weren't really relationships, more of some guy hanging out with some girl and them acting all flirty together in front of everyone to make sure everyone knew they were together. I, personally, just wanted to sit in the corner and play video games, but since my parents didn't let me bring electronics to school, I couldn't do that, so I had to sit there and absorb the bad influences that these people around me were giving off. Like I said, I had a high preference towards video games, and because of that, I didn't really get to have all that many female friends, hardly any of them had interest in those, and because of this, I was left with mostly guys as my grouping of friends, many of which were obnoxious pricks and pervs that only ever wanted to talk about sports and girls; thankfully none of the sports talk imprinted onto me, but since I had literally no idea what relationships and such were, the things they told me kinda just molded my basis interpretation for how they should work. I tried asking about relationships with boys before, but since I had only boys to talk to, they didn't really know what to say, and were against even thinking about it, since being "gay" or a "gaywad" back then was a horrible thing to be, and I had legitimately thought that that was something to avoid, since I didn't know any better. I never asked my parents anything, since after an incident in around 2nd grade or so where my father snapped at me, calling me stupid when trying to get his attention to ask him something while he was watching his football game or something, it led to me being afraid of upsetting my parents like that ever again, so yeah, I never really got many life lessons from my parents, other than them trying to mold me as to what I "should" and "shouldn't" be, but this is an entirely different issue that doesn't relate to the LGBTQ realm, so, I won't focus on that.

Life continued relatively fine for me from there, until middle school came around where health classes came and I learned that it's actually supposed to be "normal" for girls to be in relationships with guys, rather than females, and that that was how children are created. It never really sunk in that I was "supposed" to be attracted to boys this whole time, so I tried to force it to see how it would go, even though I was mostly attracted to girls, since that was how I had thought it was supposed to be until school taught me otherwise. Guys were always ready to hook up with girls, so I was in no shortage of options when it came to being courted. I generally didn't care all that much and still focused on my video games, until Valentine's Day in 7th grade, where I got a valentine from a guy I was acquainted with; he thought I was cute and wanted to go on a date with me, and since I had nothing to do with my time other than play video games, I figured "why not". It was my first date ever, so it was the one date that would mold how I felt about all dates, and it was a simple trip to the movies and then an ice cream place before we all went back to my house and just kinda hung out for a while until it started getting dark out. He and I never really talked much, we just played whatever video game I had that he thought would be fun. I never really grew to like him as a relationship partner, and nor did he towards me, but I still had a good time, so I kinda figured that all dates were like this, regardless of who they were with, so I kinda grew adjusted towards being able to date anyone, regardless of gender. The only terms I knew for sexuality back then were straight and gay, so the way I decided to describe myself was curvy, since it's kinda sorta an opposite of straight, but at the same time not gay, since I had never even heard of the terms bisexual or pansexual :p

Life was going pretty well from there, until sometime in 8th grade, about a little bit after spring break, a very bad incident happened between me and a male student whom I had met before but never really interacted with; I'd rather not go into detail with what happened, but simply put, I needed a break from guys afterwards. I was able to find contentment with my friends, but unfortunately, it wasn't meant to last. My father had gotten a new job in a relatively far away place; it was still in the same state, but far enough away for the new location to feel like a completely different world from what I had gotten used to. I had a lot of short term friends, but nobody I could really call a companion, so I mainly just used video games to fill the void that was left when I had to move away from my super close circle of friends I had back at my previous home. It was also at this time that I was introduced to being online, thanks to the school providing laptops for the students to use, and sooner or later, once I had established my existence on the internet, I became exposed to the overwhelming presence of gross guys online that wanted nothing other than to objectify women, which really didn't help how I felt about men as a whole. It mainly ended up being the lesbian/bisexual community on Google+ that embraced me, and it actually felt nice to be a part of something, so I fell mainly into the state of being a lesbian for a long while, no longer wanting anything to do in terms of romance with men. I had a large amount of failed crushes and failed relationships throughout my years in high school, which didn't really help my depression, and it was my depression that eventually started making me think that I may not be suited for anyone, and that was the mentality I had for the longest time, until 11th grade, where other women actually began to be attracted to me, which, at the time, was one of the most unusual things I had ever experienced. Unfortunately, most of them were just trying to look for hookups rather than full-on relationships, which weren't really what I was looking for, but it was nonetheless a much-needed boost to my self esteem that gave me the strength to power through the remainder of high school.

I never really became what I would like to consider mentally mature until by the time I got out of high school, where life hit me like a bus. Thankfully, my parents are providing the finances I need for college and everything else, as well as a roof over my head. But, anyways, I'm going to ITT Tech now, and it's a wonderful program, but if there's one thing I could complain about, it's the lack of human interaction; pretty much all I get to do within the school is go to classes and that's about it, the classes are pretty small too, which doesn't help. So I'm kinda just isolated from the real world around me right now while I learn how to code using various languages and do html and stuff. Currently, I feel kinda neutral to everything, and it's just like, once you spend a good year or so not having to care about who you're with, or how you feel about people, you kinda just lose sight to what you know about yourself. After taking a good long while of consideration, I find myself being between a mix of being aromantic, asexual, demisexual, potentially gender fluid, gynesexual/femmesexual, and mostly, questioning. When people ask what I am, or something to the extent in which I have to say what my sexuality is, I usually just say I'm a lesbian, even though I haven't been romantically involved in a lesbian relationship since high school. I mean, I'm still physically attracted to women and feminine qualities in general, but like, I haven't really felt love for anyone for a long time. So it's like, I like women and people that come off as feminine, but I don't ever think of them romantically, I guess? I don't know... I've just been confused about what I am lately, and was hoping you guys could help me out, give me some advice, or something.

And ultimately, even if I don't get anything all that helpful, it still feels loads better to get that off of my chest :) all that has been bubbling around inside me for the longest time, I swear, and I'm grateful for having this thread full of hopefully understanding people that would actually be happy to help.
 

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Thanks a ton steelskitty c:

I've more or less always just stuck to being myself after getting out of high school, but it's just in my nature to pursue things I don't really understand until I get some kind of closure, then I can just move on with life.
And I don't really like to use terms to define myself, but there's not really a better way to communicate how I feel without just blatantly saying "I like butts". Hopefully I'll find a way someday to be able to communicate how I feel without needing to use subjective terms that only ever mean what the interpreter wants them to mean. Hopefully by then I'll have a snuggle buddy, too ;w;
 
wow i can't believe this is a thing and that it seems so casual. I'm not really out except to a few specific people and I could never find the courage to come out even on completely anonymous platforms (probably because of social anxiety, depression, or some other unrelated reason). I'm gay, i guess

so this is just a ramble of all my thoughts

I actually did come out to my mom well over a year ago (january 3rd 2015) and she was crying and saying all the typical "why are you like this" and "what is wrong with you", and i just think my family situation is just too.. idk volatile? There's too much going on and I don't want to pull myself to the center of it all because I hate being the topic of discussion. So coming out to family isn't really an option, but I'd like for my outside life to change. I just graduated and only my best friend knows I'm gay, but we don't talk much bc I'm a pretty antisocial person when it comes to real people. I'm starting a summer program in July and I'd like to be out to everyone there but the issue is that I'm acquainted with a few people attending (meaning they know my friends that I'm not out to).

There's also (San Francisco) pride at the end of this month and I would really love to go, but I'm really uncomfortable being alone and my best friend has really conservative parents and might not be able to go with me. I went last year and it was awful because I had straight friends who went, and they were a whole group while I was on my own, and the fact that they were straight meant they didn't have to worry about being queer (i mean they could have fun, but didn't have to deal with the detriments that come with actually being queer).

i just think it really sucks that I grew up in San Francisco and the environment I've been around wasn't really welcoming to gay teens

TLDR; im out but not out, and lowkey (jk, highkey) looking for friends to talk to ;) because i need more gay friends
 
Ok so I've finally come to the conclusion that I'm bisexual. There aren't any other labels that fit me well enough. The trouble comes by that even though I haven't really told anyone, so many people think that it's "just a phase", or that "you're either gay or straight and you eventually pick a side". It's just hard to feel comfortable when bisexuality has these kinds of feelings towards it.
 

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i see a bunch of posts in this thread about it, so i was wondering if it were possible to open up the discussion a little more. i wanted to know what people think of the split attraction model (like that you're heterosexual but homoromantic, for example). i personally dislike it, because i think that a lot of times it's used in the case of same gender sexual attraction, and imo the idea of not being sexually attracted to the same gender is a lot of times influenced by society.

like, i identify as bisexual now but for a really long time it was easy to just be like "well i would theoretically date a girl but i don't have any sexual desire for girls" because of things i subconsciously felt due to societal pressures to conform. and then there's the opposite case, where people would have sexual encounters with someone of the same gender but wouldn't date them, which to me feels like it just contributes to the over-sexualization of the lgbt community.

i definitely want to hear what other people have to say though, like i said i wanted to discuss it. in my opinion though splitting sexual and romantic attraction can be harmful, especially when it comes to identifying same-sex attraction, because i think it contributes to a lot of stereotypes/stigmas that lgbt people face.
 
I don't have much to offer, but I thought (from media) San Francisco had a pretty big gay community? I'm sorry you can't be out with your family, I know how much that sucks :/
It does, I guess I'm salty that it wasn't that accessible for me despite growing up here. I did do an internship that exposed me to the community, but everyone in the program agreed that the Castro was mainly for cis gay white men in their 20s to 30s. And you kinda have to seek the community out, otherwise it's like it's not really there. Maybe other people have different experiences, though.
 
i see a bunch of posts in this thread about it, so i was wondering if it were possible to open up the discussion a little more. i wanted to know what people think of the split attraction model (like that you're heterosexual but homoromantic, for example). i personally dislike it, because i think that a lot of times it's used in the case of same gender sexual attraction, and imo the idea of not being sexually attracted to the same gender is a lot of times influenced by society.

like, i identify as bisexual now but for a really long time it was easy to just be like "well i would theoretically date a girl but i don't have any sexual desire for girls" because of things i subconsciously felt due to societal pressures to conform. and then there's the opposite case, where people would have sexual encounters with someone of the same gender but wouldn't date them, which to me feels like it just contributes to the over-sexualization of the lgbt community.

i definitely want to hear what other people have to say though, like i said i wanted to discuss it. in my opinion though splitting sexual and romantic attraction can be harmful, especially when it comes to identifying same-sex attraction, because i think it contributes to a lot of stereotypes/stigmas that lgbt people face.
I think it's fine and I feel like "it's Problematic to separate these things because of X and Y, even if it's useful" is... kind of a weak justification for not using a thing, honestly. I mean, yeah, I think it's generally undeniable that society influences a lot about who we're attracted to and how we react to that, but... the way I see it, not a whole lot you can do about that beyond growing and learning more about yourself, and I think being able to separate sexual and romantic attractions helps with learning about yourself. Even if the things you learn about yourself are Problematique because you're a bi-something hetero-something, or whatever.

Anyway, it seems like setting up a really needless comparison between split attraction and non re: stereotypes and stigmas you get for identifying as not-straight. Like... even without the model, there are countless dudes who identify as straight but fuck men on the regular and see no contradiction there. I feel like split attraction could at least get some people thinking that 'oh hey, my sexuality isn't straight, I'm just a heteroromantic', or whatever. I mean, I doubt it, that level of denial is generally hard to break and very few people outside of the asexual community and people who use the tumbls and/or do Discourse on the regular even know about the split attraction model, but my point is mostly that it doesn't cause these stigmas and (imo anyway) doesn't really contribute to them any more than people just generally existing in a homophobic world does. I don't think it's harmful, and I think it's pretty damn useful, honestly. Has been for me, anyway, though this may be because we're coming at it from different angles. Bisexual/homoromantic, gay identity, split attraction helps me succinctly explain why I've always called myself gay despite the whole sex-with-women dealio. Or at least it would if anyone outside of the internet actually knew about the model.
 
I see about 10 times more male gay couples hanging out than female lesbian couples, its like, i only saw a single lesbian couple holding hands this year, like for real, is it that hard for females to embrace their homosexuality ?
it could be, given the absurd amount of lesbian porn vids.
 
i'd say that's just the environment(s) you've been in this year. in my high school, for instance, it feels like every other girl considers herself to be bisexual or lesbian but i've only seen perhaps 5 boys who comfortably admit they'd do it with another boy. location and age range can play a big part in how harsh the stigma against the LGBT community is.
I agree that environment plays a big part. Throughout middle and high school I haven't seen a single gay couple, but I have seen a few lesbian couples. Plus I have way more girl gay friends than guy gay friends. There are many factors that play into it.
 

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wow i can't believe this is a thing and that it seems so casual. I'm not really out except to a few specific people and I could never find the courage to come out even on completely anonymous platforms (probably because of social anxiety, depression, or some other unrelated reason). I'm gay, i guess

so this is just a ramble of all my thoughts

I actually did come out to my mom well over a year ago (january 3rd 2015) and she was crying and saying all the typical "why are you like this" and "what is wrong with you", and i just think my family situation is just too.. idk volatile? There's too much going on and I don't want to pull myself to the center of it all because I hate being the topic of discussion. So coming out to family isn't really an option, but I'd like for my outside life to change. I just graduated and only my best friend knows I'm gay, but we don't talk much bc I'm a pretty antisocial person when it comes to real people. I'm starting a summer program in July and I'd like to be out to everyone there but the issue is that I'm acquainted with a few people attending (meaning they know my friends that I'm not out to).

There's also (San Francisco) pride at the end of this month and I would really love to go, but I'm really uncomfortable being alone and my best friend has really conservative parents and might not be able to go with me. I went last year and it was awful because I had straight friends who went, and they were a whole group while I was on my own, and the fact that they were straight meant they didn't have to worry about being queer (i mean they could have fun, but didn't have to deal with the detriments that come with actually being queer).

i just think it really sucks that I grew up in San Francisco and the environment I've been around wasn't really welcoming to gay teens

TLDR; im out but not out, and lowkey (jk, highkey) looking for friends to talk to ;) because i need more gay friends
You'll be amazed as you experience more throughout your life just how casual sexuality becomes. When I was in high school, my sexuality was not uncommonly either the topic of conversation or something people constantly asked about. When you're younger and especially when you're in school, you're surrounded with a bunch of other people who are also trying to figure it all out, whether that means they are questioning or have questioned their own sexuality or have had limited experiences with gay people. It's not something that's isolated to sexuality either; any minority group is going to experience a lot of both positive and negative ignorance at a younger age because people within those groups are not as easily understood due to an overall lack of exposure. As an example, my sister-in-law was at work talking to a black friend, and another friend of hers casually joined in the conversation and asked him if most of his other friends were colored as well. He was rightfully seething, but the person who asked is fairly sheltered and didn't know any better than not to 1. ask if a black person mostly hangs out with other black people and 2. use the word "colored" now that the 1950s are over.

This changes as you grow older and the amount of sheltered and generally unknowing people decreases. An older person has more life experience and knows more about people from minority and more of them. At a certain point, most people stop caring and many of the people who do care do so in a more socially acceptable way (i.e. instead of asking a black man if most of his friends are black, you can get the same knowledge out of showing a genuine interest in getting to know the person and probably won't even care about the racial statistics of his friends anyways).

I don't know your situation outside of just graduating, but for me, that was the perfect time to recreate myself. I was moving to a new city where I would know approximately three people, and I had the chance to improve upon my negative qualities and get a fresh start with new people who could get to know a new me. It's not easy to reveal things about yourself that completely shift the way the people you know think about you, but when you're meeting new people, you get a chance to help create their perception of you. I think a summer program with mostly people you don't know would be pretty much the perfect opportunity to be the you who you want to be rather than the you that everybody you know thinks you are. Even if you don't do this, you can at least do yourself the favor of spending your time meeting all these new people rather than hanging out those you already know. You don't even have to come out and tell them you're gay. Leaving them to assume otherwise isn't as liberating as coming out, but at least you don't have to lie to new friends in order to shelter yourself from old ones.

I'd also talk to your friend about going with you to SF Pride. At the worst, he declines and you're back where you started. I've only ever been to STL Pride and it was only one time with all straight friends, but I didn't feel like I had to worry about being gay at all. Maybe that's me because I've almost never felt that I had to worry about being gay or maybe that's because it was STL and not SF (though I doubt it), but if there's anywhere that you don't have to worry about being gay, it's among a bunch of other gays who are celebrating being gay.
 
My condolences to those who were or knew people who were attacked in Florida last night. Although there is no known motive yet, it's almost undoubtedly a case of hate crime.

It really goes to show that even with humongous advances that they has made, the LGBTQ community has many more societal obstacles to overcome. Fight the good fight, friends.
 
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